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Not sure if zionist or a humanities professor who thinks 65,000 years (from the article) is 65 centuries.
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The great thing about areas that didn't have language, is that since there aren't any records of all the atrocities they have committed over the centuries, you know they are a peaceful people, unlike all these buttholes with a written language
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!nooticers this man must be STOPPED everyone knows natives are wholesome chungus 1000
We need trans hedgehogs! Trans hedgehogs belong here! We love trans hedgehogs!
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Those noble savages sure are better than everybody else, their version of their own history shows how peaceful they were before the white man came along.
We should totally teach their version of history. We should also teach their understanding of the world, it's white supremacy to think the world isn't flat, created by a snake god, and carried on the back of a giant turtle.
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This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life.
God I am so fricking sick of everything being bad because it could possibly be used as a pretext to do bad stuff.
We don't have to speculate about which is better. There's countless times when literate and illiterate people and whenever you have an independent way of verifying it, the literate version of history is more accurate and far more complete.
You can see this in the Middle East. When archaeologists went to some ancient ruin and asked who built it, some local person who knows the oral tradition would tell them with great confidence which famous sultan or shah of the past built it. When the archaeologists dug up these ruins and learned how to read their clay tablets and inscriptions, it turned out that the oral tradition was complete bullshit. They would find written in stone "King So-and-So built this in the year whatever." The oral traditions weren't just a little bit wrong about certain details, they were off by centuries.
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There actually is a fun/fascinating case of the oral tradition being vindicated with one of the indigenous PNW tribes - https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one covers it well.
The discovery was confirmed through cross-referencing of seismology, dendrochronology, and Japanese record-keeping of tsunamis, but had been passed down by Native Americans for a few hundred years before verification came. !historychads
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The best examples of oral traditions that worked are for inherently public events like tsunamis and astronomical phenomena where everyone saw it with their own eyes. "Who built this temple" is born propaganda and starts being manipulated within about ten minutes. One interesting example is the story about the Pleiades which features a group of seven gods where one ate one of the others and when we developed good enough telescopes we found out that in fact one of the "six" Pleiades is two stars very close to each other (from our perspective) which would have been separated thousands of years ago.
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-64606-6_11
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I fricking hate how modern (last 15 years) journ*lists write, the style is so meandering and pointless.
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I think the pretentious storytelling style of the New Yorker predates the current trend.
I kinda liked this article though.
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Yeah, it's not completely useless. But even in this case written records from Japan are part of the puzzle.
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I wasn't disagreeing with you, just figured I'd toss out a PNW fun fact in case you hadn't heard that one yet. I thought it was pretty neat.
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Everyone knows about this because according to geologists eventually it's going to happen again. There will be a massive earthquake offshore and a tsunami. So our buildings are supposed to be able to withstand the earthquake and iirc there's loudspeakers on the coast to warn of the tsunami.
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Oral tradition also helped locate a bunch of arctic wrecks from around the end of the age of sail
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Yeah I knew that the Inuit (?) stories about the wreck of the Terror amongst others ended up being true, Brits at the time thought they were lying because they didn't want to believe their navy boys
had been involved in cannibalism and broken up into different groups rather than sticking together.
Those were (largely) contemporary accounts though as opposed to oral tradition successfully passing down particular events over many generations, which was what was neat about the PNW one.
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Great example, but the best case study or oral traditions is your mom
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We must retvrn to oral tradition because global temperatures may rise by 3 degrees over a 100 years.
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!leafs My fav oral injun stories are the ones that are set way precontact with EVRO CHADs but still somehow involve horses, which were at the time extinct in north America
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The biggest bullshit peddled in leafland is "indegenous way of life" of hunting and trapping. The injuns only moved to predominantlynhunting and trapping post contact in order to trade with euros.
That lasted about 200 years so it became traditional to them but their pre contact history is completely lost. The native american exists only in the context of post white contact
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What did they do before the euros and what evidence is there that it wasn't hunting and trapping?
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They did hunt and trap but not to the same extent. They never invented the loom or agrarian society (there was limited agriculture). Post contact entire family lineages would just trap beaver to trade pelts for cowtools, clothes and weapons.
They had limited trade before the establishment of european trading posts, meeting up only a few times a year with other tribes, trading mostly similar goods.
There would be no reason for a hunter gatherer society to harvest industrial quantities of pelts, and their entire material culture changed after contact. One can only make assumptions as to their lifestyle but it likely involved less trapping and more crafting cowtools and clothes
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My favorite oral history story is point out how literally nowhere else on the planet treats them credibly for a reason, and watching them and/or activist tards seethe silently
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American natives are related genetically to Siberians and thence Asians and Europeans.
Ergo NA colonialism was just a brother war the losers are being cucked about and they should just give some top bantz back to Nige and Deano (by immigrating to bongland and drinking their whisky) before the inevitable 2065 showdown with the Jeet-Israeli axis.
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Asians yes but Europeans largely no.
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!commenters All of you are fricking illiterate or you hate journos to the point of illiteracy.
Oral in this article refers to fellatio which is obviously more important than the written word
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Have these r-slurs seriously NEVER played the telephone game? Shit man I remember playing that as a child in second grade, even then it was obvious that you'd frick up some details with only 10 re-tellings, let alone thousands.
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I AM THE JESUS CHRIST OF NOT BEING A P-DO
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/08/06/indigenous-oral-history/:
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My fav injun oral tradition involves heap big bottle of firewater, smokem peace pipe, and sloppy teepeehole jobs.
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