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If you were a believer, would you prefer a church where the preacher believes in your deity and the teachings of your holy book, or would you prefer a church where the preacher does not believe in your deity, and the teachings of the holy book are treated as secondary to the political agenda of third party groups?
The mystery of why conservative churches have better retention than liberal churches continue to perplex religious study majors.
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The idea of providing a space that encourages a close knit community and promotes moral values to all individuals seems like it could be good for increasing membership, and would be good for the community as a whole.
In the face of declining numbers of believers in supernatural deities, focusing on the actual practical function of the church in a community might be a good pivot. Then once you have more people in the door, you might get buy-in from some into the supernatural faith based elements. Those people who buy-in then end up turning to more conservative churches to explore the rest of the religion. It's still a net gain for the religion and community.
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Your logic makes sense on its face but at the end of the day the "here for the community" folks do just stop going altogether, hence why Baptists/Catholics/Pentecostals have weathered the storm thus far while the ones who dispense with taking the Bible seriously have hemorrhaged numbers with the younger generations... which was what
@Count_Sprpr was saying.
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Or get old and die without anyone from the younger generation replacing them. Like when I think of the Episcopalians I just think of old ladies in my grandparents' generation having a social get-together. The last place I'd be caught dead in.
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Statistically you're correct, which is fricking why I said "with the fricking younger generations". Average age for Episcopalians/Anglicans is fricking 56.
Regardless, it's not looking good for us projecting into the fricking near future Christbros. Pray for America.
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Who's us? If Christians are gone, you'll be dead and this silly mortal place will be of no concern to you good or bad.
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IDK if you're in the fricking pinggroup just for equal opportunity trollmaxxing purposes but it's a fricking common definition of "love" amongst all branches of Christianity to will the fricking ultimate good for others, which means to know and serve God (the only acceptable answer for the fricking purpose of life). If you don't think that matters you've fallen far away from Christ.
Also Matthew 16:18 the fricking gates of Heck shall not prevail,
@Grue.
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Grue's not trolling here. Xhe's just intellectually curious and likes debating
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I think
@Grue knows I like xem I just take a fricking consistently combative tone due to my 
which probably isn't good for convincing anyone but it's hard to moderate especially when I'm mostly active early in the fricking morning while drinking coffee. It's 6:30AM here. I sincerely doubt I'm going to influence anyone's conversion but I can at least provide an orthodox Christian take on most subjects to add to the fricking intellectual diversity of this forum. Sorry to anyone I've offended past or present or in the fricking inevitable future until I leave this website.
Most of the fricking people I talk to frequently have been subjected to this aspect of my personality as
@nuclearshill and 
@QuadNarca could likewise attest.
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Matthew 16:18
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Christianity is declining in North America and Europe, but it is rapidly growing in Africa and Asia, so much so that there are now "Reverse Missions" of African, Asian, and Latin American missionaries going in epic expeditions to convert the European heathens!
Redditor
at Brothas fighting against atheism and racism: https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1cifb9g/til_african_reverse_missionaries_are_traveling_to/
Inb4 "Christian missionaries" becomes code-word for "African immigrants"
https://www.premierchristianity.com/features/reverse-mission-why-african-evangelists-are-blessing-europe/15825.article
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2024-07/african-missionaries-contribute-much-to-church-in-europe.html
https://evangelicalfocus.com/europe/17207/the-presence-of-african-missionaries-and-churches-recognises-the-fact-that-europe-is-a-mission-field
https://qz.com/africa/1088489/africas-reverse-missionaries-are-trying-to-bring-christianity-back-to-the-united-kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_mission
!christians !catholics
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Most of the fricking parishes in the fricking USA have at least one priest from SA/Africa/the Philippines at this point and it's only gonna trend further in that direction. Westerners are too fricking financially comfortable and commitment-averse to enter the fricking priesthood these days.
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It's funny
but Nashville of all places is the only one I've seen so far that has a surplus of TN native 
priests. We actually 
have like two priests per church. Everywhere else I go to the U.S. has a priest 
from Africa 
or S Korea 
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What's with that anyway?
My grandparents' small town in Kansas has a South Korean priest lady
(Not sure what you'd call a female Methodist preacher)
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I don't disagree (although I'm pretty sure Catholics and Baptists are still declining in terms of percent of the total population), but in England especially there seems to be a movement among secular individuals where they are embracing the idea of "cultural Christianity".
Secular society has a massive void when it comes to community.
It makes sense for a branch to try to appeal to these people.
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It does. Unfortunately progs don't promote moral values or community.
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just because YOU don't believe in progressive values doesnt mean SOME OF US dont
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But nonbelievers, tend to just not go out as often. Cultural third spaces died, not because of some conspiracy but because the consumer no longer exists. Most atheists just want to stay home and watch movies, and play vidya. For many the pain of interacting with other people is what drove them to atheism.
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Yes great idea. I wonder how your theory is playing out in the real world.
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