Sabine Chudettefelder says Academia sucks and most of their research is useless :marseyscientist: :sciencejak:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LKiBlGDfRU8

So here's the link to her video. Basically she says became a physicist back in the 90s filled with idealism, says she's against female only scholarships as she got one and :marseypikachu2: her colleagues doubted her suitability due to that. Then she talks about how most of her job (and that of academic physicists in general) is limited to writing useless papers or using PhD and post Doc students to write said papers with your name in order to get more grants while being dissuaded from doing research in the fields you're interested at.

https://old.reddit.com/r/DecodingTheGurus/comments/1bx6od8/sabine_hossenfelder_my_dream_died_and_now_im_here/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Physics/comments/1bwn5vi/my_dream_died_and_now_im_here/?sort=controversial

The reddit threads :#soysnoo2:

She's already done some sketchy vids in hot topics beyond her expertise.

Her vids about Trans people for example, in which she speaks about ROGD as though it's a real medical phenomenon.

TERFdom is a massive canary in the coalmine for influencers/commentators

At this point it's a great litmus test of guru-dom, whether or not they have an strong opinion on trans issues. It's like a pound shop version of the gurometer.

:#marseytransattentionseeker:

I predict that in the future she will 1.Talk worse about academia and academics 2.Talk more about american politics (fox news stuff) 3.At some point she will start simping for some capitalist

:#marseypearlclutch: :#soycry:

Sabine rapidly descending down the grifter pipeline

:#marseyagreefast:

As long as she's talking about real science and doing it accurately, how is she a grifter? Because she accepts money from sponsors?

Aye, this one not so much! More the ones where she talks about… capitalism? And other topics she doesn't have expertise in

Yeah the capitalism video was quite stupid

:#soyreddit: :#marseycomradecry:

!anticommunists !neolibs

Bonus on her capitalism video

https://old.reddit.com/r/DecodingTheGurus/comments/17tugi5/sabine_hossenfelders_weird_capitalismposting/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/BreadTube/comments/16pdxot/sabine_is_wrong_again_capitalism_wouldve_killed/?sort=controversial

Breadtubers DEBOOOONKING :#soyjakfat:

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For anyone wondering who she is:

Hossenfelder remained in Germany until 2004 as a postdoctoral researcher at the GSI Helmholtz Centre for Heavy Ion Research in Darmstadt. She was subsequently employed as a postdoctoral research fellow at the University of Arizona, Tucson, University of California, Santa Barbara, and later at the Perimeter Institute in Waterloo, Canada. In 2009, she became an assistant professor at the Nordic Institute for Theoretical Physics in Sweden. Between 2015 and 2023, she was employed at the Frankfurt Institute for Advanced Studies, followed by a post at Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich's Center for Mathematical Philosophy.

This is who wokies think isn't qualified to talk about capitalism

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Yes? STEM autists, ESPECIALLY physicists are not qualified to talk about ANYthing except their very very narrow field of expertise. Wake up to the STEM menace!!

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Maybe I should've emphasised the breadtube part more. This is a community of college dropouts who've positioned themselves as authorities on every tenet of our economy/society....... Sabine says something they don't like and suddenly they're very concerned about credentials and official expertise. It's farcical. As an isolated statement what you're saying makes sense, but coming from them it's a punchline.

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You would have a point if she wasn't a STEMlord they cannot be trusted it is better to be a social science dropout than a physicist.

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STEMlord supremacy is coming.

You will not be spared

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I AM a STEMlord that's why I'm warning you I have inside information

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Tbf, its not that farfetched to be a top notch physicist and know nothing about economics and sociology.

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Obviously redditors know more

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it's pretty farfetched to be a breadtuber and know anything about anything.

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I never said breadtubers knew anything about anything. The only thing theyre good for is getting converted to biofuel.

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They know how to use garish lifx lighting and make 3 hour videos about problematic YA novels

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Yeah but (with the exception of contra) breadtube is people with no expertise opining on topics they have no experience in

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Dumb it down even more because I don't even know what you're talking about or who this person is.

Like one sentence, a dozen words max. Please and thank you.

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She's a random physicist who realized it's much easier to get clout with "everyone else is wrong about everything" contrarianism than making it in academia.

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i don't think she's a contrarian. i like her videos a lot, she never sneers or gets smug, she's willing to evaluate new ideas with an open mind and doesn't seem to be afraid of getting ridiculed for it...but a lot of the time she decides the new ideas don't have a lot of evidence for them anyway.

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she never sneers or gets smug

???????? Are you r-slurred, smug sneering is literally her entire persona

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Thank you, Borpa-san.

I still don't understand, but thank you.

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Wh*te woman bad.

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This is 100% real tho its why every grad just jumps into corporate or government contract work. Turns out researchers would rather do something productive even if its making raytheon missiles 10% more deadly over pooping out 20 papers a year half of which are slight rewrites of last years papers.

Im just counting the days i can be done with my hellish masters and just do contract sequencing all day for a lab. Or if that fails work at Starbucks until the state government needs a new water tester. And i have the benefit of being a biologist so its way easier to get funding by just tying everything to cancer or alzheimers can't imagine how bad it is for physics.

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Is Replication Crisis brought during your lab workshops? :marseyschizowall: !nooticers

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Yeah ive had to go to so many semniars about falsified data, replication, and open science

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I've been to my bio friend's courses a few times for fun, it's all they talk about on the first day.

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The goal of chemistry PhD is always industry job, not being stuck in academia lmao.

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:marseyagree: I didn't go that far as to get a phD but I did do my projects on polymorphism pharmokinetics. That shit keeps you up at night lol :marseychemist:

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fr tho, my sister is getting the equivalent of a phd for her speciality and the r-slurs she has to work with is insane. They treat her like dogshit.


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Its why Im noping out right after masters. I feel like ive already learned everything useful in a year so I just need to spend the last year stressing out over thinking of 3 original projects a semester and hoping the TAs dont wake up on the wrong side of the bed and decide to grade strictly randomly. When ive worked in a lab its so much more fun and supportive and it turns out when you dont know shit you can just ask someone or look it up rather then failing lol. You also have the time and resources and support to actually do a project rather then being told "uh do a project on anything bio related for this class and I cant help you because that would be unfair" and I have to slap together something original from public tools and data. Its also way easier to manage group work when everyone is given a set time and space to work every day rather then having to wrangle people after class.

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Yeah the shit puts up with is crazy. Her lab partner takes credit for her work and the prof is a total butthole.

I tease her about it but it's wild too that she'll make less than me when she graduates- I only have computer autism and an HS degree :marseyneko: :marseydoctorpat:


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If I wanted money id be a doctor or grind out fast food wagism when I turned 18 to be a regional manager. I'm fine making 50k-60k starting out as a researcher still that makes it not worth it for me to take out for debt for a 2-4 year PHD when PHDs only get you more pay once you enter senior positions.

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Yeah that's my understanding too, a PhD only gets a pay bump at very high levels. Makes sense for intense engineering fields (semiconductors comes to mind) but a hard sell for most ventures.


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Not true, physicists love their research. The reason they go private is because there are no academic jobs.

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Yeah we love research not being forced to shit out 20 papers on nothing a year to get funding. Academic jobs suck and force you to do teaching, mentor students, and basically fund yourself via grants while in a private job you can just do research.

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Private jobs have other bullshit to deal with too and less freedom. The bottleneck in physics academia is definitely not the amount of people willing to go into physics academia.

And physics grad students are not "counting the days until they can get out".

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Well im speaking from a bio perspective and yeah private jobs have less freedom but do does starting out in academia where you need someone to co author all your shit so they actually get funding. To me id always take less freedom over more pay and a more focused environment.

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you could be my boywife instead


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I would 100% agree to be someone's live in cat maid wife (male) if I had food and board (just give me time to learn cooking)

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Which datacenters does one have to explode? What neighborhoods need to burn?

WHO IN THE FRICK DO I HAVE TO END IN ORDER TO ESCAPE :marseyaaajumpscare: TRANS :marseytrain2: BULLSHIT?

Show me the Goliath that needs :marseyspecial: felled.

And you, OP..

There's 8 billion "people" on this stupid :marseysexy: frickin' rock, with all sorts of complexities and real-time madness. The possibilities are nearly infinite. And you can't find anything :marseycoleporter: better :marseygenetakovic: than yet more Trans :marseypennymisia: controversy.

Sad.

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Trains are creating this drama

You're yelling at clouds

:#marseyeyeroll:

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Of course. That's where :marseydrama: God lives.

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You can't even escape it IRL, go to breakfast on the weekend and some boomer relative is ranting about drag time story hour, one guy I was around seethed at :!marseytrain:s three times in one week (literally obsessed :marseytransrentfree: ).

Yet over half of :!marseytrain:s are literal shut in NEETs piddling around watching videos on their phone and playing minecraft all day. It's crazy to think everyone is just so obsessed with them.

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No, because it's Sunday and I'm lazy today :#marseyantiwork:

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I will answer :marseyconfuseddead: my own question.

Harakiri is must be then.

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She's already done some sketchy vids in hot topics beyond her expertise.

Her vids about Trans people for example, in which she speaks about ROGD as though it's a real medical phenomenon.

What does it take to be a trans expert? I got my trans degree by spending a year on the rDrama trans forum. I'd consider myself an expert now.

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They say this but then are fwinye with randwom gwoomers giving kids bathtub hwormwonyes

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>ROGD isn't real chud! we need to normalise being trans and let them tell their stories!

>we have to be careful when talking about suicide because it could encourage people to kill themselves!

>we need models with normal weight because skinny ones might encourage eating disorders!

NO I DON'T SEE THE CONTRADICTION YOU BIGOT

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This argument won't work because suicide and eating disorders are considered bad, especially by breadtube fans.

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Then she talks about how most of her job (and that of academic physicists in general) is limited to writing useless papers

Skill issue

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Elaborate

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There's nothing to elaborate, I just wanted to dunk on her.

Having said that, I've never heard any of the PhDs I know complain of this. There are many other things they complain about in the academic sphere, but the fact that you can do research in the field that interests you for a living is always presented as a positive, even if you do occasionally have to publish a lower quality paper to meet a quota. I don't think I've ever encountered a case where the author himself thinks that the work he is publishing is useless (though useless papers by themselves absolutely exist, I've encountered them first hand). From this I'm wondering if maybe that's just a "her" issue that she's projecting onto a wider group.

Though I am biased against this woman as I dislike her and her videos

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Though I am biased against this woman as I dislike her and her videos

What don't you like about her and her videos?

Nothing against your opinion (I'm not even subscribed to her channel just follow the drama lol), I just love trash talking about others :marseytroublemaker:

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I never followed her either so it's hard for me to tell, I just watched some of her videos back when I was in undergrad I think and I didn't really like her character or attitude, I got the feeling that it's another one of those popsci shows where the host is extremely smug and is just this short :marseythissmall: of calling you an r-slur to your face for not knowing the topic of the video you chose to learn about.

Then at some point I watched some other video of hers which I felt was either outright wrong or really misrepresented the topic (keep in mind that I was still in undergrad by that point so she very well could've been correct and it was me who's r-slurred. I'm just explaining where the negative perception came from.)

A more legitimate criticism that I've developed more recently of her however was when I noticed that she started putting out seemingly unrelated videos on viral topics like weed, :!marseytrain:s, dopamine addiction, climate change etc. I don't really think that she's particularly qualified to speak on these things, and as such it kind of felt like some of her videos are just trend chasing for views, and at that point it kind of put into question other videos of hers that seem to be grand or sensationalist, like the one you posted- is she saying these things because she genuinely believes them or because she wants to drive engagement? Is she being sincere or overblowing things?

Now a very simple solution to this that I'm sure anyone will propose to me is to just watch some of those videos and perhaps formulate a more in-depth opinion on them. My answer to that is that I already deal with enough academic papers and poorly made graphs at work so I really can't muster the strength to do that in my free time lol.

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She is smug but not because she thinks people are r-slurs, but because the eggheads are r-slurs that lie and misinterpret data in their papers.

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All those words won't bring daddy back.

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Bro everybody knows that Academia is a waste of time unless you have a trust fund. But if you do it's one of the best things you can do with your life.

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Sabine is based in a lot of ways.

She's kinda silly because she believes in Superdeterminism (along with 't Hooft) the only way to weasel determinism into compatibility with Bell's theorem--but at least she thinks for herself and calls a lot of twitter "science" out.

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