Short answer: no
Long answer: noooooooooo
Detailed explanation: No, because definitely not.
If they think it's unfeasible (we don't have the tech currently to do it on a large scale) they should at least explain their reasons
No. It's mostly smoke and mirrors. Why are fossil fuel companies so interested in this technology? They use the captured CO2 to extract additional oil from wells. It's just another distraction to avoid the elephant in the room and continue business as usual.
The answer is No
This user is surely negative
https://old.reddit.com/user/greenman5252/
I'm a chemist working on the (electro)conversion of CO2 into economically valuable products. In my opinion, making this process profitable would be the only way to convince big companies to significantly invest in the process. I can tell you that we are far from making the process economically viable
Edit: to clarify, I'm not defending that we should prioritize the economy. I'm saying that that's what policy makers/ big companies prioritize, so it won't happen until the process is profitable, which is far from now. We thus rely on different approaches to mitigate climate change
A sensible comment
Bonus on doomering about millions dying in India during heat waves just a few years from now
We are going to have a heat wave combined with power failure that kills millions by the end of the decade.
You get a wet bulb temp weather system that settles over a city for a couple days, and the power system goes down.
The opening chapter of the novel "The Ministry for the Future" is a description of just this scenario, and it is hands down one of the most horrifying things I have ever read.
Yup that chapter was sickeningly realistic
The heat wave deaths are then followed by a massive pandemic as millions of corpses liquefy in the heat. The whole city would be a biohazard for a long time
I just started this book yesterday and this post made me do a double take. I had a moment of like, “wait…that's too real”
!bookworms JUST LIKE KSR THE MINISTRY FOR THE FUTURE!
Rip @Sasanka_of_Gauda @ABC and other sexy Indian dudes
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https://www.americanpurpose.com/blog/fukuyama/were-cooked/
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I just read the article
LMAO! Peak reddit book!
!bookworms !neolibs @johannesalthusius
Five million chinks will march to make the CCP stop their emissions
Again with the r-slurred cute twink dirigible and sailboat idea. No one is going to travel by those again unless we completely ran out of fossil fuels.
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The last few chapters of the book are our protagonists flying in a dirigible, marveling about the beauty of our low carbon future
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Dirigibles might be a good idea to transport cargo by air but there are downsides. Ignoring the whole hydrogen or helium debate (helium is scarce and typically collected from natural gas deposits so is not carbon free, therefore filling them with hydrogen is the greener option), they are vulnerable to bad weather.
But still, aviation accounts for 2.5% of greenhouse gases emissions so the idea is extremely r-slurred. We'll ban cars that run on gas long before even considering banning airplanes.
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Heck of a necro you've got there.
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Sheer disgust at this shit would drive any man to necromancy, honestly.
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Direct air carbon capture is stupid because... why? Who's going up pay for that? It's staggeringly inefficient.
It's a dumb pretend scifi magic that they can use as an excuse to keep burning coal.
If you don't understand why it's stupid, pour a can of coke into your bathtub full of water and then figure out how to get the soda back out.
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Boil it. The water will evaporate, leaving just soda syrup.
Next question.
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and codeceling is supposed to be STEM lol
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This is brilliant. You should present to the IPCC.
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Capture is the easy part (plants do it), storage is the hard part.
So you capture a bunch of CO2, put it into a tank. Then what? Convert it? Think of any form of carbon you find in nature, aside from diamond/graphite practically every other carbon form is unstable in the environment and gets converted back to CO2 eventually.
So regardless of capture method, you have to store it geologically, a mile deep under continental mountains for example. Super expensive.
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Most carbon capture is done by planlton in the ocean. If they really cared about reducing carbon in the atmospherr, the focus would be on ocean polution and reigning in commercial fishing(particularly from China) rather than telling me what kinda car I should drive. If they just got rid of cruise ships it would have a massive positive effect on the environment and our future outlook.
they emit far more carbon than cars
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday-edition-1.4277147/a-cruise-ship-s-emissions-are-the-same-as-1-million-cars-report-1.4277180
https://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-ship-air-pollution-carnival-cars-europe-study-2023-6
they also frick up the coral reefs when the go to tropical locations.
edit: they also use "heavy-fuel" aka "bunker-fuel" which is banned in most cpuntry's waters. They use a different engine often times when in the ports and until theyre in international waters to stay within the laws.
https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/cruise-ships-air-pollution-dirty-fuel-heavy-oil-europe-ports-nabu-a8502771.html
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Only poors like cruise ships. Doesn't this directly contradict the idea that the elites prioritize their own hobbies and punish the plebs?
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i mean those giant yatchs that they like are basically cruise ships with less people on them. The biggest issue by far though is commercial fishing. Since the 70s weve lost over 50% of all marine species
https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/17/world/oceans-report/index.html
This is causing a trophic cascade and plankton in particular is disappearing. Plankton converts carbon into oxygen and oxygenates the ocean waters. Bc of the loss of plankton there's parts of rhe ocean where practically no life can exist bc there isnt enough oxygen. These are called deadzones and there is a massive one in the gulf of mexico
https://coastalscience.noaa.gov/news/gulf-mexico-dead-zone-largest-ever-measured/
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They should start issuing letters of marque to sink illegal Chinese fishing boats. Make piracy great again.
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Fr! Bring back privateering!!
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Imagine the absolute Kino that would result with all the GoPro footage of Saltlife bros gunning down Chinese dragnet fishermen with a Florida Georgia Line soundtrack
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Absolutely certified Keyed as frick
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Private the coast guard.
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The problem with climate change is the "elites" include most of the first world. Reducing emissions requires making the majority of Americans voters materially poorer. You know, the ones pooping their pants over 3% inflation
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Post Covid economic discourse has been a trip.
It turns out that the “lmao, who cares if you pay a little more for a burger if the burger flipper can get a fair wage” crowd is made up of exactly the kind of people that cared that they had to pay more for a burger when the burger flipper got paid more.
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I agree that "elite" consumption in the world is driven by the developed world's middle class, but what you're saying has been historically untrue in the sense that the US has lowered its carbon output (even accounting for trade) while growing its economy.
You could argue that we've exhausted those sorts of gains, but that doesn't seem true yet.
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Eggs are like 15 dollars a dozen so it seems a bit higher than 3%
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Eggs specifically are expensive due to bird flu. Overall inflation is ~3%
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Hey screw you, cruise ships are awesome. Surrounded by blue water, catching some rays and reading a book
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!slots2600
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Check the thin badge
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Skinny-fat is still fat, you fat
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Cruise ships are for trashy people and boomers to get drunk and catch norovirus
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Imagine using cruise ships as forward operating bases for privateering groups.
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Right, algae/bamboo/etc can remove a laege amount of carbon from the air in a short time.
No fancy pants equipment needed
That biomass needs to be sequestered.
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i saw cody's lab on youtube make an algae generating machine, and then he turned the algae into black oil and burned it
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Aren't they making concrete with captured CO2? Seems like grift but at least it's something
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Concrete is made up of non-organic matter, silicon, aluminum, etc. Concrete is just a means of trapping carbon.
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You turn them into diamonds and sell that to fund the whole venture. Ez
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manufactured diamonds arent really worth much lol
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They're THE SAME FRICKING THING AS NATURAL ONES FFS
Any distinction is only foids insisting that their wedding rings are a product of child slave labor
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reasonable demand, tbh
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I'm not even necessarily opposed to it, just don't fricking sugarcoat it
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Can't you convert atmospheric carbon into concrete mixtures? You could literally pave roads and build stuff with it
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Toss it in the ocean.
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Behold the diamond reef
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It just makes no sense to do carbon capture coal plants when you can build CANDU reactors or whatever
But development of the technology may lead to some breakthroughs.
These are the same soys who sneed uncontrollably when terraforming is brought up.
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more like cantdu lmao
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Dude deuterium lmao
They are arguably Canada's most significant industrial contribution in decades howeverbeit; nuclear power without proliferation concerns
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Officer he Candu nothin'
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I CAND BREEDer reactor
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If governments were taxing me for putting soda in the bathtub, I'd probably find a solution
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You might find it's much easier to not dump the can in the first place.
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Bomb the can factory to prevent any wrongchoice
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Going full Ted Kaczynski
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niggess you already used a little magic box that thinks a million times faster than you to communicate with a bunch of r-slurs across the world.
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Yes BUT, there's still one thing my cell phone can't do:
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Everything is doable if power is cheap.
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We just need to solve fusion so we can use infinite free energy to keep burning oil and recapturing the CO2.
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Well in theory we would at that point no longer be burning so many fossil fuels and the costs of extracting carbon would be lower than those of mitigating global warming impacts, but we don't get there without economic output hence the need to keep using fossil fuels in the interim
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Every summer there's ridiculous amounts of excess solar energy.
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Batteries!
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methane is kind of like a battery too, if you used electricity to generate it from exhaust CO2.
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Might it have some more interest if you put it right at the carbon output? i.e. at the chimney of a coal plant or whatever. At this point, the air has a higher concentration of CO2.
There's still the storage part to take into account at the end.
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True. That's why I said direct air capture. Putting a capture device on the smokestacks of, like, a steel plant or something is a lot less stupid.
It still probably makes no sense economically and they'll only do it if regulators mandate it, but at least you're not picking a fight directly with entropy itself.
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We're going to compress all the carbons down into a liquid resin and make warhammer armies out of them
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Use a dropper thing to pick up one drop of coke at a time and make sure to ignore all the water droplets
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Gas chromatography ya slow butt bish
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The machines cost as much as a small house and are the size of a large desktop PC, but yes,
I had (theoretical) access to one until recently due to policy changes
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Shouldn't have been generating so much chromatography porn.
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If that were somehow possible I would have done it
It's just general budget cuts further restricting it to specific lab personnel.
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argument from ignorance.
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There have been so many of these doomsday predictions made over the past few decades. Funny how they're always forgotten about when they make new ones.
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Krugman's still employed, after all.
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Bookcels is this one slop
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!bookworms thoughts?
Worth mentioning KSR is a socialist (DSA member and donor lol)
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The first chapter described by the redditors is by far the most entertaining part of the book. It's actually a total tease.
The book then turns into a total boor. Multiple characters exist only to explain KSRs blog posts.
Our white guilt euro-moid protagonist is the most pathetic thing in literary history
Some of KSRs blog posts are vaguely interesting, but nothing worth reading this book over.
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Could you elaborate on that one? I love mean reviews
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Well I was exaggerating a bit, but he's really quite a loser.
He's so traumatized by the evils of fossil fuels after surviving the initial chapter of the book, that he decides to become an eco-facist terrorist.
After failing at that and getting released from jail, he dedicates the rest of his life to helping refugees.
It's just dumb. They could have cut his character out of the book and nothing would of changed.
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Sounds p keyed
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LMAO, I haven't re-evaluated a sci-fi author this fast since I saw James Morrow write a fever-dream book about how Trump turns America into a fascist hellscape (I wish!).
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They hate carbon capture because it curbs carbon emissions.
Without carbon emissions they can't make regulations against carbon.
Can you imagine what that would do to the silicon valley tech bro green energy lobby? Those poor billionaires would starve!
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They're not fond of anything that isn't communism.
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The only activist-acceptable solutions to climate change always just so happen to have 90% overlap with communism. Really makes you think.
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But... the "different approaches" that are typically presented also aren't profitable.
I'm all for pushing for more efficiency machinery and appliances, and I think there's plenty of room to grow in that direction. But trying to get the public to willingly go along with regressing their quality of life in the name of climate change is like pushing abstinence education on a bunch of teenagers. It's straight up not going to work. IMO the only realistic way "out of" the current situation is more technology/R&D, not austerity.
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It's important to admit there is not going to be any “degrowth”, the public wants to tackle climate change but they're not willing to do so if it leads to a decline in their lifestyles.
Reducing emissions by replacing coal, oil and gas with renewables is the most important part but carbon capturing and geoengineering research must also be kept on the table
!engineering
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Just build nuclear. Seriously.
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I love nuclear power, I live next to the 2nd largest Hydropower dam in the world (Itaipu) but I wished Brazil built more nuclear power plants instead of that new Xingu dam in the Amazon.
Meanwhile Angra 3 reactor construction has been a clusterfrick due to mismanagement and corruption
!macacos
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The new generation of rebreeder reactors are supposed to be really good, and (supposedly) physically incapable of meltdown. People are weirdly skittish about nuclear power but happy with all kinds of other dangerous shit.
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The public also lacks awareness with respect to reactor design. The RMBK in Chernobyl are not comparable to any reactor in the US or Brazil. For instance, a commercial plane could crash against a contention building and the reactor inside wouldn't suffer a scratch
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I always see this sort of fact posted but I have a hard time actually believing it.
Not anti-nuclear but I feel like it's a bit too enthusiastic.
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It has to do with concrete rather than the reactor itself. The walls of the containment building are typically 1.5 meters thick, thats A LOT of reinforced concrete.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306454904002130
https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/crashed-jet-nuclear-reactor-test
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It works both ways too; keeps terrorists out and steam leaks in.
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Planes are hollow aluminum tubes designed to be as light as possible. They're not bunker buster munitions
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Depends if your mom's on it
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The tragedy with nuclear power is that it is rather expensive and potentially "inefficient" (in dollar terms) currently, but that's largely because we more or less eliminated R&D towards better nuclear reactors decades ago. If we had kept up research, we'd probably have very safe and even cost-effective reactor designs today. But there's so much red tape (here in the US) around them that it's virtually impossible to get them up and running. Regulations have effectively banned the construction of new reactors.
Solar and wind power are cool and I think they're actually excellent in situations where you need a (relatively) small amount of power generated far away from an electric grid, but just realistically they will never replace "baseline" power generation. We straight up don't have the energy storage technology to make a system built on these transient power sources work if they happen to go out for any lengthy amount of time. Sometimes you can go a week or even more without any significant sunshine.
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Pumped hydro is a great solution in mountainous areas for storing renewables.
Sadly, we as a country have decided to never build hydro again despite it being an incredible power source with benefits to agriculture as well
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You're right that pumped hydro is the best storage method we currently have for bulk energy storage. Far more efficient and feasible than any kind of chemical battery (and arguably simpler too).
But how large would a pumped hydro station have to be to store, for example, enough electricity to power Seattle for a whole week? Because they regularly have over a week with little sun exposure up there. I figure switching to an entirely-renewable power production grid would require as much if not more development of energy storage systems than energy generation systems, and it seems like an issue that pro-renewables people always gloss over since it's just not something you really have to worry about when renewables are only providing a small fraction of the total electricity.
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Seattle would be easy. There's huge steep mountains 30 miles east, and a number of rivers and valleys that have heavy logging activity where massive hydro projects could be built with fairly minimal environment impact. Arguably, it would be good for the ecosystem as unpredictable snowpacks have serious impacts on river health late summer and fall.
Additionally, there's big wind and solar developments barely 100 miles away in the sunny and windy Columbia plateau region with long distance transmission lines already in place running east-west and north-south.
Of course, it will never be built because the same NIMBYs who drive Teslas past the homeless camps they vote to give free drugs to would protest furiously about anything that would create energy
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live neoconshill doxx
Eu sou super a favor de energia nuclear
Best case scenario Energia abundante e barata
Worst case scenario holocausto nuclear no Brasil
win-win
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Que legal
And Argentina?
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3 reactors, they also have a nuclear research facility in Bariloche. Fun fact, the airbnb apartment I stayed there was owned by an old lady who was a widow of a physicist who worked there, they moved in the 1960s, I bet she had some cool stories. Back in the 50s Perón built a fusion research facility led by a crackpot Austrian physicist named Ronald Richter, and it turned out to be a grift (he said they had achieved Fusion lmao).
!historychads
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Full of BIPOCs last I checked
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Já virou conhecimento geral que moro no oeste do Paraná
Precisamos de
Usinas em SP, RJ, Brasilia (8 reatores no DF), Recife, Salvador, Maceio, Fortaleza e Manaus. Bem pertinho dos centros metropolitanos
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I also wish to die of radiation poisoning
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Only kitties die and don't gain superpowers
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Build the Usina Nuclear Roberto Requião in Curitiba. 4 reactors
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I will personally cause it to meltdown and destroy the whole city
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Roberto Requião, Beto Richa, Alvaro Dias
Between these guys pick which would you “kill, marry, frick”
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Kill Requião (as any good Curitibano I hate him with all my heart)
Marry Richa (I'm fairly sure he's the richest)
Frick Dias (he's a notorious crossdresser)
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Yes build nuclear powerplants so that mossad can sabotage them and cause nuclear meltdowns
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Protip: don't be Iranian
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A usina nuclear de Angra dos Reis esta localizada no estado do Rio de Janeiro, estado que é lar da segunda maior população judaica do Brasil e diferentemente de Chernobyl os reatores Angra 1 e 2 ficam dentro de magnificos prédios de contenção feitos de concreto reforçado da melhor qualidade.
Não me preocupo
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That sounds like a reason to destroy Israel not to stop using nuclear
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The frick is Mossad going to sabotage Brazil for?
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Fun
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Nuclear is literally ancient, outdated tech at this point. 20-30 years ago you might have had a point.
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Base load renewables literally don't exist, except for nuclear. And don't come at me with "just don't use any electricity at night"
It's only "outdated" because we stopped researching it
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Well duh, that's what I said
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So... start looking into it again maybe? If climate change is the absolute number one "we're all going to die next year if we don't fix this" priority, it would make sense to explore a seemingly viable option.
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It makes no sense to put resources into bringing ancient tech up to speed if you can use those resources instead on modern technology.
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Can you name a modern renewable technology that can fill the need for constant base electricity capacity, especially at massive (gigawatt) scales? There's geothermal I guess, but it isn't exactly at the forefront either. The options for this are coal, gas, or nuclear.
Also, "ancient"? In terms of electricity generation modes it was discovered yesterday.
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We didn't stop researching. There are at least a dozen new reactor designs that have been created in the past 2 decades. There's just been no one putting up the money to build them.
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Have any of them been NRC-approved tho (besides the AP1000 and BWR-whatever which are just incremental to last gen)
(all my homies hate the NRC)
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Not a clue. I think the Pebble Bed looks like a neat design though.
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This is the most intelligent and sensible thing you've ever posted on this website.
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This is the most intelligent thing anyone has ever said.
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You alright, BB, you alright.
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I'm doing great man, how about you?
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The main problem (I am a huge nuclear power sperg) is that I wouldn't trust the current generation of burger engineers (the most diverse in history) to build them. We'd have to hire french or koreans (or get the navy to civilianize their propulsion reactor production), and we'd have to kneecap the NRC and "environmental" lobby so they couldn't delay it at every conceivable stage of the process.
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The power of solar and wind shouldn't be underestimated but literally why can't we just build the stuff that makes ludicrous amounts of energy with no greenhouse gas effects?
Remind me again why environmentalists dislike nuclear? Is it just wingcuckery or do they really have an image of nuclear waste being these big yellow barrels that leak glowing green fluid?
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It's mostly this. And Chernobyl really scared the shit out of everyone, even though it was a product of soviet echo chamber engineering and its meltdown scenario isn't physically possible in western reactors.
Widespread nuclear power would /solve the problem/ (without requiring "degrowth"/civilizational suicide), which would force them to find something /else/ to complain about and form a death cult around.
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Probably more wingcuckery at this point. Most criticisms I see of nuclear that aren't entirely about cost effectiveness, end up including some bullshit about hating "magic bullets" for climate change other than societal reorganization under x wingcuck idea.
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That's kinda what I meant; if we solve the problem with nuclear power there's no longer anything for them to form a wingcuck death or communism cult around. It is absolutely ludicrous that nuclear power became rightwing-coded, yet here we are.
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Greenpeace was run by useful idiots under control of the KGB.
For once, the Fr*nch did something right when they bombed the Rainbow Warrior.
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Leave it up to the Frogs to do the wrong thing except when they do something impossibly based
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