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r/climatechange is not fond of carbon capturing :soysnooseethe: :soyjaktantrumfast:

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/1csszro/will_sucking_carbon_from_air_ever_really_help/

								

								

Short answer: no

Long answer: noooooooooo

Detailed explanation: No, because definitely not.

If they think it's unfeasible (we don't have the tech currently to do it on a large scale) they should at least explain their reasons

No. It's mostly smoke and mirrors. Why are fossil fuel companies so interested in this technology? They use the captured CO2 to extract additional oil from wells. It's just another distraction to avoid the elephant in the room and continue business as usual.

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The answer is No

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This user is surely negative

https://old.reddit.com/user/greenman5252/

>comments in /r/adulting, collapse, WDP, :marseyreading:

I'm a chemist working on the (electro)conversion of CO2 into economically valuable products. In my opinion, making this process profitable would be the only way to convince big companies to significantly invest in the process. I can tell you that we are far from making the process economically viable

Edit: to clarify, I'm not defending that we should prioritize the economy. I'm saying that that's what policy makers/ big companies prioritize, so it won't happen until the process is profitable, which is far from now. We thus rely on different approaches to mitigate climate change

A sensible comment

Bonus on doomering about millions dying in India during heat waves just a few years from now

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/1ct9dhj/fatal_heat_waves_are_testing_indias_ability_to/

We are going to have a heat wave combined with power failure that kills millions by the end of the decade.

You get a wet bulb temp weather system that settles over a city for a couple days, and the power system goes down.

The opening chapter of the novel "The Ministry for the Future" is a description of just this scenario, and it is hands down one of the most horrifying things I have ever read.

Yup that chapter was sickeningly realistic

The heat wave deaths are then followed by a massive pandemic as millions of corpses liquefy in the heat. The whole city would be a biohazard for a long time

I just started this book yesterday and this post made me do a double take. I had a moment of like, “wait…that's too real”

!bookworms JUST LIKE KSR THE MINISTRY FOR THE FUTURE! :#soysnoo4: :#soysnoo4: :#soysnoo4:

Rip @Sasanka_of_Gauda @ABC and other sexy Indian dudes :#marseypajeetitsover: :#marseychudindian:

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Direct air carbon capture is stupid because... why? Who's going up pay for that? It's staggeringly inefficient.

It's a dumb pretend scifi magic that they can use as an excuse to keep burning coal.

If you don't understand why it's stupid, pour a can of coke into your bathtub full of water and then figure out how to get the soda back out.

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Capture is the easy part (plants do it), storage is the hard part.

So you capture a bunch of CO2, put it into a tank. Then what? Convert it? Think of any form of carbon you find in nature, aside from diamond/graphite practically every other carbon form is unstable in the environment and gets converted back to CO2 eventually.

So regardless of capture method, you have to store it geologically, a mile deep under continental mountains for example. Super expensive.

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Most carbon capture is done by planlton in the ocean. If they really cared about reducing carbon in the atmospherr, the focus would be on ocean polution and reigning in commercial fishing(particularly from China) rather than telling me what kinda car I should drive. If they just got rid of cruise ships it would have a massive positive effect on the environment and our future outlook.

they emit far more carbon than cars

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday-edition-1.4277147/a-cruise-ship-s-emissions-are-the-same-as-1-million-cars-report-1.4277180

https://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-ship-air-pollution-carnival-cars-europe-study-2023-6

they also frick up the coral reefs when the go to tropical locations.

edit: they also use "heavy-fuel" aka "bunker-fuel" which is banned in most cpuntry's waters. They use a different engine often times when in the ports and until theyre in international waters to stay within the laws.

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/cruise-ships-air-pollution-dirty-fuel-heavy-oil-europe-ports-nabu-a8502771.html

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Only poors like cruise ships. Doesn't this directly contradict the idea that the elites prioritize their own hobbies and punish the plebs?

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Hey screw you, cruise ships are awesome. Surrounded by blue water, catching some rays and reading a book

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Check the thin badge

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Skinny-fat is still fat, you fat

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Cruise ships are for trashy people and boomers to get drunk and catch norovirus

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Imagine using cruise ships as forward operating bases for privateering groups.

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i mean those giant yatchs that they like are basically cruise ships with less people on them. The biggest issue by far though is commercial fishing. Since the 70s weve lost over 50% of all marine species

https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/17/world/oceans-report/index.html

This is causing a trophic cascade and plankton in particular is disappearing. Plankton converts carbon into oxygen and oxygenates the ocean waters. Bc of the loss of plankton there's parts of rhe ocean where practically no life can exist bc there isnt enough oxygen. These are called deadzones and there is a massive one in the gulf of mexico

https://coastalscience.noaa.gov/news/gulf-mexico-dead-zone-largest-ever-measured/

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They should start issuing letters of marque to sink illegal Chinese fishing boats. Make piracy great again.

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Fr! Bring back privateering!!

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Imagine the absolute Kino that would result with all the GoPro footage of Saltlife bros gunning down Chinese dragnet fishermen with a Florida Georgia Line soundtrack

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Absolutely certified Keyed as frick

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Private the coast :marsey2pac: guard.

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The problem with climate change is the "elites" include most of the first world. Reducing emissions requires making the majority of Americans voters materially poorer. You know, the ones pooping their pants over 3% inflation

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Post Covid economic discourse has been a trip.

It turns out that the “lmao, who cares if you pay a little more for a burger if the burger flipper can get a fair wage” crowd is made up of exactly the kind of people that cared that they had to pay more for a burger when the burger flipper got paid more.

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Reducing emissions requires making the majority of Americans voters materially poorer

I agree that "elite" consumption in the world is driven by the developed world's middle class, but what you're saying has been historically untrue in the sense that the US has lowered its carbon output (even accounting for trade) while growing its economy.

You could argue that we've exhausted those sorts of gains, but that doesn't seem true yet.

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Eggs are like 15 dollars a dozen so it seems a bit higher than 3%

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Eggs specifically are expensive due to bird flu. Overall inflation is ~3%

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Right, algae/bamboo/etc can remove a laege amount of carbon from the air in a short time.

No fancy pants equipment needed

That biomass needs to be sequestered.

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i saw cody's lab on youtube make an algae generating machine, and then he turned the algae into black oil and burned it

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:#marseywholesome:

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Aren't they making concrete with captured CO2? Seems like grift but at least it's something

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Concrete is made up of non-organic matter, silicon, aluminum, etc. Concrete is just a means of trapping carbon.

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You turn them into diamonds and sell that to fund the whole venture. Ez

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manufactured diamonds arent really worth much lol

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They're THE SAME FRICKING THING AS NATURAL ONES FFS

Any distinction is only foids insisting that their wedding rings are a product of child slave labor

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reasonable demand, tbh

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I'm not even necessarily opposed to it, just don't fricking sugarcoat it

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Can't you convert atmospheric carbon into concrete mixtures? You could literally pave roads and build stuff with it

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>then what?

Toss it in the ocean.

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Behold the diamond :marseycrystal: reef

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then figure out how to get the soda back out

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Boil it. The water will evaporate, leaving just soda syrup.

Next question.

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and codeceling is supposed to be STEM lol

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:marseyclappingglasses: This is brilliant. You should present to the IPCC.

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It just makes no sense to do carbon capture coal plants when you can build CANDU reactors or whatever

But development of the technology may lead to some breakthroughs.

These are the same soys who sneed uncontrollably when terraforming is brought up.

"THE HUBRIS! We already messed up the Earth!"

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more like cantdu lmao

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Dude deuterium lmao

They are arguably Canada's most significant industrial contribution in decades howeverbeit; nuclear power without proliferation concerns

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Officer he Candu nothin'

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I CAND BREEDer reactor

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If you don't understand why it's stupid, pour a can of coke into your bathtub full of water and then figure out how to get the soda back out.

If governments were taxing me for putting soda in the bathtub, I'd probably find a solution

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You might find it's much easier to not dump the can in the first place.

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Bomb the can factory to prevent any wrongchoice :shrug:

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Going full Ted Kaczynski

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niggess you already used a little magic box that thinks a million times faster than you to communicate with a bunch of r-slurs across the world.

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Yes BUT, there's still one thing my cell phone can't do:

Understand why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch

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Everything is doable if power is cheap.

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:marseyhesright: We just need to solve fusion so we can use infinite free energy to keep burning oil and recapturing the CO2. :marseyroman:

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Well in theory we would at that point no longer be burning so many fossil fuels and the costs of extracting carbon would be lower than those of mitigating global warming impacts, but we don't get there without economic output hence the need to keep using fossil fuels in the interim

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Every summer there's ridiculous amounts of excess solar energy.

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Batteries!

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methane is kind of like a battery too, if you used electricity to generate it from exhaust CO2.

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:#marseyagreesuperspeed:

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Might it have some more interest if you put it right at the carbon output? i.e. at the chimney of a coal plant or whatever. At this point, the air has a higher concentration of CO2.

There's still the storage part to take into account at the end.

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True. That's why I said direct air capture. Putting a capture device on the smokestacks of, like, a steel plant or something is a lot less stupid.

It still probably makes no sense economically and they'll only do it if regulators mandate it, but at least you're not picking a fight directly with entropy itself.

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We're going to compress all the carbons down into a liquid resin and make warhammer armies out of them

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Use a dropper thing to pick up one drop of coke at a time and make sure to ignore all the water droplets :#gigachad2:

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Gas chromatography ya slow butt bish

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The machines cost as much as a small house and are the size of a large desktop PC, but yes, :thistbh:

I had (theoretical) access to one until recently due to policy changes :marseycry:

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>until recently due to policy changes

Shouldn't have been generating so much chromatography porn. :donkeykongheadshake:

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If that were somehow possible I would have done it :marseycoomer2:

It's just general budget cuts further restricting it to specific lab personnel.

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argument from ignorance.

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