We all know Star Trek was always a progressive show with Roddenberry projecting his commie utopian views more and more as he aged. But the problem with the newer shows writing is that everyone acts like a moron. I can't believe I'm going to reference a rightoid Y*utuber but Critical Drinker made decent point on how r-slurred the characters act. Having a woman captain, fine, but having her constantly break and cry or have junior officers joking with superiors orders on their commanding officers face is ridiculous. They want Starfleet to be a zoomer workplace when it is supposed to be a quasi-totallynonmilitary organization with a strong chain of command.
Foid writers glorify "vulnerability", crying and being constantly overly emotional while acting stoically is "LE BAD REPRESSIVE MASCULINITY"
They love to spout off about what Gene Roddenberry believed in but there's a lot of things about him they forget. Like that he was a bomber pilot in WW2. So no, he was not woke. He did not ask the tail gunner which pronouns he's using on each mission or let the navigator go have a cry over how stressful his job is. He did not put up for a vote which target they were going to attack. Every guy was expected to do his job to the utmost until that plane landed.
Also btw Gene Roddenberry was horribly misogynist even by the standards of his time. These tards just go by what he said at conventions, not what he said behind closed doors and not how he treated women.
Their woke views are so ridiculously far from the woke views Roddenberry seemed to portray too.
I'm not a Trekkie, but Roddenberry seems to have wanted to portray a future that's better off because humanity was able to rise above their base instincts of tribalism, snap judgements, supersition, religion and conflict. Meanwhile the people claiming Star Trek was always woke want to portray a future where all that stuff is actually really good as long as it's to the detriment of what they view as the currently dominant tribe; e.g. white vs BIPOC, cis men vs "gender minorities", straight vs queer, Christianity vs literally anything that could be defined as a religion other than Christianity.
Star Trek might be woke in the way they try to define and present their progressive views, but it's not even in the same realm as far as they way they actually put their progressive views into application.
If they ever really paid any attention to it they would realize the Federation is all about being colorblind, which is a horrible sin to them. They should want Spock to be part of a Vulcan activist group and refuse to beam down until his grievances are heard.
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The primary problem with Nu-Trek is that NONE of the writers ever served in the military so they have ZERO idea how Navy Officers behave or act.
Soft, weak women would get boxed out waaaaay before they get control of a ship.
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Yeah, when I complain about something being "woke" I'm not complaining that there's like, a black or female actor in it. I'm complaining that it's written super poorly as a way to do insincere political pandering. If you write a good story and just let the character be a good character without being fricking weird about it there's not a problem. The only exception to that is s, probably, because I am legitimately bigoted as frick against s and I never want to see one on my screen in any context.
The worst is that Current Year media is so obsessed with their overly smug circlejerk that I almost have to deliberately avoid anything prominently featuring minority characters to get a good story. Bitches can't just write a character anymore.
Yeah I couldn't care less if there are black hobbits in LotR. But Numenorians stating that elves are going to take their jobs and it's time to make the island great again are such lazy and hamfisted political messaging that it comes across as satire until you realize that writers actually think it's intelligent and clever.
Reminds me of how in Dune 2 there was a part where somebody mentioned that the Southern Fremen are really religious and Zendaya was basically rolling her eyes at their fundie ways. I don't remember if there was anything like that in the book, and I'm no fan of religion so I don't care if they make fun of it, but in the movie it was obviously a forced political reference and it seemed really silly. Like, what kind of people write that kind of shit?
Shit, I'm still mad at Jackson for putting that stupid shield surfing and dwarf tossing in his LotR.
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We all know Star Trek was always a progressive show with Roddenberry projecting his commie utopian views more and more as he aged. But the problem with the newer shows writing is that everyone acts like a moron. I can't believe I'm going to reference a rightoid Y*utuber but Critical Drinker made decent point on how r-slurred the characters act. Having a woman captain, fine, but having her constantly break and cry or have junior officers joking with superiors orders on their commanding officers face is ridiculous. They want Starfleet to be a zoomer workplace when it is supposed to be a quasi-totallynonmilitary organization with a strong chain of command.
Foid writers glorify "vulnerability", crying and being constantly overly emotional while acting stoically is "LE BAD REPRESSIVE MASCULINITY"
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They love to spout off about what Gene Roddenberry believed in but there's a lot of things about him they forget. Like that he was a bomber pilot in WW2. So no, he was not woke. He did not ask the tail gunner which pronouns he's using on each mission or let the navigator go have a cry over how stressful his job is. He did not put up for a vote which target they were going to attack. Every guy was expected to do his job to the utmost until that plane landed.
Also btw Gene Roddenberry was horribly misogynist even by the standards of his time. These tards just go by what he said at conventions, not what he said behind closed doors and not how he treated women.
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Their woke views are so ridiculously far from the woke views Roddenberry seemed to portray too.
I'm not a Trekkie, but Roddenberry seems to have wanted to portray a future that's better off because humanity was able to rise above their base instincts of tribalism, snap judgements, supersition, religion and conflict. Meanwhile the people claiming Star Trek was always woke want to portray a future where all that stuff is actually really good as long as it's to the detriment of what they view as the currently dominant tribe; e.g. white vs BIPOC, cis men vs "gender minorities", straight vs queer, Christianity vs literally anything that could be defined as a religion other than Christianity.
Star Trek might be woke in the way they try to define and present their progressive views, but it's not even in the same realm as far as they way they actually put their progressive views into application.
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If they ever really paid any attention to it they would realize the Federation is all about being colorblind, which is a horrible sin to them. They should want Spock to be part of a Vulcan activist group and refuse to beam down until his grievances are heard.
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Bomber pilots arent soy drone pilots
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bombs is bombs
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The primary problem with Nu-Trek is that NONE of the writers ever served in the military so they have ZERO idea how Navy Officers behave or act.
Soft, weak women would get boxed out waaaaay before they get control of a ship.
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Yeah, when I complain about something being "woke" I'm not complaining that there's like, a black or female actor in it. I'm complaining that it's written super poorly as a way to do insincere political pandering. If you write a good story and just let the character be a good character without being fricking weird about it there's not a problem. The only exception to that is s, probably, because I am legitimately bigoted as frick against s and I never want to see one on my screen in any context.
The worst is that Current Year media is so obsessed with their overly smug circlejerk that I almost have to deliberately avoid anything prominently featuring minority characters to get a good story. Bitches can't just write a character anymore.
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Yeah I couldn't care less if there are black hobbits in LotR. But Numenorians stating that elves are going to take their jobs and it's time to make the island great again are such lazy and hamfisted political messaging that it comes across as satire until you realize that writers actually think it's intelligent and clever.
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Did they actually do this? Lol
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Yes lmao. I'll find it when I get home.
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Every show since 2016 is required to have a Trump allegory
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An allegory is one thing but straight up "dey tuk er jobs MAGA MAGA MAGA" is unbelievable
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It's real bb, I saw the /tv/ webm
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Reminds me of how in Dune 2 there was a part where somebody mentioned that the Southern Fremen are really religious and Zendaya was basically rolling her eyes at their fundie ways. I don't remember if there was anything like that in the book, and I'm no fan of religion so I don't care if they make fun of it, but in the movie it was obviously a forced political reference and it seemed really silly. Like, what kind of people write that kind of shit?
Shit, I'm still mad at Jackson for putting that stupid shield surfing and dwarf tossing in his LotR.
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You sound media illiterate
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Foid fatigue is real
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NuTrek bad.
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did foids really save star trek when roddenberry was misogynistic as frick and it did just fine in the 60s to 80s without that woman's touch?
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