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the superhero as a fascist archetype stems from real life political conversations in superhero storytelling [and also] in the fundamental premise that an empowered individual should have any kind of authority to punish evildoers whatsoever
So they're fascist archetypes because of what they say (which is what exactly? *crickets*) and because of their vigilantism.
Fascism is a system of government. Vigilantism operates outside of any system of government. Superheroes are archetypes of a vigilante. That's it. Otherwise, we could conclude that superheroes are an archetype of communists.
Granted, commies and fascists have operated outside of the law to right wrongs as they perceive, but their reasons are different. Same goes for superheroes who are basically like "I don't like actual criminals as defined by a basic set of laws against stealing, killing, or cheating people." Communists and fascists have a bit of that but also expand their definition of criminal into "people who do as they please with their property regardless of them actually stealing, killing, or cheating people out of their just deserts."
There's a lot of superhero stories where they form a "league of justice," but that's centered on combating "the bad guys." They impose a rule of law against a group of clearly defined Bad Guys. Still completely different from communists and fascists' definitions of Bad Guys (which is everyone who is not in their Party).
The superhero archetype also varies from representing the sole and morally good vigilante (Batman) to a group of "vigilantes" who impose their own rule of law on certain people (justice league).
Still no fascist or communist archetype at play here. Could it be that these r-slurs do not understand the differences of moral rules among those governments and vigilantes?
And modern western leftism espouses weakness and victimhood as being a virtue.
They see the superhero as playing the same role as a cop in their discourse. He is a tool and boot of the state to suppress and punish those who have been forgotten and exploited by capitalism.
I also don't think any of the actions described are fascist though. Brutal and utilitarian/authoritarian (first is utilitarian second is authoritarian) maybe, fascism is NOT THE SAME AS THOSE
[β]SEA_griffondeur 36 points 5 hours ago
Yeah if people want to know what textbook fascism is with a superhero, look at homelander
The first gets part of it right. He's the most highly upmarseyd redditor who comes close to being correct, but he's missing the whole part about vigilantism, which is what superheroes are.
The second one is clearly brain-damaged and just as vague as the same point that was made in the OP: [superheroes have political conversations that are somehow fascist; therefore, they're fascist]. He's fascist because he is!
Homelander is making fun of Superman, does this guy not realize that the point of Homelander is not "what if Superman was fascist" it's an accusation: "Superman IS fascist!"
Like i dont agree with the critique but the inherent point of the character isnt to say "well theres some bad apples in the superhero genre"
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EvilUbie 4mo ago#6679733
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If you dont understand immediately how <\ libshit approved bad guy> is blatantly fascist, it just proves that you are a fascist sealioning bad faith questions
the superhero as a fascist archetype stems from real life political conversations in superhero storytelling [and also] in the fundamental premise that an empowered individual should have any kind of authority to punish evildoers whatsoever
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So they're fascist archetypes because of what they say (which is what exactly? *crickets*) and because of their vigilantism.
Fascism is a system of government. Vigilantism operates outside of any system of government. Superheroes are archetypes of a vigilante. That's it. Otherwise, we could conclude that superheroes are an archetype of communists.
Granted, commies and fascists have operated outside of the law to right wrongs as they perceive, but their reasons are different. Same goes for superheroes who are basically like "I don't like actual criminals as defined by a basic set of laws against stealing, killing, or cheating people." Communists and fascists have a bit of that but also expand their definition of criminal into "people who do as they please with their property regardless of them actually stealing, killing, or cheating people out of their just deserts."
There's a lot of superhero stories where they form a "league of justice," but that's centered on combating "the bad guys." They impose a rule of law against a group of clearly defined Bad Guys. Still completely different from communists and fascists' definitions of Bad Guys (which is everyone who is not in their Party).
The superhero archetype also varies from representing the sole and morally good vigilante (Batman) to a group of "vigilantes" who impose their own rule of law on certain people (justice league).
Still no fascist or communist archetype at play here. Could it be that these r-slurs do not understand the differences of moral rules among those governments and vigilantes?
!mottezans, discuss!
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They hate both because both are related to masculinity, and masculinity makes bitter, insecure foids and sissy campy degenerates mad.
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And modern western leftism espouses weakness and victimhood as being a virtue.
They see the superhero as playing the same role as a cop in their discourse. He is a tool and boot of the state to suppress and punish those who have been forgotten and exploited by capitalism.
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Doesn't even make sense considering the more fantastical supervillains. In what way has capitalism oppressed Thanos or Ares the God of War?
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It doesn't make sense because almost no one espouses those views lol, it's just a dumb strawman,
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Imagine knowing actual examples of comic book characters.
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Uncle Ted is right about leftards.
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Must it always come down to s*x?
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Not necessary related to s*x, at least that's not why bitter and insecure foids hate masculinity, or even the latter.
They hate strong-willed people, and see being weak as a virtue.
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Ohhh.
Hi, Uncle Ted!
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Everything is about s*x, except s*x. S*x is about power.
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The first gets part of it right. He's the most highly upmarseyd redditor who comes close to being correct, but he's missing the whole part about vigilantism, which is what superheroes are.
The second one is clearly brain-damaged and just as vague as the same point that was made in the OP: [superheroes have political conversations that are somehow fascist; therefore, they're fascist]. He's fascist because he is!
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Homelander is making fun of Superman, does this guy not realize that the point of Homelander is not "what if Superman was fascist" it's an accusation: "Superman IS fascist!"
Like i dont agree with the critique but the inherent point of the character isnt to say "well theres some bad apples in the superhero genre"
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If you dont understand immediately how <\ libshit approved bad guy> is blatantly fascist, it just proves that you are a fascist sealioning bad faith questions
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FASCIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Exactly they're mainly anonymous vigilantes, Batman isn't using his power to become a strongman leader of America
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Superheroes are communists though?
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