Inquiry into the Titan disaster reveals new footage and documents, including sub's wreckage. Scott Manley gives his thoughts on why it failed.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CxBtZmyPzVA

The US Coast Guard has just begun its public inquiry into the Titan Submersible accident, and in the process has released a number of documents, including, critical footage from a remotely operated vehicle showing the wreckages on the ocean floor. The spaceman looks at the available material and gives his own thoughts on why the sub failed.


Key takeaways from the video:

  • ROV footage was released showing the wreck. Apparently it's only the pressurized section that caved in as the footage shows the unpressurized tail-end containing electronics to be mostly in one piece

  • Full communications transcript has been released. It does not indicate that either crew was in any way aware of the vessel failing

  • Despite what many people (including on here) said, carbon fiber and titanium have apparently been successfully used for submersible design by US navy, the significant difference being that it was for an ROV

  • The footage shows the pressure hull having imploded unequally, instead a lot of material was being pushed into the tail-end. Judging off this, it is likely that the structure failed at head-end, potentially on the interface of the titanium end-ring and the carbon fiber, which lead to buckling further down the line and collapsed the whole structure

  • Previously the most circulated idea was that point of failure occurred in the center of the vessel, where it is exposed to peak stress

  • There is also footage from OceanGate promotional videos showing the installation of said end-ring, where they glue it in place (which coincidentally is what the US navy did for their ROV as well)

  • The failure at that section might have been caused by mismatched moduli of compression of the two materials, causing extra stress between carbon fiber and titanium as they were compressed under pressure. That is however a wild guess by the author of the video with nothing to back it up, and he himself admits that it could've been a variety of other factors involved in cutting costs, like using low-quality carbon fiber

  • The prototype for the atmosphere scrubber on board was a sealed plastic box with the absorbent... and a single PC fan blowing over it :marseyyikes:

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Despite what many people (including on here) said, carbon fiber and titanium have apparently been successfully used for submersible design by US navy, the significant difference being that it was for an ROV

Carbon fiber is fine for ROVs because they're fricking remote operated. They don't have people in them so they don't need a big pressure vessel to hold the people, so there's very little that can fricking implode. A carbon fiber pressure vessel is a ticking timebomb that will fail eventually.

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Forgive my :marseybrainlet:, but shouldn't it be the other way around? That's what surprised me with Titan when it was revealed that unpressurized section was fine. A pressurized vessel has an outward pushing force which partially counters the crushing force from outside and should thus reduce compressive stress on the material. Yet apparently it doesn't work that way

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the pressure inside the hull is basically negligible compared to the immense pressure of water surrounding it

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Fine, but how does it worsen the effect of collapse as compared to something that isn't pressured at all?

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Because if it's not pressurized then it works how you imagined, equal pressures counteracting each other. There is no pressure differential and the material sees stresses more equally.

I looked up the carbon ROV

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17268312834813359.webp

It looks like the pressure vessel is made of an alloy and spherical, which is ideal, the rest is carbon just like the tail piece of the titan, which survived

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Oh so it's not pressurized in respect to the pressure at the bottom of the sea, I thought it just meant that it sits at 1 atmosphere while the pressurized part is a bit higher.

God I'm stupid, this makes much more sense :marseygigaretard:

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Titanic depth pressure is 6000 PSI so you probably dont want to pressurize your crew capsule to the same :marseysubmarine:

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:#marseyzoomerimplosion:

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You're not stupid the fricking video is fricking just made by a fricking guy with a fricking funny accent. :marseyembrace:

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Nah the guy is alright, I just fundamentally misunderstood what "pressurized" means in this context, which is pretty embarrassing because I have a degree in physics

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I had to take kindergarten twice because they didn't think I was fricking mature enough and my birthday falls around the fricking cutoff for age. :marseycrayoneater: !followers

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Deadass?

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Watch "Oceanliners Design". He has tons of content on the Titanic wreck and other 19th and 20th century Ocean Liners.

which is pretty embarrassing because I have a degree in physics

Everyone makes silly mistakes

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