Moore's law is going to be obsolete by 2036. LLM's increasing computation to develop new capabilities appears to have nearly reached its end point. Vertical farming appears to be a partial replacement for contemporary farming rather than an upgrade over it. Cultured meat never outcompeted normal meat prices, but appears to have become its own luxury meat market. Self driving vehicles appear to be improving linearly rather than exponentially. Same for Robotics. We were hoping for robot nurses by 2030 but it looks like it will be decades more before a humanoid robot can move faster than a human child in an uncontrolled environment.
Everything appears to be moving at the speed of "you will notice the difference in 30 years time." Which is exceptionally slow compared to the pace of the past century.
For all intents and purposes, we appear to be reaching the end point of what is possible in a species scaled up into nation-states.
Where does humanity go from here? It's not like we are technologically in a position to colonize the moon. We at current levels at best have the tech to set up one or two functioning moon bases. Space mining is still generations away.
We are stalling. What is the solution to this problem? It's not just a numbers issue. Research Productivity has been halving every 14 years. We would need to double the number of researchers globally every 14 years to balance it out. A 5% manpower growth rate for researchers globally annually. The world is very obviously not able to keep up with such extreme demands.
The only remaining solution is to increase human intelligence, but even in that the global population is nearing its peak point. In the developed world IQ growth appears to have stalled. Meanwhile in the developing world, IQ appears to be still growing at a rate of 1-3 IQ points per decade. A growth we can expect to stall by the end of the century, based on historical trends in the west.
Currently, the smartest man alive who can add to human knowledge is Terence Tao, and even he is barely able to solve maybe one or two unsolved math problems per decade at his best, then too collaborating with others.
Humanity does not just want intelligent AI, it NEEDS intelligent AI, to continue the growth that humanity has reached the peak of and cannot go any further.
Humanity is once again stuck in competition with one another for resources, until it can figure out a way to continue growing once again. A golden age for the species is coming to an end, unless it figures out a way to revolutionize growth once again.
Industry 4.0 isn't enough. All it did for the developed world was to take it out of the 2008 financial crisis, and that too barely. If the world is to grow any further, it needs something truly world altering. Something that would explode in its reach, and would keep scaling up at that same rate across generations.
So what is that something?
It's not AI. It's not transistor chips. It's not industrial automation, because South Korea is the most heavily automated country in the world, and they are still slowing down. So what is it?
What is the secret to rapid economic growth in the 21st century? Is it to just throw all the technological know how to the developing world? After all, the developing world is all that is growing now. Even so, global growth is still going down.
There is the answer. A problem without a solution. So what's your suggestion?
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IMO, AI has accelerated - and will increasingly accelerate - both software and hardware tech. I guarantee you this is a big part of why SpaceX has rapidly been making novel breakthroughs lately.
We'll be on Mars in the next decade at current trajectory (not government lackeys but private sector).
Conversely I believe the technology singularity risk theory both explains the lack of alien contact (Fermi Paradox) and what humanity's future holds. So we will go places but tech will kill us and themselves off eventually.
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What bweakthwough?
Yeah. With a man stepping on Mars then nyothing fwor the nyext 30-50 years. Just like the Mwoon landing.
There is nyo singularity if technyowwogicwl gwowth is swowing dwown instead of speeding up.
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Which breakthrough lmao cope
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Seriouswy. Which bweakthwough.
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thirdies kinda don't give a shit about elon's toys. they really don't represent much about new term growth potential for most people.
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These are the product of gigantic subsidies to farmers in the first world combined with the ability to import from a country who will sell crops for a tenth of the price of a developed country. You never need to deploy technological solutions if you just subsidise or use thirdie labour. It's the same as how automated car washes have died in the UK because it's cheaper to import slaves.
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Swo onye of the pwossible swowlutions is that the world wiww again start gwowing once a large enyough mass of the world becwomes devewoped, a mass that is twoo large fwor cheap labwor fwom pwoor cwountwies two make up fwor aww expenses.
In theory that would mean that the world shwould start gwowing again once Chinya becwomes a devewoped ecwonyomy.
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Yeah, unless you implement eugenics, of course that will happen. What did this r-slur think? That dumb people suddenly become smart because of... What?
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Women alweady pwactice eugenyics with mate selection. Its nyot my fault women turnyed out two be r-slurred enyough two marry pwiswon cwonvicts.
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Thats not really eugenics tho, just natural selection.
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The result is suppwosed two be the same wen dwonye right.
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Aren't you an r-slured jeet?
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Nyo.
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I ain't reading all that shit, sexy Indian dude
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we don't know how to do that, and comparing iq across generations is basically nonsense since iq is normalized to a distribution...
a fully transparent society. we barely gotten started with the "information age" tbh. it's kinda silly to expect the best decision making when we don't even give everyone the best possible objective view of the world we can.
then we can move onto ultra-efficient cooperative economics. complexity will demand nothing less. we're gunna need it just to survive global warming, cause that's a thing that's gunna really start mattering in a few decades.
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Global warming already matters.
Ultra efficient cooperation only works if part of the cooperation is the management class competently only keeping you in office for exactly 6 hours or 8 hours a day five days a week.
Efficiency is a two way street.
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like supply chains start failing matters. like the methane time bomb is recognized for what it is: extinction waiting to happen.
there was a very interesting paper released last year. it was the first paper to do 3D modeling of dynamics systems within our climate during projections. up until now, we've been dividing up the earth into a 2D grid and projecting 1D effects as such, this just misses things.
this study has a various interesting conclusions: once a certain tipping point is hit (~20C from our point in the model)... the planet very rapidly transitions (within a few centuries) to a steam house planet with an average surface temperature upwards of boiling water (100C) : https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2023/12/aa46936-23/F1.html ... from there it takes millions of years to boil off the oceans, but our transition to venus would be all but certain.
even more interestingly... we found an example steamhouse planet within a 100 lightyears just last month, lookup exoplanet GJ 9827d
idk what ur trying to comment on with this statement. cooperation and efficiency are both a two-way streets.
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Aren't we already below 3C rise. 20C appears to be a very safe window in this context unless I am missing something.
I meant look at the example of Germany. Some of the shortest work hours in the world, but so well managed that they are still some of the highest GDP per capita countries in the world.
Point being, ultra efficiency in the work place both requires workers that are always on time and do their work properly, and management who are not so incompetent that they have to set up overtime work as the default.
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Eugenics, incredibly obvious.
Can be negative (culling the r-slurs) or positive (pay the smart people to have babies) either way idfc give us high IQ utopia plz
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mandatwory vasectwomies fwor viowalnt pwiswonyers?
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iso-cost piece of silicon (or even a package) is no longer doubling every 18 months, which is the original definition. So it's kinda already obsolete
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Yeah but suppwosedwy they are peepeeing awound with other cwompwonyents that get the same output incwease oworaww after the 18 mwonths swo they are cawwing it a cwontinyuation of Mwoore's law. By 2036 even aww thwose twicks are gwoing two run out is the issue.
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The same as always
Porn
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It's nyot working anymwore.
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Yes it is, it is currently driving forward all moving work on human body function replication
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What?
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Progress is a myth invented to justify the exploitation of capitalism- along the lines of it being okay to be content with an unsustainable system because it will not only always be this good, it will only get better. Much like a religion manifesting a savior the market will hit hard times, and whatever innovation, whatever the next big thing, with be blown up just like with what we saw with ai. Ai is just one of like 30 flash in the pan pie in the sky market revolutionizing things that happened over the past decade, distinguished by the fact that it kind of stuck.
Somone will figure out the next thing to sell you, and youll thank them for it.
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Pwogwess is iterative, marketing is revowlutionyary pie in the sky swowlutions.
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