Egypt is Destroying Itself - YouTube :capypharaohgenocide:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gK0NjFm-Hkk

Good video that talks about the situation in Egypt and the events that led up to it. !historychads

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i like how they are building some dumb shit in the middle of nowhere as a jobs program, very egyptian of them

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Literally like 3,400 years ago, they did the same thing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarna

Not really as a jobs program, more of a "the pharaoh wants to get away from the main temples because their priests are accumulating too much power" program. But still, a city out of fricking nowhere.

When he died everyone packed their shit and left bc nobody wanted to be there lmao. Never actually finished building it.

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akhenaten is like my favorite historical figuremostly because all of his statues look like gigachad https://i.rdrama.net/images/1718157018746591.webp

its weird how it was desirable to look like you had klinefelters though, i wonder if he really was pear shaped https://i.rdrama.net/images/1718157111835527.webp

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How inbred was he?

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Every time I read about Egyptian history I'm just like "this would make a really good Souls game."

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it's actually :marseyakshually: a pretty :marseyglam: useful tactic if done correctly. It can be utilized to create skilled labor and to build :marseyikea: infrastructure. It's how we got Hoover dam and Mount :marseyblackcock: Rushmore

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What's the return on investment? If they could've earned more just by investing it, then the government wasted resources. Hoover Dam is a maybe, but something like Mount Rushmore is a waste.

>create skilled labor

Kinda. You also pull labor away from more useful projects.

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Mount Rushmore is a major tourist attraction and most important thing in south Dakota. Go ahead and name anything else of value on that state. You can't.

I hope someday we can put every presidents face on a mountain. :#marseymutt: :!#marseypatriot:

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:#marseyblowkiss:

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I want something like a hall of presidents but for everyone who failed to become one, just a line of all the losers. It'd be even better if they sold tomatoes that you could throw at them.

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How about a hall of failure? Al Gore, John Kerry, mitt Romney, and we gotta put jimmy Carter in there ( I know he was technically prez I just think he's lame)

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But Egypt (and many other third world nations) suffer from massive unemployment mostly young men. Think of these projects more as government trade programs that keep that class project afterward. You inflate the demand for construction workers, increasing the supply eventually and they can do private projects later.

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How do nations develop? How did those wretched poor countries of Western Europe multiply their wealth by a factor of 10 over 200 years?

That's the question for the ages.

You're right. You can take wealth from others through taxation and inflating the monetary supply in order to build something in the middle of nowhere that won't really do anything (just as an example). It creates jobs! And after the project has finished, then what? Nothing, if the market has no need for such trained labor. Just because government dumps money into its latest industrial policy, it doesn't follow that it is sustainable nor has "positive externalities" for the rest of society. There's also the opportunity cost. Government took all that wealth to make something with a return on investment of ????, and if all they have is 10k workers who dug in the desert to show for it, it's a waste of resources.

You'd need something more sustainable that is in tune with what people regularly demand now and in the future (consumption and investment through market prices). Government, or more specifically central planning, has been shit at providing that and predicting that for centuries. The Soviet Union made the hard case for that and lost. Only took them 70 years to learn that. The fertile ground toward what we enjoy today has been markets and from government doing the bare minimum while getting out of the way. Of course, if you're an autocrat or a dominating political party, it is hard to give away that control by letting others simply trade within a framework that upholds their property rights. (It really is a hard ask for people who are used to taking from others and doing whatever they want). Even when you get past that stage, government still lapses into a parasite. Remember that taxes in the US during the 1800s were about 10% of your income. Today it's around 50%, if you're making more than $45k.

Issues such as massive unemployment are generally due to poor public policy. The government itself is the cause, and sometimes the cure, but rarely does that work out. To be clear, it is difficult to establish institutions which uphold contracts, private property rights, and voluntary exchange. Building something in the middle of nowhere usually does nothing toward advancing to the path of prosperity. What it does do is create a bunch of people who now favor the government for its subsidy--at the very least. This is Public Choice 101. You can repeat that many times and see why second and third world countries are stuck in a rut of corruption. Those ideal institutions about property rights and voluntary exchange are a public good, which is very easily neglected by government because it is controlled by self-interested individuals with the power of the state at their hands. It's even worse than the tragedy of the commons with self-interested, profit-seeking buttholes.

If you want me to expand on anything here, ask away.

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I think :marseynoooticer: your biggest issue is it's implementation as a permanent program :marseyyarn: to create random :marseycitrusshrug: bullshit :marseyitsallsotiresome: with which I agree.

However as temporary program :marseyyarn: to build :marseyikea: infrastructure and job skills in 3rd world :marseyww1russian1: countries can be a huge boon. One of the reasons the Chinese :marseyshreddedmanlet2: don't utilize foreign labor in their African :marseybipocrentfree: infrastructure projects is due to the lack of skilled labor.

It can (but is often not) utilized to increase :marseychartuptrend: the profitability of foreign investment into your own people. Central planning as a whole is an obviously doomed prospect but job programs, when implemented correctly, can be a huge boon to a failing economy.

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It depends on the return on investment and the opportunity cost. It's not like first world countries simply made roads and magically their labor force became skilled and the economy flourished. It's more about basic and harder to implement things like institutions that support markets.

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For sure that has to accompany it or else you have invested in a labor force :marseyjetfighter: with no way to transfer their skills to the private sector.

My only point :marseynoyoufellowpedo: is that a well implemented labor program :marseyyarn: can work.

To your point :marseytedsimp2: why it worked so well in the US during the depression :marseydespair: because we had those underlying principles and systems in place :marseychtorrr:

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That wasn't jobs training though. It was "transfer money from one group to another to placate them." Government also did too much such as crowding out investment thereby prolonging the depression through its subsidies. :marseyshrug:

a well implemented labor program :marseyyarn: can work.

It can in a narrow set of circumstances which government has a difficult time achieviing due to its incentives and knowledge problems (i.e. it barely happens and it's madness to keep expecting them to get it right).

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>something like Mount Rushmore is a waste.

Plebeian.

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