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EFFORTPOST 2024 US Election - Trump wins! Analysing the victory!


								

								

This is MAGA country. You're just living in it.

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As of writing, the election isn't over yet. While Trump has won, there are still states yet to be counted - but it would take a miracle to alter the map. MAGA has won the hardest it has ever won since being established. More EVs then 2016, the popular vote, Senate seats flipped, and likely the House is staying red. After needing a lucky break from Comey in 2016, getting crushed by a Blue Wave in 2018, losing in 2020 and the Red Drizzle in 2022 that saw the Dems gain in the Senate, Trump has finally achieved a total victory. America looked at what Trump offered, and it collectively decided that Trump had the stuff. For this little longpost, I want to first observe why I think Trump beat Harris - what Trump did right, what Harris did wrong, then analyse the results of this crushing victory.

The Campaign Trail

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Trump's campaign, by most standard metrics, has been butt and fries :marseychartdownwardtrend:. He had far less money then Harris :marseycapitalistmanlet:, even with Musk's :marseyelonmusk: backing, a much worse ground game and was always held in a lower personal estimation then Harris. He was generally agreed to have lost the debates :marseyunhinged:, and his surrogates Vance and Musk are some of the few men to be less liked than Trump :marseyblops2cel:. And christ, Vance deserves his own section discussing why he was such an awful choice - Rubio :marseymexican: and especially Burgum :marseyreap: would have been far better choices. But he was clearly doing something right, as can bee seen by his tremendous margin of victory. I believe his strengths can be tied to 5 big things;

1. The media game :marseyzoomer:

Be it going on livestreams with Zoomer dipshits or going on podcasts, Trump was tremendously cunning about his media outreach. He was sure to stick to mostly friendly interviewers, only attending one neutral to hostile interview with Vance, and cashed in on the good will of the various dipshits to earn credibility to a mostly untapped demographic to win the election.

Vance proved himself a capable campaigner on this front as well. While Trump was fricking with Adin Ross, it was Vance that'd be on TV and getting into details with interviewers. Vance's approval rating was the lowest in the entire race, and he was a constant punching bag for basically anyone with eyes and ears - but this actually worked in his favour, I believe. When the voter hears about this sick freak that fricks couches and wants battered wives to stay in abusive marriages, and sees a fairly articulate and affable conservative, Vance sprints over and leaps over a bar set in heck. Perhaps they don't like Vance, but they don't loathe him like they may have expected too.

He's still r-slurred btw

2. Constant association with policy :marseyreading:

This is a slightly esoteric one. It's not the policy itself, but the fact he was constantly addressing policy gave him a real sense of legitimacy. Be it his 20% tariffs on everything, planned deportations, states rights on abortion, his constant rejection of Project 2025 and No-Taxes-On-Tips - the actual policy doesn't matter, voters simply felt comfortable with a man discussing issues. I want to go a bit deeper into this when I talk about Harris' weaknesses, but the short version is that Trump isn't the "Frick You" protest vote he was in 2016. He's considered a legitimate politician, and the policy discussions enhanced this image.

3. Memories of 2018 :marseynostalgiacritic:

Trump's greatest strength was long considered to be his status as an outsider, but the problem with that is that you can't be an outsider after you win and govern like a pretty normal Republican - he didn't really drain the swamp, he cut taxes and failed to end Obamacare. However - times were decent in 2018. Prices were low, Afghanistan was less a current occupation and more a memory, and the rest of the world seemed at peace. The Trump Presidency was many years ago - what's remembered, it seems, is that the President made mean tweets while times were good and Joe Biden was a nice r-slur that fricked everything up.

In essence, the outsider's new strength is his status as an experienced insider.

4. RFK Jr and the nutjobs :marseyschizotwitch:

But you can never forget your roots. Kennedy Junior's Quixotic adventure ended with him becoming one Trump's top guys, being given some kind of Health job in the future Trump administration, did a lot to rebuild bridges with Trump's insane person base. Now, they always made up Trump's base, but for those disillusioned with Trump following his presidency, Kennedy throws them a lifeline. Tulsi Gabbard does something similar, to a lesser degree.

5. Having a weak opposition. :marseyhomoitsover:

Why Kamala lost

Because Joe Biden is unpopular. :marseybiden:

There are other reasons I'll get into, but that's the main one. She couldn't define herself as an agent of change, and that killed her stone dead. Joe Biden is associated with high prices and global instability, and as his Vice-President she was linked inexorably to that. No election is ever decided by a single event, but if it was, then it was this..

Definition was Ha-Ha Harris' problem in general. She never stuck to her guns on anything except abortion. She's the Democratic warrior fighting to ensure "We're not going back!" while promising to put a Republican in her cabinet, she loves policing and was prosecutor but don't worry she supports reform, she wants to crackdown on the border but in a progressive way unlike mean old Trump - it was just a mess of a talking out of both sides of her mouth. The consequences were simple - progressives were depressed by her flip flopping from her 2020 stances, while Independents she was courting were turned off by her flip flopping without an actual plan, and the conservatives she was courting by touting that fricking Cheney endorsement were worried about her 2020 stances.

Her lack of commitment meant that she was very easy to paint. Dropping Joe for Kammie could have been more than swapping an r-slur for a less r-slurred r-slur, but the Republican's admirable messaging discipline (they managed to go from President Biden's inflation to Vice-President Harris' inflation very smoothly) and her lack of concrete positions let the Republicans paint her as anything they liked.

Her Vice-Presdential pick was perfect - Walz :sadwalz: remained the most popular person in the race, and honestly he was underutilised. He's fine giving speeches, but if Harris was refusing to give interviews, then it should have been Walz. Maybe picking Shapiro could have saved Pennsylvania, but even if it did, that still doesn't get her past 270 while pissing off other states even more.

As for the Gaza shit in general - to the degree it mattered, it ties back to Joe Biden. The average voter vaguely supports Israel, but isn't that invested in the war. The war is like Afghanistan - just another example of Biden causing problems where there were none before. The specifics don't matter. Not at all, as I'll get into later.

The question emerges from this - could Harris win? Was Trump's victory certain? The answer may surprise you.

The Results

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The results are bad for Harris. She's the first candidate to lost the popular vote since John Kerry in 2004, who was the first to lost the popular vote since Dukakis in 1988 - and unlike Kerry, Kammie doesn't have an excuse like 9/11 to justify her piss poor results. The main reason Harris lost the popular vote are her poor results in safe blue areas. For comparison;

  • Biden won New Jersey by 57%, Harris won it by 51%

  • Biden won Illinois by 57%, Harris won it 53%

  • Biden won California by 63%, Harris won it by 57%

  • Biden won New York by 60%, and Harris won it by 55%

And despite what leftists hope :gay:, this can't be tied to Jill Stein :marseygigaretard: and the Greens :marseykermit:. Of the above mentioned states, Stein was only on the ballot in California and New Jersey, and she didn't do so well in the states that she managed to frick up her margins. While the precise results are being counted, looking at the key swing states;

  • The difference of votes between Trump and Harris in Pennsylvania are 130,487, Stein won 33,544 votes

  • The difference of votes between Trump and Harris in Georgia are 130,487, Stein won 18,162 votes (which means she came in 4th, after Chase Oliver)

  • The difference of votes between Trump and Harris in North Carolina are 130,487, Stein won 24,289 votes

  • The difference of votes between Trump and Harris in Wisconsin are 29,634, Stein won 12,266 votes and came in 4th after RFK Jr

  • Even in Michigan, Stein's best state, the difference is 81,750 and Stein only got 44,642 votes.

  • The difference of votes between Trump and Harris in Arizona are still being counted, and has technically not been called for Trump, but as of now Stein is also behind Oliver there.

These results are a horror story. Harris is losing popularity in her safest spots, the left didn't cost her anything - the American people just liked Donald Trump and his platform a lot more. It looks like a devastating defeat for Harris at first glance... but what if, for fun, we add just 2% to Harris, in every state. Just a small upgrade. How does she do?

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A measly 2% does not change the shocking collapse in safe areas. But it does massively alter the electoral college - Harris actually wins with just a 2% change, while still in all likelihood losing the popular vote. Despite the seeming dominance Trump's victory has presented, the coalition he's built is a bizarrely fragile one. It's difficult to see this coalition surviving social media and 24 hours news cycles... but that's J.D Vance's problem. :marseywatchingtv:

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I wouldn't extrapolate too much from this election. While the rightward shift among certain demos is likely permanent to a small extent, I think the greater shift is due to Trump's strength and Kamala's weakness, and shouldn't be assumed as a given going forwards.

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This is completely correct and something I should have mentioned. There were numerous referendums on abortion, weed, and other liberal things - with the exception of California, which went pretty harshly right wing, by and large liberal policy broke the 50% margin. Even in very red states like Missouri and Florida.

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One thing I'm curious about is if these referendums end up hurting Democrats in the long run, especially if the Republicans are smart and don't try to push for a national abortion ban (really doubt Trump would allow it). If Democrats are more popular on measures which can be decided on at the ballot booth but Republicans are more popular on measures which can't be, then that's trouble for Democrats.

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In that case, GOP should formally just be a far-right party, the Dems centre-right, and the leftoids can have their turn at ballot measures.

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More like most r-slurred dramanaut :marseysmug2:

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I got a little carried away and my reply ended becoming longer than the post. It's been known to happen sometimes. :marseyshrug:

The media game

Trump had a huge advantage in actually having the guts to go on Joe Rogan. When he did but Kamala chickened out, that's when I was pretty sure she would lose. If you're scared to have a chill relaxed conversation with the most popular dudebro in the country, you're not going to win. It's easy to notice when Trump's people are being weird. But I would argue that Kamala not going on Rogan is weird. It shows she can't even talk to ordinary Americans, let alone relate to them. I'd bet this cost her about a million votes.

Cheney

Yet another example of her campaign making a colossally r-slurred decision because they're so isolated from real America they have no idea how normal people will react. They were hoping to attract Reagan Republicans who despise Trump but are undecided about voting for Kamala and need to be convinced. Note that this niche does not include Republicans who were already going to vote for Kamala or would never vote for Kamala. Everyone else hears "Cheney" and immediately thinks of the Iraq War, which is probably the worst thing a politician could possibly be associated with. Everyone is pissed off about the war and a lot of people still care very deeply about it.

The Democrats were on a quest to find these disgruntled Republicans like they're the Holy Grail. I'm sure a few of these people exist, but this is a very specific niche. About 4 million (12%) of Republicans dislike Trump. There were 129 million votes cast in this election. They were chasing after 3% of the electorate. Pissing off 97% of voters to get some fraction of that 4 million is not something a candidate does if they want to win.

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So why did they do it? What was more important than winning? Democrats have a fascination with Never Trumper Republicans in the same way that the alt right treats based black men. It makes them feel good to hear that even Republicans support them. They must be doing something right! And they cling to a pathetic hope that when Trump is gone, the nice Republicans will take over the party again. The kind of Republicans who might politely disagree with you but you could negotiate with them. Like it was before Trump. Wait... No, actually before Trump Republicans were already so fanatical in their hatred that they refused to compromise on anything. This fantasy isn't really going back before Trump, it's going back to the 1980s.

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I'd like to turn back time to when Star Trek was good but I understand it ain't happening.

These results are a horror story.

I'm hearing very little about the popular vote, but I think that's the best place to look to see just how severe this catastrophe is. Democrats have won the popular vote in every election in this century. Biden won it by 7 million. It was assumed that the Democrat would win the popular vote even if Trump managed to win big in the electoral college by taking key swing states.

Kamala lost the popular vote by a margin of 4.7 million. How did this happen? Was there a groundswell of support for Trump? Did he manage to encourage people to vote who normally wouldn't? Did hordes of angry white men descend on the polling stations, determined to never let a woman lead? No. Not even close. He got 1.6 million votes more than last time, an increase of 2%.

Kamala got 13 million less votes than Biden, a drop of 16%. This must be because misogynist white men who can't stand a female president defected to Trump, right? Oh wait, no, Trump didn't gain any voters at all. These are Democrats or Democrat-leaning independents who were so disgusted with Kamala that they bother voting at all. (Or left the presidential bubbles blank on their ballot like me. :marseycool2:) These are people on her own side who didn't feel that there was enough difference between Kamala and Trump to justify voting.

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This election was an absolute fricking disaster for the Democratic party. Trump didn't do anything right in the whole campaign and only hung on to his previous supporters. Kamala (and the way she was "nominated") was so toxic she managed to drive off a large portion of her own team. The Dems have got to do some really fricking serious soul searching after this. They need to track down what people are responsible for this catastrophe and blame them, even if it hurts their feelings. This is not just a few innocent mistakes made by otherwise competent people. There is a long pattern of shockingly poor performance. In 2016 they lost to an elderly raving borderline r-slur. It was treated as if Trump was some new phenomenon that surprised them. They didn't have that excuse in 2020 but they still managed to pull off another disaster. Biden won by the narrowest of margins only because his opponent was an even worse candidate. At that point the party leaders had proved how inept they are. They should have been purged and replaced with new blood and the party reorganized. But Biden won, so they just pretended they did a good job.

:#marseyguillotine:

This is the third time in a row that they've managed to frick up a sure thing. Heads have got to roll. "But Redactor," you ask, "they have all the power. They're so entrenched in their positions. Who could possibly force them out?" Donors. These people are obsessed with fundraising. They learned their trade in the bygone era before social media, when voters got most of their information about candidates from TV ads. Of course the world doesn't work like that anymore, proven by how badly Trump beats no matter how much more cash they have. But the dinosaurs running the party don't know that. They pimp out their candidates to every corporation and special interest group, making sleazy deals that turn off voters because money is that important to them. One day the donors are going to wake up and realize that there's no point in throwing money at the Dems when they're not even trying to win. At least I tell myself that so I can sleep at night.

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Donors can't even make it or break it like Dems think. Trump had less than 400 million compared to Kamala's 1.1billion. For reference, San Francisco will drop 200 million on a small neighborhood park. Donors don't make or break the election, a disconnect with your average (somewhat r-slurred) swing voter does.

I'd hope this'd bring around real change within the American political system, but considering Alaska literally just voted to repeal its ranked choice voting system, I'd doubt it. The most we can hope for is psychopathic and snakelike Trump wannabes like Vivek or Vance on the GOP's side, and I don't even know on the Dem's.

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I don't think that includes superpac money, but I'm too r-slurred and lazy :marseymagahat: to look up the right numbers.

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It's podcasts vs legacy media. Legacy media is more expensive and gives you less return. Podcast appearances are cheap if not free, and give you insane exposure.

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Why would this election cause America to change it's political system? The winner of the popular vote, won the election so it was democratic. The person with less money won, so clearly wealth is not destroying democracy.

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I don't think it's fair to lump vivek and Vance together. Just cause Vance also has a curry foid? Cmon now

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A much more sensible perspective than your usual "it's id-pol's fault" drivel.

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Young men shifted right 30 points in 6 years. It certainly plays a role even if it's not the only thing.

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It blows my mind that people think ghouls like Peepee Cheney are better people than Trump or endorsements worth touting.

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For all the bad things Trump has done, he never got us into a war. Cheney got us into the most r-slurred war possible. When Trump ran for president in 2016 I'd say the #1 reason he succeeded was because everyone left, right, and center were so pissed off about the war that they didn't want to elect another ordinary politician.

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Ststicically, Americans don't prioritize foreign policy

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Posts like this are why I do crack.

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I don't think it can be overstated just how unremarkable kamala is. I'm a moderate libtard and I'll admit that the initial burst of excitement when she took over for Joe felt impressive, but it was mostly just nice to see someone coherent for a change. Despite all of her accomplishments, despite her celebrity endorsements, and despite her being plastered all over the website I use the most, I'll probably forget about her entirely within the next 10 years. I can't say that about Biden, Obama, Hilary, or even Jeb fricking Bush.

It's almost as if the endorsements made it worse. You hear that some r-slur whos popular with zoomers is talking her up and getting excited about her BRAT energy, and then you hear her talk and you think "her?".

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I think a really overlooked reason is that the seemingly endless deafening wailing from lib/left that has completely blanketed our culture over the past decade turned people off more than I thought it would.

I've always presumed this approach had a net positive impact for dems. Whether through endless guilt, shaming, threats and social contagion (or a combination of factors), a large percentage of people would fall in line. And I think this did happen in 2020. The screams were so loud and persistent that many people voted to make them stop. And I thought this year would be a repeat. But it appears the opposite occurred. It was a rare and unexpected white pill, for sure.

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People are sick of the rhetoric and tune it out.

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I mean you try explaining to people that no one likes busybodies and everyone pushes back against moralizing but they double down claiming it's necessary and "being a good person" then act shocked people turn.

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One time I answered a "spam" call and it was actually my doctor's office. So I have to check all of them now. :marseyrain:

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shaming, threats and social contagion (or a combination of factors), a large percentage of people would fall in line.

that only works when there is consequences (getting expelled/fired) for not falling in line. People are free to anonymously make their own choice in the voting both without facing retribution.

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I completely stopped caring about any of that shit in 2016 when people hated me because I didn't vote for Bernie. Then these same people a few months later hated me because I was voting for Hillary but I wasn't doing it for the right reasons. There's no way to appease these people.

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And christ, Vance deserves his own section discussing why he was such an awful choice

Hard disagree. He resonated with parents a lot, and that was a key demographic this election.

Her Vice-Presdential pick was perfect

Nah, she should have picked Shapiro to lock down Pennsylvania.

!effortposters

Writeup about the election, some good food for thought.

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I believe the point of Vance was exactly what the leftoids were laughing at: a reformed Trump hater. Just like Cruz, when people see a man that hated the man they used to hate, they are more likely to vote for him.

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I had ignored Vance the last few years every time he was mentioned but he's genuinely impressive. God knows what the next 4 years will be like but it feels like he and DeSantis are going to be the new frontrunners for rightoids in the near future

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DeSantis is cooked lol, whatever Trump's exit looks like it will be as a kingmaker and his dislike for Ron seems personal, he'd never do it

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Desantis can stay king of Florida literally forever. Thats hardly what youd call cooked.

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So he's just red newsom and his ambitions end at disneyland, kinda an L when he wanted it all

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King of Disneyworld also sounds amazing tho

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He can reorient in a couple cycles. Public memory is short nowadays and he's young, relatively speaking.

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Agreed it's Vance vs Ramalamadingdong going forwards in today's way too early race. Maybe Hotwheels (Abbot out of Texas) but that's about it.

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Trump is going to die of a stroke in 2026, he won't get to be a kingmaker.

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Democrats did a good job painting Vance as a weirdo when he was first selected as the VP, but the more people saw of him the more they seemed to liked him. His favorability ratings did climb over the campaign, although they stayed net negative. There are some people who absolutely hated him, but the sort of women who freaked out when he got in a verbal spat the female moderators of the debate were always going to vote for Harris anyway.

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Hard disagree. He resonated with parents a lot, and that was a key demographic this election.

I actually kind of frick with this thinking, he brought up his kids a lot in a way that felt natural. I still think he hurt more then he helped, but that's something I hadn't considered

Nah, she should have picked Shapiro to lock down Pennsylvania.

She would have done even worse nearly everywhere else, and not over Israel. Shapiro has a bit of a conservative streak, especially regarding education - with hindsight, that'd write of Michigan and Wisconsin completely.

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I still think he hurt more then he helped

Maybe with the electorate, but it seems like Trump selected him under the assumption that he was already going to win. To me, the timing (right when Biden was going down in flames) suggests that.

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No doubt. It was a very arrogant selection, one that paid off ultimately

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It seems like people paid more attention to the VP debate this time around, and Vance crushed that. I think he's a good VP spot, but wouldn't be a good presidential candidate.

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Cuck Walz didn't get any respect except from "vote blue no matter who"s.

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Walz was supposed to be the way they connected with white ruralcels, but he looks like a pathetic punching bag in all the messaging they put out.

It's like they refuse to hide their contempt for even a few months.

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>and that was a key demographic this election

Considering he didn't really pick up any new voters, I disagree.

>should have picked Shapiro to lock down Pennsylvania.

Locking down specific states wasn't her problem. She lacked the enthusiasm that Biden and Obama had. She lost the popular vote. Without that, nothing matters for Democrats.

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Yeah I can't imagine he brought anyone new to the table, but I do think the Dems and their relationship with media has alienated alot of moderates/independents. He was presented as weird and awkward, then everyone sees a debate where he's actually very charismatic, so I wonder if that added a bit to just being sick of democrats

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He increased his vote share by 2%. Which is really impressive for someone running for a 3rd time, that he was still able to attract new voters, despite opinions being pretty set in after 8 years.

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Trump's vote has minimum stayed the same since 2020, and in all likelihood increased, while the Dems looks to have collapsed by 1/7th. Maintaining his vote when overall turnout has collapsed is a huge gain.

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Walz seemed like a good pick at the beginning, but every time he was in the spotlight he fell apart, letting the Rs double down on the Kamala campaign's incompetence. If Shapiro could handle hostile interviews without appearing like he was on the verge of bursting into tears it's hard to believe he wouldn't have been a better choice.

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The "Playing Madden with AOC" basically destroyed his whole "Coach Walz" image.

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Yeah neither could even score a single point

And then there's his hunting episode where he couldn't figure out how to load his gun. That's Dukakis in a tank, that's Dean scream shit. His career even in Minnesota is finished

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Nah, she should have picked Shapiro to lock down Pennsylvania.

And lose even more of the radical centrist muslim vote?


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Shapiro seemed like such an obvious pick that the only reasons I can think of for why she went with Walz instead is

1. Some kind of back room political deal or

2. Shapiro is a Jew that doesn't hate Israel so she thinks it would alienate the progressive wing too much

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Counter point:

Why Trump won

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Why Kamala lost

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On November 7th, 2024, @Gruesy_Spoon was actually right about something.

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!historychads I stand with israel

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There's that Russian queen that killed a bunch of her enemies too

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Biden is trans

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Oh my god, it's true !pings

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Hillary clinton won the popular vote

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China creaming its pants because Trump got elected is somehow a good thing?

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They're freaking out. Massive Chinese stock sell off has already happened

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Trump's awful economic policies are going to negatively affect the US the most, but China too, I guess.

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Is that why the US stock market is booming in the wake of the election? Lmao cope n seethe

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That's not a good indicator for the efficacy of his policies. There is widespread consensus in academic economic circles that Trump has been bad for the economy, just like most other Republican presidents.

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Academic economists are all mostly socialists these days so idgaf

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None of them are

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Were these the same academic circles, that said after covid there would definitely be a recession? Seem really bad at predicting them.

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Trump was already president before and he was just as bad as other republican presidents before him.

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I still despise Vance and hope he gets diabetic feet, but he did way better than I expected.

Walz turned out to be such a turd. I legitimately liked him when I lived in Minnesota, but I called him blue team Sarah Palin a few months ago and that turned out to be more accurate than I meant it to because I don't think anyone else since Palin has seemed so unprepared for prime time. It should have been Shapiro or Kelly.

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And christ, Vance deserves his own section discussing why he was such an awful choice

Okay, remember when we argued about this before? I basically said Vance was a play for podcast bros, fake centrists, anti-liberals, both-sidesers, etc. People who want to be smart and heterodox and special. You said that these guys would vote for Trump anyway, but most of them were actually low-propensity voters. Liberals and conventional wisdom considered chasing these guys to be a waste of time. Meanwhile, I believed that they were persuadable, but that they'd need something a little more substantial than Trumpian bloviating to actually pull the level for orange man.

Now that young men, and young male first-time voters, turned up for Trump, I think I was right. Vance may not have delivered this demographic all by himself, but he was part of a coherent strategy that paid off, and would have been weaker with someone like Burgum or Rubio. Do you really think Burgum goes on Joe Rogan?

As a pseud debate chud, Vance also did much better against Walz than the other options would have. This became especially important because there was only one Trump/Harris debate, which Trump lost, so the VP debate framed the race much more than usual. Friends and family were telling me that the VP debate was better than the presidential one, that it had "actual ideas" in it, etc. Viewers walked away feeling the Trump ticket had some real brains on it. I don't think the Rubot would have given viewers that impression.

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I basically said Vance was a play for podcast bros, fake centrists, anti-liberals, both-sidesers, etc.

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you wrote, but if you think Dems are bad, mainstream Repubs are bad, Trump is bad and that "fake centrists" are bad, who is actually good? Where, if anywhere is a correct opinion?

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Not in politics. Lol. Dems are r-slurred and too arrogant, Republicans are (now) spineless and hypocritical, and "Centrist" Muskoids too self serving. Wake me when someone actually purges congress and deep money, removing the stranglehold McDonald's and co have on our politics.

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wait, you actually think someone must be good? Because Cosmos, or...?

Everyone is bad.

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Mocking everyone is par for the course here. I was caricaturing a demographic that I basically belong to. I spend a lot of time hating liberals online, but have never actually voted for Trump.

This time, I ended up voting for Jill Stein as a protest over the war in Gaza. If that hadn't been an issue, I might have been persuaded to vote DDR by someone like Vance, which is why I could see the reasoning to pick him even a few months ago.

Since I did not end up voting for a major party, in my individual case I back up the idea that going for young male contrarians is pointless. However, the GOP managed to turn enough of us out to make a difference., which I sensed was possible.

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Do you really think Burgum goes on Joe Rogan?

Yeah? Burgum has been pushing a lot of tech bullshit in North Dakota, that's been his thing.

While the boost in turnout for Roganbros probably helped out a lot, I don't see it as election defining. I think the mealy mouthed weakness of the Harris campaign had a bigger impact than Trump and Vance's specific strategies

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Burgum is a conventional politician with no distinguishing characteristics. He ran in the GOP primary and got 0.5% of the vote, and that was after quite literally paying people to donate to him..

Regardless of whether Burgum would sit for a 3-hour interview, I would also say that I don't think the Rogan audience would want to watch it. Vance is a better fit for that audience because he fits a "smart crank" sort of role. He's right on the line between a serious politician normies can support, and a weird heterodox politics guy that online politics bros can add to their ever-expanding cast of contradictory faves along with RFK, Tulsi, etc.

I do agree with your OP that actual voters perceived the Trump ticket as more policy-focused than Harris's. This was also true in 2016. Journos were always blind to it because they considered Trump's policies too stupid, low-brow, unachievable, etc. to be "real" policies, and then they just told everyone the race was "actually" about vibes or racism instead.

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Vance was tweeting immigration studies and long prayers within 24 hours of each other. He's a brilliant pick.

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In my opinion, Kamala wasn't unlikeable but also didn't appeal to me. Look at her celebrity endorsements -- Cardi B, Tswift, Oprah.... it seems like she was relying entirely on the #girlboss demographic while almost intentionally trying to alienate everyone else.

Like, her plan was to encourage more undecided/unmotivated people to vote, rather than convince people to change sides. It was a much more toned-down version of the Vote or Die campaign.


Not helping her was the blindingly obvious hypocrisy.

Trump never answers any questions, he just deflects! -- first question of the debate for Harris, Economically, do you think Americans are better off now than they were four years ago? and she never answered it. She went on and on about her future planned tax breaks for parents and all kinds of other stuff that had nothing to do with the question.

Trump outright states that nobody is against abortions in the case of r*pe or incest. Ten seconds later, Harris says Trump wants to ban abortion for r*pe/incest as if we didn't JUST hear him say the opposite.

And the biggest question she consistently refused to answer: You have all these plans, why aren't you and Biden doing them right now?

She really didn't give anyone a convincing reason to vote for her beyond "I'm not Trump", and that's not nearly enough to win after what we've all been through the past four years. The government's response to victims of Helene couldn't have come at a better time for Trump.

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relying entirely on the #girlboss demographic while almost intentionally trying to alienate everyone else

Since Hillary, Democrats have been trying to recreate the "Obama coalition". They think anything they do that alienates white men will somehow help them with minorities and women. If you look at the actual Obama coalition it included a lot of white men because he was careful to not piss us off.

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Does anyone actually care about celebrity endorsements? And if yes, why are these people allowed to vote?

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I want to say no, but then I remember all the wiggers I've met who believe that Tupac was a philosopher on the level of Plato.

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Man I hate white people :(

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Yeah, this is what sealed it. Kamala couldn't give an honest position on anything, because of her history of flip flopping and her obsession with calling out Trump instead of saying what she would do better.

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