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So many reddit insult references are from twenty years ago. Like the 'body has ways to shut that down' is a quote from someone completely unrelated about a completely unrelated subject, but no, /u/shokzer thinks now is a good time to pretend getting murdered is like getting pregnant after being r*ped.
Their heads are just snippets of everything that has ever made them outraged, floating around. And they all apply to anyone they don't like.
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shoutout MO house rep todd Akin for that one
"If it's a legitimate r*pe, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Akin
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They're such disingenuous cute twinks. I remember now that actually the main crux of their mockery was that they thought the word "legitimate" (whereby he obviously meant an authentic claim of being r*ped) meant that he thought some r*pes were justified.
Wikipedia says: The term "legitimate r*pe" was called "loathsome" because it suggests that "there are different categories of r*pe – some real and awful and others that are not".
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You're missing the point. They know what he meant, just like the "alternative facts" example. They know he wasn't saying there are legitimate and illegitimate r*pes where they're all r*pes, but some have good excuses. He was saying if it was an actual, and not just purported, case of r*pe.
Why were they more fixated on that then the substance of what he said? Maybe because it's a contraction in terms to have a "legitimate r*pe", but the notion that pregnancy is less likely when a person is actually r*ped is true? And leftists are so fricking intellectually bankrupt that they will virtually always differ to lying rather than debating anyone.
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no, the quote is crazy even how you take the "legitimate"
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I think it was a dumb thing to say on TV, but the context helps. As usual, pro-lifers are met with the go-to argument about it being immoral to be against abortion in all cases. After all, some people are r*ped and should they be forced to carry their male feminist's baby? It may be an outlier case, but it's probably the most popular one that people bring to the table in a debate.
So, his response is trying to situate the example in the larger picture. R*pe is a very uncommon reason that people seek abortions in the first place and, in part, because pregnancy is an unlikely result of a r*pe for a large set of reasons including that the act of r*pe itself is traumatic.
Consider that, in contrast to a person trying to get pregnant, a r*pe is more likely to occur when a woman isn't fertile, with the woman on hormonal birth control, with the man using a condom, with attempts to immediately remove sperm, and so on and so forth.
One additional thing he mentions, without elaboration, is that the body has ways to "shut it down" or something like that, which obviously sounds weird. But, as I mentioned in another comment, an extremely stressful event, like being r*ped, can actually interfere with fertility in a variety of ways.
tl;dr It's dumb to center a rebuttal on this point and it's not well phrased, but the overall point that r*pe leading to pregnancy is a miniscule cause of abortions in America is correct and so is the narrower point that the the body's typical response to r*pe discourages (but obviously doesn't necessarily prevent) pregnancy.
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rightoid state of mid
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he didn't say that at all though
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I explained the context. Doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but at least you can understand the point and not an r-slured strawman of it. I don't think it addresses the argument in principle anyways.
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What the frick does this mean?
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On a grammatical level or you're confused by the concept that aspects of being r*ped, like a massive increase in stress levels, affect chances of conception (or miscarriage assuming pregnancy happens)?
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Even if we pretend that the body's stress response (supposedly) lowers fertility after r*pe, it's not the body's way of "shutting it down" in the case of a forcible r*pe.
The original idea makes little sense anyways because plenty of wartime r*pe babies existed (and still exist). Unless you got proof otherwise it's clear that whatever loss in fertility caused by the stress of r*pe isn't significant.
There's no point in trying to perform mental gymnastics to defend the original point. Even in the most charitable reading that the idea that the stress of r*pe makes women infertile is bullshit and implies that the r*pe babies are incredibly unlikely happen, which isn't true. They don't make up the majority of abortion cases, but that's irrelevant here since the debate is about whether abortion should be legal at all or not.
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No pretending necessary. It's universally recognized by medical experts that extreme stress can cause major issues for fertility. If you Google "Akin body shuts down pregnancy debunked" you can come up with things like Wikipedia citing a newspaper article that says he probably had "spastic tubes" theory in mind, and that's false! GOTTEM! Except there's zero reason to think he had in mind something like that which no one has ever heard of instead of the unquestionable mechanism that every doctor has. There also isn't any reason to think he meant it was impossible as opposed to just less likely.
Well, what about Genghis Khan and his 10 million descendants? Wasn't he raping everybody left and right? Kind of, but that's not particularly relevant to the modern western world. If you have dozens of enslaved concubines in context where you can do so with impunity and you habitually r*pe them and there's no birth control methods, of course pregnancy will eventually result in most of these women. There's not many parallels to that in modern society. You could look at examples like Josef Fritzl who keep his daughter as a prisoner in his basement, but obviously they are few and far between.
In present day America, if you have a incident of forceable r*pe, you have to have a confluence of many factors for the incident to lead to a successful pregnancy such as: the woman being fertile in the first place, her not being on hormonal birth control, the male feminist not using a condom to help conceal his identity, him having adequate sperm quality and motility, it being in the narrow window in the cycle where conception can happen, steps not being taken to remove sperm or using emergency contraception (like Plan B), and the various effects of extreme stress from r*pe not interfering with conception, implantation, or causing a miscarriage.
Lastly, I also already agreed in another comment that it doesn't really address the point. Suppose that .1% of abortions are due to r*pe, so that it's a vanishingly small amount. Okay, well, what about it? Why should a r*ped person be forced to keep that pregnancy? If it's a small injustice in the big picture, then likewise abortions of these babies would be a small injustice in the big picture too, I mean, as a statistical consideration. So, it just doesn't really answer the question that well for the people in that situation, as long as you grant they exist, and I'm sure he does.
P.S. Here's a good overview of the effect of stress that mentions many studies: https://www.babycenter.com/getting-pregnant/how-to-get-pregnant/can-stress-get-in-the-way-of-getting-pregnant_1336350
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no the main crux was the idea that women can just will themselves to not get pregnant when r*ped lmao
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That would be the substantive point to address, but not what the conversation was focused on at the time since it's easier for braindead leftists to strawman.
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I remember when he said that and all my liberal friends thought it was r-slurred because obviously women cannot will themselves to not get pregnant. It showed a stunning lack of knowledge about the very basics of sexuality and pregnancy.
Maybe your liberal friends or online spaces or w/e were more r-slurred but most people thought it was r-slurred for the reason I mentioned.
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Reddit is my main exposure to liberal people, and don't get me wrong, there were comments about both, but more focus was on the idea that he was saying there are legitimate r*pes, in addition to illegitimate ones. It's like the "alternative facts" example I mentioned. Of course, there can only be one set of self-consistent real facts, but there can also be alternative sets of claimed facts or information the other side is working with, which is what she meant.
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Sorry, but my experience was consistent with
@tempest's. The main thing my friends mocked was the scientific illiteracy of the idea that a woman can simply stop -- with confidence -- certain pregnancies from starting. !nonchuds
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Coincidentally, I just came across a reference to Akin in a StupidPol post about the Romanian election of all places. Not that they're typical leftists at all, but here's the comment:
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So he indeed was a journ*list?
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Ironically the bit about the gays frogs was correct.
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I saw someone mention this on a front page Reddit post the other day and it had countless replies debooooonking it because ackshully hermaphrodite frogs aren't gay and gayness is a human construct.
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also theres no way that those same chemcials are affecting people alomg with all.the endocrine disrupting chemicals in the water, and
folx are just more common bc of brave and valid acceptance
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Sexually active hermaphrodite frogs are by definition gay frogs. The bigoted redditor dislikes this.
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Blah blah blah endocrine bows to the gay frog explanation
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That's what gets me. A lot of their talking points are pure bullshit and don't stand to even a little scrutiny and good faith understanding. But they will have neither.
Alex talks a lot of stupid shit, but that's why you should be easily able to find some of that stupid shit to make fun of him, instead of the few things he is correct about, albeit slightly exagarrated for comedic effect
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if only the gay frog thing wasn't real
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His name was jamie white
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The whites get attacked again
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GOOD
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Two of those are by my accounts. Can you guess which ones?
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Whichever ones love fellating random men the most, is my guess.
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If you did the one I commented about, then good work at making your bait.
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The gay one?
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Can I boil your toes?
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The gay ones
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Good, TJD
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AJAB
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No betting thread?
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Hildawg personally blasted him after emerging from the bushes in disguise like Agent 47
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!slots333
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she has fallen on hard times then
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She's like a retired pro athlete with multiple rings, an appearance in the Olympics, and all the great feats accomplished, now just playing charity golf tournaments for that little sense of purpose.
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it was Texas so also
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Anyway, when does March Madness start?
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"A liberal is a conservative who has been arrested."
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