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terrorism: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

An entire "law" subreddit fighting the simple literal dictionary definition of a term lol

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Finally, someone actually addressing the legal question in /r/law

It's defined in 18 USC 2331(5):

(5) the term "domestic terrorism" means activities that-

(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

(B) appear to be intended-

(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;

Whether this constitutes terrorism then depends on what status Elon Musk has.

Let's say for the sake of argument that these acts are dangerous to human life (although obviously spray painting a swastika on a dealership isn't :smugjak: ). If he is just a private citizen, then he clearly doesn't qualify as "a civilian population". He's just one person. And if he is a private citizen, then intimidating him cannot be expect to impact the policy of a government.

On the other hand, if he is an officer of the United States, then it's possible those acts would satisfy this definition.

But then of course he would need to be confirmed by the senate.

redditors wilfully ignoring the fact that dealerships are being shot up, set on fire, and one person was even caught with explosives

whether or not musk is classed as a civilian, trying to blow up tesla dealerships is obviously attempting to coerce people to not buy them (even ignoring the threats that get sent to current tesla owners and the vandalism of peoples personal vehicles) as well as clearly trying to send a message to coerce the US gov to remove musk's involvement

so it meets (a) (b.i) (b.ii) and (c), therefore it's domestic terrorism and your little gotcha about whether musk is a civilian is irrelevant /u/entered_bubble_50

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whether musk is a civilian is irrelevant

they are fricking with normal peoples cars, normal people work at the dealership, normal people are firefighters that have to put out the on fire cars...they are doing this to exact some sort terror to musk, even though it is normal people that have to deal with the destruction of their vehicles, and it is terrifying them...

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Uhm they're Nazis driving Nazi cars

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They aren't trying to coerce people to not buy them, they're trying to economically damage Elon

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it's both, people have gotten threatened for owning teslas too :marseyshrug:

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True. So dumb too. Redditors don't realize that selling a Tesla requires someone to buy it, and that person will simply become the target of vandalism.

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wow. i guess all violent protestors are terrorists

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Contrary to chud belief, a lot of the people at BLM protests weren't terrorists, they just wanted a free TV from target and to burn shit for fun, who doesn't like burning shit for fun?

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thats the determijient tho. If ypu burned target down is specifically bc you wanted whitey to feel scared then its terrorism, butt if you jist wanted clown on tsrget and steal a tv then its just burglary/theft/arson minus the terror charge. These folx burning down the tesla dealership without having someother plausible deniability reason like stealing a tesla is not great for their legal defense.

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"Your honor, I just wanted to steal the cybertruck because I like it, I don't know what these gross deformed people with tattoos and colored hair were doing there, I am not a terrorist"

:#gigachad4:

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does trying to forcefully occupy a legislative building count as violent intimidation?

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Not if you're too r-slurred to know why you're doing it

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what if it was just to "stop the vote"?

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I was just trying to inhibit Congress from doing their job based on my inability to understand the constitution and my willingness to believe everything I'm told by someone who promised that they are nothing like the other politicians

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Neighbor they were asked to leave and left. They even followed the rope rails.

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Like CHAZ?

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j6ers were r-slurred...but after watching months of the summer of love peaceful yet fiery protests being praised by the news, can you blame them for thinking a march into the capital could be a mid winter of loves...

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Law has long replaced the constitution with trans lives matter

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Holy shit, they're sweeping it up hard in that thread. Like 800 deleted comments.

https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/law/comments/1j90a1z/_/#comment-info

What. The. Frick.

From the admin that blanket-pardoned thousands of domestic terrorists.

See the difference is they attacked the Capitol, not a Tesla dealership, so it was totally fine

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How the heck do you get censored by reddit for posting "Elon and the really special orange guy need to be removed from the board."? Trump constantly harps about how he's going to be running the country like a CEO. We're not even allowed to say that Trump shouldn't be president anymore without risking being censored. Wonderful.

Wait, thats all he said and it got censored?! WHAT THE HECK.

Reddit admins sucking the orange dong for sure

Yeah I have no sympathy for any Trump voter and won't for the rest of my life. These idiots are the scum of the earth and are so stupid they can be played like a god darn fiddle and they are gleeful about it.

Now watch as one of them whines that I wasn't nice while their daddy is taking freedom of speech away from American citizens. Eat my shorts.

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you got removed by reddit...

It's because they said "When laws no longer protect us… [fill in the blank]". They didn't even threaten violence; they simply stated a fact of the inevitable consequence of laws no longer protecting the people. It could actually be interpreted in multiple ways.

But, you know, Reddit likes to censor anything that they perceive as violence now. Not that they'll tell you what they consider violent. Watch your tongue or they'll cut it out.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences, sweaties.

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:#marseysowsmug: :#marseyreapcrying:

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I love that libs have embraced the most conservative "blame the r*pe victim" line ever

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>destruction of specific property and attacks for political reasons

Sounds like terrorism to me :marseyshrug:

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whats funny is that if they went full :marseyblm: and looted/robbed the tesla dealership itd be harder to place terrorism chafges bc itd muddy the intent/ mens rea :marseyxd:

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Protip, when doing hate crimes always loudly say it was because they're ugly and wore an ugly outfit and not because theyre neighbors

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>dumping tea into a harbor

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You're only a terrorist if you fail :marseyshrug:

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This is standard, right? Very similar tactics of the Weather Underground.

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The far-left groups of the 70s killed more black people.

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also one of them, Susan Rosenberg, became the treasurer head money launderer of BLM and helped ruin even more Black lives

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-terrorist-rosenberg/

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isn't that exactly what it is?

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Trans lives matter says no

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We need to start labelling violent crimes as domestic terrorism.

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honestly i don't know why congress thinks they have the power to make laws in regards to "domestic" terrorists. under what clause would that fall?

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18, Necessary and Proper, would probably be the argument. That's the justification for criminal drug scheduling and tax evasion being a crime

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criminal drug scheduling

actually that's ultimately done under the interstate commerce clause.

despite the fact that me locally growing a plant (or mixing compounds) for personal consumption is neither "interstate" nor "commerce"

tax evasion being a crime

well i mean that makes sense in the light of trying to uphold another specifically expressed power: to tax and spend for both defense and general welfare.

what power is "domestic terrorism" trying uphold? ei, there should be some justification other than just necessary and proper. "necessary and proper" is not grounds for general legislative ability.

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any act of violence :marseyww1russian1: that can't be twisted :marseybdtf: into self defense should :marseynorm: automatically be labeled as domestic :marseybatteredwoman: terrorism :marseybeanangryfbi: tbh

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Its not terrorism when we do it

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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

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