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Future war is gonna be so dramatic:

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Is there any scenario where sending soldiers on jetpack would work? At any useful altitude or bearable speed they'd be sitting ducks for basic small arms fire from the ground, no? :marseyconfused:

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Scouts?

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It could be useful for a shock troop type assault. Or even as a additional capability while patrolling, if they were small enough.

Now, combat drones and regular infantry are probably a better use of resources. There's likely some applications though.

You have to think it through on how it would add value in combat.

So in a typical assault, it could be used to quickly emplace a machine gun team, especially in areas like Afghanistan, it could be used to quickly navigate obstacles that would take hours walking.

Maybe if you can get it up with a 203 or a lightened MK19, you could really frick some shit up in a short amount of time. 12k is probably too high for someone to target you with small arms and if you empty a compliment of HEDP, they're not going to be really happy.

Your approach could also be masked by smoke, although FLIR will probably be even more common since everything has gotten relatively easier to access.

The gravity suit can go up to FL12, so 12k feet and 85mph or faster (I'm betting faster, actually).

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Huh that's significantly faster and higher than I thought they could go. Assuming fuel issue can be managed they could be useful yeah. Would be a massive help in mountain warfare generally.

Frick I hope Chinks don't develop them.

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If China had a democratic government it would certainly outperform the U.S. on industrial stuff. They already have a vastly superior manufacturing sector. The good news is that authoritarian states are inherently unstable and hamstring themselves to maintain control. We see Chinese rifles keyholing paper targets at 10 meters and Chinese tank barrels wobbling as they drive across flat surfaces. Chinese AT weapons glow like World of Warcraft items when fired. But nobody can challenge the manufacturers for delivering garbage, because:

1. the system doesn't guarantee due process for whistleblowers or witnesses, and

2. to maintain control, the party elite must cultivate personal patronage relationships with business and military figures.

So in other words, a crooked arms supplier or general on the take is more valuable to Xi than an engineer with a conscience, and there are no limits to how Xi can punish the engineer.

Result: nobody speaks up and a wonderful manufacturing sector sells total shit to the state.

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I'm sure there's quality issues but they have a export competitive arms industry, 4th largest at present. Similar issues existed in USSR too and they still had a solid arms industry.

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Very true, they aren't harmless. Although as a non-western-centric comment, I expect that India's weapons programs will humiliate the Chinese at some point. Autocracies have a very bad track record for beating democracies at procurement.

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itll look cool as shit and the enemy will be like "i want a jetpack too" then immediately defect

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I feel like this just makes you a massive target.

So, like, give it to the guy no one likes "you get to use the cool jet pack!" and while the enemy blasts him you make your move

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Could be useful for a dragoon-type thing: you're not expecting them to fight in the jetpacks, but they could use them to get somewhere the enemy isn't expecting and then just take the jetpacks off and be conventional ground troops there.

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Jetpack troops are going to play a major role in the independence war of the American moon colony.

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Assassinations?

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What advantage does using a jetpack soldier have? :marseyconfused: That a drone for example won't.

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Ability to make split moment decisions that aren't subject to the latency of a video feed? Being able to go beyond the tether reach of a drone? I'm thinking of flying 20 or 30 miles off coast to shoot some rich guy in his yacht the assisted swimming back using one of those stomach mounted propellers.

That way the evidence floats to the bottom of the sea and you get a clean exit.

IDK just spitballing

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I doubt they can fly very far, human body isn't particularly aerodynamic so they'll likely be consuming a lot of fuel and there's not a lot of space to store it on a man.

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You can strap fuel canisters to your legs. It can work bro trust me

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Scouting?

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Drones can do it for far cheaper

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But will it be as funny when they get sniped?

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I can only imagine extremely specific scenarios in urban combat where it would be safer to go over one building to get to the other side rather than around on the ground, and enemy combatants don't know you have the jet pack.

So I guess it would be very effective at clearing one corner in a dense city block, one single time. Then after that you're the equivalent of a red barrel in a FPS game

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Jet packs would be bulky to carry and loud to use. Would probably be more effective to carry a drone with a payload.

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Naval boarding and not much else.

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weekendgunnit supersoldier

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@atf this is not a stock :marseywallst:

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I want to see a company of jet pack troopers get ripped to shreds by a quad .50

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The future of war.

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with jet packs we can ensphere (enhemisphere) the enemy instead of merely encircling them

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Pretty sure the future of war is millions of shitty suicide drones.

Those things are insane. They basically enable any army, no matter how outmatched to inflict serious losses.

Its gonna get worse and worse too. They'll be fully automated. We're gonna have AI driven hunter killer drones flying around command and conquer style.

And it will apply to everything - even missile defense. Imagine a swarm of hundreds of thousands if not millions of explosive micro drones forming a net over a large area and just cucking missiles, planes etc.

This is actually something the f-35 was imagined to do, command a fleet of drones.

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this tidbit of defense analysis brought to you by Adderall and too many video games

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Not really, I'd bet anything the government id already working on defensive drone swarms. And it was talked about in relation to the f-35.

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Tbh most the enemies we are going to actually fight these days aren't actually nations but militant groups who don't give a frick about civilian casualties like we will due to optics. So, you need to take out pockets of them on a block in a city there's the threat they'll just blow it all up.

What we're seeing here will never be deployed, but if they can't keep moving the tech forward I could see it being a more tactical way to insert troops into areas that are to hard to land in with a giant helicopter or roping, so basically a helicopter could stay much higher and jetpack chads could come down to exactly where they need to be.

I also have never been in the military and have no idea what I'm talking about, but shits still cool

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brb playing red alert 2 again

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Extremely entertained!

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:marseyworried: war has changed

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But war never changes

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It used to never change, but that has changed.

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yeah we knew that when the Patriot 3 battery was destroyed by Russian fires, and tanks began to be taken out by man-portable drones from beyond the horizon

humans in warfare are obsolete now

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The whole point of war is to kill humans though. Its just how effectively humans will be able to fight back is the question.

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No comrade, the point of war is to get other countries to do what you want them to do.

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...through violebce and killing. Get another country to do what you want with out killing is called diplomacy.

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...and war is the pointy end of diplomacy.

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Well if were getting semantical then all that falls under the umbrella of politics which is by definition the distribution and allocation of scarce resources, or better stated who lives and who dies.

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right, and fewer people on goodguy side dies because we have autonomous unmaned aerial weapons now

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fewer people on goodguy side dies

relative to badguys side, and that is done by killing more people on badguys side by comparison... So at the end of the day war is about killing people.

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Nah. Everytime there is a new weapon of war added to the arsenal all it means is that the meat grinder just gets a tad bit faster. In truth there will never be a war where grunts aren't digging trenches or holed away in some destroyed building with nothing but a rifle, and bucket on his head. This goes especially for poorer nations.

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This way of total war started with advent of democracy. If everyone has a voice in governance then effectively everyone becomes party to a declaration of war. Every citizen an asset that needs to dealt with.

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people still drive old cars too, that doesn't mean they're not obsolete

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lmao my capeshit marseys from >2 years ago

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My capeshit from 30 years ago

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>when you sneeze and shoot your own legs

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mmt of

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