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gatekeeping le sexy s*x and the nuclear family
@Corinthian was that you? I think you could unironically cause a lot of seethe on reddit baiting them by just being yourself.
What is nuclear family? It's an industrial bullshit.Raise a joint family if you are so called trad.
There's no such thing as a nuclear family. Even the ads they posted in the 50s and 60s the entire families looked dead inside.
"This will work if we all conform to this! Put that frickin smile on Timmy, we're headed to church to love everyone except those colored people cuz that's what I think my God wants and it's good person stuff"
Edit: not 50s and 60s. Need fact check but before then maybe 20s to 50s? Whatever the idea was drilled into my dad's head but he is 72
What exactly redditors want when they 
about the nuclear family?
They want grandma and grandpa near to help along uncles? Sounds great but how is that in conflict with the "nuclear family" or why does it make the nuclear family bad?
Or do they mean "the new quirky friends I made and my polyamorous partners are le family" 
The idea of a 'nuclear family' being the end all be all of social organization is such a ridiculous idea to have if you have any historical knowledge or context at all.
There are literally countless examples of people and cultures throughout history with vastly different family dynamics, societies where children are raised communally or with multiple sets of parents were a REGULARITY in the ancient world. As a matter of well documented historic fact, the concept of a 'Nuclear Family' has literally only existed since the 1920's. The human race has been surviving without the concept of a nuclear family for vastly longer than it has.
What does "raised communally" even means? The extended families of the old days closely knitted and distrustful, where do they get that communally bullshit? And there were still parents and children, and the parents always did most of the work of raising them. Why so much anger?
Reddit is crawling with these churchy types complaining about promiscuity or "porn addiction" nonstop, it's so weird.
NOOOOO THERE'S NO PORN ADDICTION 
People like this are ridiculous.
It's like they can't decide if they want to be Utilitarian or hardcore Catholic Republic.
Insisting that the only "good" someone can do is making progress towards the betterment of society in itself is fricking stupid; if I save a dying kid am I a bad person because that didn't contribute towards the progress of my society? If I'm gay am I bad person because I can't produce more kids for the progression of society?
It's such a stupid and often self contradictory philosophy.
!nooticers reminder most /r/gatekeeping users are likely foids judging by their stemcel aversion and the fact most of them are psychology majors.
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Almost all cultures boiled down to nuclear family, except you'd stay closer to your extended family I guess, so that's kind of communal.
The only real communal child rearing societies I can think of would be isolated farm colonies like Amish or Hutterites
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The Spartans were highly communal in raising child
sold.. kids
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So the best examples are ted-pilled religious nuts (Amish) and ancient proto-fascist greeks?
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Comanche Indians also kidnapped children
and raised 
them to fight 
for the tribe. But only those around 6-13 any younger or older and they'd kill them
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Bussy blasted by Thebes
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furthermore, how many of those societies built the modern world?
how many cultures sustained the greatest era of scientific and civilizational improvement ever?
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Chink families are the ultimate nuclear family.
Zoomer chinks have no siblings and no uncles or aunts.
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The one contributing factor to the nosedive in mental health that younger generations have experienced that I never see discussed in mainstream outlets is family size, but that would force sociology/psychology/psychiatrycels to acknowledge that their role in society has been harmful in contributing to the delegitimization of parents and traditional values in favor of an expert class.
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Honestly it's not just the family size, but quality as well. There are many dysfunctional large families which are super toxic and there are many lovable small families, but I agree that close knitted functional large families are great for mental health.
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Another possible perspective is that having lots of siblings dilutes the burden of parental expectations
so on one side of the spectrum you have some r-selected species like crickets or something, where parents don't really give a shit about any given individual offspring and most of them starve
and at the other end there's all the one child policy
kids whose parents devote all of their time to them, but also demand excellence in every way, leading them to 
Kind of hard to articulate this, but the ideal would be having enough kids that it doesn't matter if they aren't all successful in all of their endeavors, but not so many that they have to raise themselves and don't get any investment from you
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I think I get what you mean, but the problem is that large families like in the old days are not feasible anymore, at least not unless you're well-off. Middle-class couples don't have the resources nor the time to raise 5+ children, especially if the wife also has to work to provide. In the old days rural couples had 10 children because they were assets (even if modern contraception wasn't available, urban families were always much smaller), they helped them run their farms and the eldest kids would take care of the younger ones, it was never about making the kids happy or comfortable.
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Yeah, that's sort of what I was trying to get at with the last bit - "not so many that they have to raise themselves (probably should've said each other here lol) and don't get any investment from you"
tbh I don't even think I could handle raising more than 3 kids while also making sure that each one doesn't grow up to be a reddit soy
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Yeah something like 2.1 kids
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Wouldn't having more siblings and extended family members present in your life insulate you from the potential toxicity of individual members and ensure you have a better shot at healthy role models being around?
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Not if you have terrible careless parents making your siblings just as awful (drunkards, wifebeaters, or simply careless selfish people), in those cases toxicity is self-reinforcing.
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Have you ever heard the parable of the apple barrel?
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No
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The Amish are very Patriarchal though, the husband/father is the ultimate leader of its household.
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Yeah but the children tend to do a lot of activities together with all the other children, they don't spend all day with their families
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Kibbutz
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That's certainly not how any Amish I'm familiar with work.
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It's how hutterites do things so I made assumptions
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