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gatekeeping le sexy s*x and the nuclear family
@Corinthian was that you? I think you could unironically cause a lot of seethe on reddit baiting them by just being yourself.
What is nuclear family? It's an industrial bullshit.Raise a joint family if you are so called trad.
There's no such thing as a nuclear family. Even the ads they posted in the 50s and 60s the entire families looked dead inside.
"This will work if we all conform to this! Put that frickin smile on Timmy, we're headed to church to love everyone except those colored people cuz that's what I think my God wants and it's good person stuff"
Edit: not 50s and 60s. Need fact check but before then maybe 20s to 50s? Whatever the idea was drilled into my dad's head but he is 72
What exactly redditors want when they 
about the nuclear family?
They want grandma and grandpa near to help along uncles? Sounds great but how is that in conflict with the "nuclear family" or why does it make the nuclear family bad?
Or do they mean "the new quirky friends I made and my polyamorous partners are le family" 
The idea of a 'nuclear family' being the end all be all of social organization is such a ridiculous idea to have if you have any historical knowledge or context at all.
There are literally countless examples of people and cultures throughout history with vastly different family dynamics, societies where children are raised communally or with multiple sets of parents were a REGULARITY in the ancient world. As a matter of well documented historic fact, the concept of a 'Nuclear Family' has literally only existed since the 1920's. The human race has been surviving without the concept of a nuclear family for vastly longer than it has.
What does "raised communally" even means? The extended families of the old days closely knitted and distrustful, where do they get that communally bullshit? And there were still parents and children, and the parents always did most of the work of raising them. Why so much anger?
Reddit is crawling with these churchy types complaining about promiscuity or "porn addiction" nonstop, it's so weird.
NOOOOO THERE'S NO PORN ADDICTION 
People like this are ridiculous.
It's like they can't decide if they want to be Utilitarian or hardcore Catholic Republic.
Insisting that the only "good" someone can do is making progress towards the betterment of society in itself is fricking stupid; if I save a dying kid am I a bad person because that didn't contribute towards the progress of my society? If I'm gay am I bad person because I can't produce more kids for the progression of society?
It's such a stupid and often self contradictory philosophy.
!nooticers reminder most /r/gatekeeping users are likely foids judging by their stemcel aversion and the fact most of them are psychology majors.
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you're not a bad person for being gay
you're a bad person for not shoving it deep down, marrying a foid, and having kids anyway
but not everyone is or has to be a totally 'good' person
the redditor can't accept that.
he must be a good person, so he just changes his worldview and beliefs till he finds a new definition of good that fits his behavior, instead of the other way around
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NGL this is like the worst option for everyone involved. Leads to a miserable relationship which provides a warped veiw of love for kids. If you are gonna do the trad cath "erm being gay isnt wrong but acting on it is!" argument then being a highly productive celibate which serves your community is better then mere procreation and trapping a woman and children in a loveless marriage.
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marriage is about duty and commitment. love is a 19st century invention
we are meant to sacrifice for our children. to sacrifice for society at large.
part of that duty is being a good hustbnad/wife even if you've lost or never had that 'spark'
that includes not having a miserable relationship and providing a proper childhood for your kids
maybe that's extreme, but so is this modern 'worship of the self' culture
where we just do whatever the frick we want all the time, give and concede nothing, and hope things work out
will a generation of onlyfans moms provide a clear view of love to they kids? they sure felt that spark with chad/tyrone.
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That's why both spouses blatantly cheat on each other in arranged marriages.
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So were vaccines (they work
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New stuff is better
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Let's be honest, most of the redditors we mock (r/antinatalism posters) would make terrible parents, so it's a relief they're not procreating.
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When we were in charge the cuteandvalid's made great art or translated obscure texts in the library of a monastery. I think that the societal reinforcement that homosexual inclinations are your "identity" and fixed/immutable have not been friendly to would-be celibate Christians.
If you read the John Jay report from Hopkins that the USCCB published you can actually track the explosion in the rate of child abuse with the rise of the post-60s free love and gay rights movements.
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I don't think you want to go into the "gays made great priests" territory ngl
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Not all monks are priests and I said monastery.
Presently men with a history of homosexual behavior are not accepted to enter into the priesthood due to the pederasty scandals of the 20th century, and I'm not sure that will be lifted in our lifetime.
Catholics have to date not conceded that people even can be "gay" the way you're saying, though. We all have sinful desires but that doesn't define us, our behaviors and inherent dignity having been made in the image of God do.
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All them strags just stay in the closet regardless
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You really think they're shopping for a good that commends them rather than naturally taking that lived experience and finding a worldview that makes sense within it?
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but if you aren't bettering society what are you?
you can be 'good' by your own definition you make up but if you aren't affecting anyone else what use is that
its everyone else that defines you as good or not
the redditor isn't content with living his own miserable life
everyone else must know and agree that he's good.
in that context you don't get to set the definition of good
unless of course you can convince enough ppl to agree
this whole thing is the dregs of society getting uppity and demanding they be equal to firefighters, doctors, servicemen, etc.
by arguing the things everyone agrees are bad are actually good and the good things meaningless
I know my place
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Be a pillar of your community or educate the world or be the gay uncle, shit
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sure but if you be the unc
you don't get to dictate morality on a internet forum
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That's where you're wrong. I will give strags relationship advice from a position of complete ignorance and you can't stop me. I'll retrain as a Catholic priest and I'll tell them that Jesus wants them to take as many bulls as they can find.
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hi grue happy monday
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How's your Monday been?
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pretty good I slept in a little bit
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Imma bad b-word
!cuteandvalid
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Theres really no such thing as a good enough person aside from Jesus Christ. CHRIST did tell us to sin no more and to repent of our sins yet he would forgive us if we're truly remorseful. How can one be repentent if theyre fantisizing about s*x or openly endorsing or bragging about their previous promiscuity? We mock God with our pride
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This thread is bringing out some great posting.
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All I know is on my death bed I'm gonna believe really hard and get into heaven
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The nuclear family has actually ravaged society.
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!sophistry take
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No, it pretty objectively has lol. It works out for the wealthy but has absolutely fractured lower income families.
This isnt some insane take, the onset of the nuclear family has caused all kinds of problems.
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Wtf, I love the nuclear family even more now
!neolibs
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Good!
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So what's the ideal family structure? Extended families/multiple nuclear families in one household? Polycuckery? Throw the kids in an arena and let god sort it out?
(Serious question, I lean towards the first because it can be pretty nice depending on the size of the household and also the third because poor kids SHOULD be forced to fight to survive)
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the ideal family structure is wagecucking for your gf who then leaves you for another man
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Extended families are the best scenario, but not everyone lives near their parents and siblings. People move a lot because of work nowadays and no one is gonna trust their neighbors to help them raise their kids lol. I guess close friends of the parents can be sort of uncles.
People pooping on the "nuclear family" have no realistic alternative besides relatives and grandparents lending a hand if they live nearby, the nuclear family is a product of modernity and urbanization.
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Yeah, it is unrealistic to expect that nobody in your family ever moves out of town for work or school (I guess that there are towns in which there is a decent+achievable university and/or a big employer, but these are getting to be less and less common).
Closely knit extended families in general are good with the caveat that they aren't achievable for everybody (also v annoying if you have a bitchy matriarch
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For every extended family that offers support there's an oppressive and landed clan where the elders have no real empathy for the youth. They view them as resources who should do as they're told because they're indebted to clan by virtue of existing. Families becoming large and proud leads to thirdie shit like honor killings and being exiled because you married wrong.
And besides, the reason extended families gave way to nuclear families is quite simply because of freedom of movement. People move around the country to get better jobs. Simple as.
So how would we rebuild the extended family? You'd have to deny people the ability to move cities.
Also Pizza himself left his Florida family to go live in Portland didn't he?
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I linked an article on it.
The general idea is nuclear families are far more vulnerable to shocks.
We'd probably see a lot fewer homeless and a lot less crazy on the streets if we still had large extended families.
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Yeah they could be making their whole family miserable every day instead
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Well, we haven't tried it yet
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The fox who longed for grapes, beholds with pain
The tempting clusters were too high to gain;
Grieved in his heart he forced a careless smile,
And cried, 'They're sharp and hardly worth my while.'
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/r/im14andthisisdeep
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This opinion always comes from people abused by their parents or siblings
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How so?
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Funny enough I think David Brooks has a good take on it:
This iss what the BLM tards were trying to say. Naturally, conservatives, being poorly educated started reeing about communism without actually understanding why so many leftists dislike the nuclear family.
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[Citation Needed]
Almost all cultures boiled down to nuclear family, except you'd stay closer to your extended family I guess, so that's kind of communal.
The only real communal child rearing societies I can think of would be isolated farm colonies like Amish or Hutterites
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furthermore, how many of those societies built the modern world?
how many cultures sustained the greatest era of scientific and civilizational improvement ever?
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Chink families are the ultimate nuclear family.
Zoomer chinks have no siblings and no uncles or aunts.
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The one contributing factor to the nosedive in mental health that younger generations have experienced that I never see discussed in mainstream outlets is family size, but that would force sociology/psychology/psychiatrycels to acknowledge that their role in society has been harmful in contributing to the delegitimization of parents and traditional values in favor of an expert class.
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Honestly it's not just the family size, but quality as well. There are many dysfunctional large families which are super toxic and there are many lovable small families, but I agree that close knitted functional large families are great for mental health.
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Another possible perspective is that having lots of siblings dilutes the burden of parental expectations
so on one side of the spectrum you have some r-selected species like crickets or something, where parents don't really give a shit about any given individual offspring and most of them starve
and at the other end there's all the one child policy
kids whose parents devote all of their time to them, but also demand excellence in every way, leading them to 
Kind of hard to articulate this, but the ideal would be having enough kids that it doesn't matter if they aren't all successful in all of their endeavors, but not so many that they have to raise themselves and don't get any investment from you
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I think I get what you mean, but the problem is that large families like in the old days are not feasible anymore, at least not unless you're well-off. Middle-class couples don't have the resources nor the time to raise 5+ children, especially if the wife also has to work to provide. In the old days rural couples had 10 children because they were assets (even if modern contraception wasn't available, urban families were always much smaller), they helped them run their farms and the eldest kids would take care of the younger ones, it was never about making the kids happy or comfortable.
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Yeah, that's sort of what I was trying to get at with the last bit - "not so many that they have to raise themselves (probably should've said each other here lol) and don't get any investment from you"
tbh I don't even think I could handle raising more than 3 kids while also making sure that each one doesn't grow up to be a reddit soy
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Yeah something like 2.1 kids
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Wouldn't having more siblings and extended family members present in your life insulate you from the potential toxicity of individual members and ensure you have a better shot at healthy role models being around?
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Not if you have terrible careless parents making your siblings just as awful (drunkards, wifebeaters, or simply careless selfish people), in those cases toxicity is self-reinforcing.
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Have you ever heard the parable of the apple barrel?
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No
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The Spartans were highly communal in raising child
sold.. kids
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So the best examples are ted-pilled religious nuts (Amish) and ancient proto-fascist greeks?
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Comanche Indians also kidnapped children
and raised 
them to fight 
for the tribe. But only those around 6-13 any younger or older and they'd kill them
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Bussy blasted by Thebes
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The Amish are very Patriarchal though, the husband/father is the ultimate leader of its household.
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Yeah but the children tend to do a lot of activities together with all the other children, they don't spend all day with their families
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Kibbutz
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That's certainly not how any Amish I'm familiar with work.
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It's how hutterites do things so I made assumptions
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Gatekeeping has lost all meaning
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I don't post on reddit outside of the Catholic subs and occasionally TrueChristian (and I'm actually not very active because I just end up arguing with TradCath conspiracy theorists about V2).
While the first paragraph could've been from me I think the tone of the second paragraph has some differences from how I
in that I don't usually call people bad directly I just say that their behavior is. We're all fallen and in equal need of repentance, and given my own past I'm not really in a position to make a value judgment without qualifiers. Otherwise I support this brave soul for fighting the good fight. 
The near future of society is so bleak given that these attitudes are pervasive and growing.
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You are a such a sweetie!
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the level of cope is unreal. if you want to live with your polyamorous childfree goon commune or whatever, don't act like you're the one who has a coherent moral system lol. Just be upfront and admit that you want to live a hedonistic lifestyle
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"So what are you saying? Just because I'm going against an explicit belief of your religion it means I'm a bad person?"
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sexo sexoso
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ONLY WITHIN MARRIAGE THO
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Tradcucks don't go far enough s*x should be criminalized even for married couples.
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The nuclear family being considered "traditional" is a very weird burgerism. The more traditional family is an extended one.
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Let's compare BMIs.
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