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Shit like this is why i always disregard g*mers opinions on literally every subject. They always end up eventually bringing up anime and how they think "x show has really great writing this season!"

In every 10000 shows, there might be a single one with netflix level writing. Full stop.

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The only anime I've watched is Initial D, which was recommended to me as I had an AE86 at the time. Story was boring and nonsensical there's no way he's beating an R34 GTR with a 4age 16 valve, even on the downhill :#marseydisagree:

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Initial D is fun because it sells the "skill over machine" cope to r-slurs like me.

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He be gutter drifting tho

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I think the style of anime, with all the baggage it has, is antithetical to a good story. Never checked the "this proves anime is art!" shit like Berserk or Evangelion, never will. But if they are truly great stories, turn them into a regular novel or a live-action movie. Additional challenge: No panty shots allowed.

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2D animation with higher attention to detail than standard western animation is antithetical to good story

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turn something into a novel or live action movie

Novels are boring as shit, dont sell, and have a hard time conveying visuals while keeping pace. Its a medium that only engages one of your senses. Theres only so much information you can efficiently convey via text.

Also good luck trying to translate something like Ghost in the Shell or some Miyazaki joint into live action with a visual style that doesnt completely clash with the narrative or butt r*pe the budget.

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uh noo the jiggling anime boobies are essential to the story you cant take them out!

Only proves what I already thought about anime.

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Was referring to translating something like this without turning it into a gay 80s practical fx movie or dogshit modern CGI fest

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her eyes are of moderate size. i'll consider it one of the good ones.

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I fell asleep during the middle of this film. It was pretty, but I can’t even remember what it was about.

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Thats probably most peoples experience.

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I just don’t find any anime has created any kind of transcendental experience for me, ever. It’s ok entertainment if you’re into it, but I can say certain books and films have cracked open my skull and changed the way I see things for eternity. That’s the definition of art for me. The rest of it is entertainment, which while it shouldn’t be frowned upon, just seems like the category all anime falls into.

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Anime at its core is just film. Its dogshit, but there are some legit exceptions. Like jin-roh or perfect blue. Theres been a few times where its hit me in ways normal films have. The thing is, the good ones do prioritize telling the story via visuals. Youre not gonna get an anime for 12 angry men because it wouldnt be justified. The goal is usually emotion, not logic.

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That's not a bad definition of art, but by that criteria few books, movies or games I've seen are art. :marseythinkorino:

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Whether Miyazaki's works count as anime has inspired many neurodivergent debates.

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Novels are boring as shit

Highest attention span having zoomer.

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Novels are boring as shit

Way to out yourself as a mouth breathing r-slur

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r-slur thinks because something is written, its somehow a higher form of art

Way to out yourself as a mouth breathing pseud redditor, lmao. Writing is almost never used to its full potential and isnt even remotely exact in communicating ideas (two people will have vastly different opinions as to whats going on in any given scene due to a lack of visual/auditory information).

Ive been writing for several years, and probably will be until i die, and im telling you right now it is the most overrated traditional art form next to music. Only in extremely rare occasions is it worth spending days reading a given novel when many other mediums can accomplish the same goals in a fraction of the time.

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Ive been writing for several years, and probably will be until i die, and im telling you right now it is the most overrated traditional art form next to music.

Most r-slurred opinion I've ever seen on rdrama, no surprise this sperg is an anime watcher. There have been far more great novels than there have been movies and comic books created. There's never been a truly great work of animation anyways, it's a testament to the genre that subhumans think Evangelion's psych 101 level of depth is groundbreaking.

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days reading a given novel

lol it takes you days to read a book is your carer reading it out loud to you?

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Books are faster to read and process than anything else for the information density they have

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Outside of art, yes- but what Neuromancer takes 10 pages to do, Blade Runner can do in 15 seconds. Film can show you a hundred things in a single frame, whereas writing is constrained to being processed sentence-by-sentence. Its completely linear unless youre a House of Leaves spastic. The only thing film actually struggles with is internal monologue.

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It doesn't taken 10 pages to describe one frame fricking lol. :marseyfacepalm:

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Your brain just doesn't work in a way that enjoys books :marseyshrug:

I wonder how fast your reading speed is, or if you feel some sort of mental strain upon the act of reading. I just kind of effortlessly glide through a page, don't really process where sentences begin or end unless I pull myself "out of it" and pay specific attention to grammar and syntax.

Things are just kind of beamed to my minds eye when I read.

Meanwhile, I seem to enjoy TV and movies much less than the average person.

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two people will have vastly different opinions as to whats going on in any given scene due to a lack of visual/auditory information).

But that's what makes writing interesting. It's a joint creation of the reader and the writer. It's experienced actively rather than passively, it requires mental effort and attention (this is why audiobooks are fake). Everyone will see and interpret things differently. The novel handles subtext, subjectivity, etc. better than any other medium.

Many "writers" who get their inspiration from movies, shows, anime, games etc. will fail because their interests are in things books don't do well. They end up writing because they don't have the budget/skill to work in another medium. A good creator understands the advantages and disadvantages of each medium, and works accordingly.

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⚠️⚠️⚠️ DYSLEXMISIA ⚠️⚠️⚠️

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Try Jorge Louis Borges, maybe short stories are better fit to your capacity :marseyreading:

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Short stories are great. I love em. Im actually eternally pissed theyre not more popular over the 3 million word gigafantasy epics because theyre usually way more impactful.

Regrettably theyve died and been resurrected in the form of r-slurred creepypastas and other wattpad style bullshit because theyre not marketable in the traditional sense, even in the form of compilations.

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If you're actually interested, it's my favorite sorta writing. Literary journals are slacking these days but river crossing by Jack Irvings is my favorite in the past few years. And I'm not too hurt about starving out the artists. That's usually when the best of them come out.

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:marseyreading: added to the list

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Thanks for reminding me that I need to log off more often and actually read the books on my shelves.

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Novels are boring as shit

there is more than 1 novel. nabokov can be fine while 'mr 1000 year old vampire billionare sexy r*pe drools over you' can suck.

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My fellow SIPoC Z-slur in Celestia, novels engage your whole brain by forcing it to play pretend on all five of your senses at once. Or at least they would if I knew how to read.

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Animation allows the merging of real and fantastical visual elements in a way that would be impossible in live action (would look ultra tacky), yet keeps the video format unlike a book.

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Never checked the "this proves anime is art!" shit like Berserk or Evangelion, never will.

So if people offer counter examples and you refuse to acknowledge them, then your opinion doesn't matter. It's literally just a visual medium.

Comparing Grave of the Fireflies or Perfect Blue to shit like Sword Art Online, is like comparing Se7en to iCarly.

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wrong

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I think the style of anime, with all the baggage it has, is antithetical to a good story

why?

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shallow, doesn't challenge you, its the fast food of TV.

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oh you mean the style of the stories? thought u meant artstyle

not all anime is dragon ball, there is some okay stuff. monogatari is nice!

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wrong

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lots of m on trap r*pe too

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Is everything still shitty Isekai?

(the genre where dude gets dropped in a fantasy world and is mostly just wish fulfillment and power fantasies?)

:soycry: but CHRONICLES OF NARNIA is an isekai

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chronicles of narnia is not very good for an adult reader either, it's very clearly children's literature

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I've seen that comparison made seriously as an arguement lol :marseydespair:

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Every few weekends i demand my boys to show me the best shit of the season. Its always shitty isekai.

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Exactly this. This is why I quit enjoying watching anime at 16.

Someone enthusiastically telling me to watch Boku no Hero Academia is literally like someone saying "Go watch Harry Potter! IT'S SO GOOD I CANT EVEN AHHH"

Well... maybe it is good. I hear they played superhero tropes straight and optimistic, which is nice I guess. But something's gone wrong if if I'm that bored and that's the only thing I can think to do to fill up my time, lmao

I remember as a teenager thinking "Wow 90% of anime is garbage!" (instead of 99% lol) and trying to find something not weird or boring to watch. Weird would be anything where someone falls in love with their older brother, general degeneracy, or whatever the frick Black Butler was. Which I watched anyway due to peer pressure from my only friend at school at the time.

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tv show writing is worse than anime, somehow. at least in anime sometimes there's a gay r*pe scene.

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netflix level writing

funny you mention that because Netflix Cowboy Bebop actually had worse writing than the original

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There's a Netflix Cowboy Bebop? :marseydespair:

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You know it’s bad when the obligatory Netflix Turns White Character Black is the least of the complaints against it.

They got 2/3 of the casting good but good god the dialogue, pacing, and storytelling suck butt.

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Initiallllll D!!!!

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