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Shin Bet: We officially agree with everything Redactor ever said :marseythumbsup:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/shin-bet-probe-oct-7-would-have-been-prevented-if-wed-acted-differently/

I'm exaggerating a bit, but in their internal review of what went wrong on Oct 7 they hit on a number of crucial points:

The Shin Bet's focus was on foiling terror attacks, and its methods were not applicable to an enemy that acted like an army.

I've been trying to drill this into the heads of you tards for years. Terrorism doesn't mean "anything I don't like". It can be used by the weak or the strong, the bad or the good. Look at the Reinhard Heydrich assassination. That was done by a superpower and it's not something I'm going to shed any tears over. Terrorism is a political/military tactic that can be used by all kinds of organizations . (And if you believe I'm being a pinko, my thinking is heavily influenced by Trinquier here, one of the leading chud theorists of all time. PDF link to his very insightful if batshit insane book.)

Terrorism is an action someone performs, it's not an intrinsic part of their nature as a person. They can flip back and forth between terrorism and conventional warfare. So you have to be cautious about simply labeling someone merely a terrorist and you have to be extremely cautious about labeling an organization a "terrorist organization". It leads to complacency. You start thinking of these guys like they're the Baader-Meinhoff gang or the Japanese Red Army or some fringe psychos who might shoot up an airline terminal or hijack a plane.

I think dismissing Hamas as a mere "terrorist" organization is one of the main reasons they were underestimated, just as Obama famously called ISIS the "JV team" before it turned out they actually had an army of thousands.

An unclear division of responsibility between the IDF and Shin Bet on which organization should provide a warning for war, amid a change of Hamas from a terror group to a full military force. ... The Shin Bet had an "incorrect understanding" of the strength of the Israeli border barrier with Gaza and the IDF's ability to respond.

Bystander effect. It happens in the military too. A lot. You assume the other unit understands this is supposed to be their responsibility.

The assessment was that Hamas was trying to heat up the West Bank and was not interested in doing so in the Gaza Strip. ... Hamas's believed intentions were not challenged enough during assessments.

Wishful thinking based on what you assume the enemy's intentions are, not what their capabilities are.

Relatively little intelligence, including as a result of limited freedom of action in the Gaza Strip, especially independently by the Shin Bet. The Shin Bet said that the IDF's botched 2018 intelligence operation in Khan Younis made it more difficult to recruit human intelligence sources in Gaza.

This is especially puzzling given how thoroughly they infiltrated Hezbollah. One of the reasons I think they probably got to Hezbollah through Iranian dissidents.

How Hamas was able to build up its forces... The flow of money from Qatar to Gaza and its delivery to Hamas's military wing.

Thanks Bibi. :marseyclapping:

The catalysts to Hamas's decision to carry out the onslaught included the cumulative weight of Israeli violations on the Temple Mount, the attitude toward Palestinian prisoners

Yeah, not intentionally trying to piss people off for no reason probably would have helped.

Summary: In my opinion it's pretty that the attempts to smear this disaster on Unit 8200 and Shin Bet are classic of just running over the glowBIPOC. Who are the best, most selfless Americans but also the most hated by everyone? The CIA and FBI. You think it's a coincidence they just happen to be the two organizations that can't defend themselves in the press? The IDF and the politicians are dumping all the blame on this being an "intelligence failure" when it was really a colossal policy failure to pour so many troops into the West Bank and leave so few in the south.

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can you do more Star Trek effortposts instead.

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Sure. What direction do you want me to go? One of my earliest memories was reading the Star Trek Starfleet Technical Manual and my knowledge kind of trails off during DS9.

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how do you feel about section 21?

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It's the total antithesis of what Star Trek is all about. This might be difficult for you kids to understand, but in the early 1960s (when the Star Trek concept was formulated) the USA was considered both here and in most of the world to be the Good Guys. Nobody liked the commies, I cannot emphasize enough to you that nobody liked the commies. They were extremely drab, boring, uncool, brutal, buttholes who you did not want around. Compared to that, the Americans were the ones who liberated you from the Nazis/Japs. And the Americans had a reputation for honesty, certainly compared to the Soviets and more importantly the British who we were replacing. We didn't fly around the seas stealing dilithium crystals oil like the British and French did, we were interested in honest trade and cultural exchange.

All of that started to change during the Vietnam War, which happened to be exactly when the show was on in the late 1960s.

But at the time the show was made, the attitude was that hey, we're a heck of a lot better than the Klingons Russians and Chinese and if we gotta hardball sometimes, that's just how life goes. But we keep our moral core. And we kept it through... well right about 2025.

Now of course we weren't really that perfect. That's one of the conceits of Star Trek, that Starfleet might have some rogues but we're the good guys. Of course real life was dirtier than that. But the Section 31 bullshit tries to be so edgy that we're actually just as bad. Well, no, frick that. Starfleet the USA might not have been perfect, but you ask any victims of the Klingons commies in your neighborhood, and I can promise you there's a few, you'll find they were on Captain Kirk's side.

Does that answer your question?

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/17225430325674362.webp

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TL:DR Friendship is magic, not snitching on everypony you see like you're in a Stassi-controlled hellhole.

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Aren't the Klingons the good guys since season 2?

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Season 2 of what? :#marseywut2:

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Star Trek

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I don't feel like you're negotiating with me in good faith. :#marseyspock:

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TDS

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Any fun drama like the TNG stuff you talked about.

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Wait, wtf are you talking about? I've only made 19 posts references Trek.

Comments... 292... OMFG... :marseysweating:

Gimme a second to see what ground I've covered.

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I was thinking when you were just describing the drama with S1 TNG and how Roddenberry had completely different ideas how it was going to work.

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(And tbqh I'd already heard all this before on Mark Altman's podcast.) :marseynerd2:

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I heard it repeated on Red Letter Media.

Did you watch their Star Trek videos?

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I watched their trivia ones and I would have kicked... well, I wouldn't have cleaned house like on real Jeopardy but I could have kept pace with Mike. I can't remember, what others did they do?

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Watch Chaos on the Bridge for that.

Really really good documentary. Even if you don't care about Star Trek, everyone should watch that because it's so dramatic. I've seen it multiple times.

Worth it just for the part where David Gerrold talks about pushing a guy out a window.

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