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Hamas Father Of The Year: pic.twitter.com/uhL6V1Qb6s
— MichaelRapaport (@MichaelRapaport) October 14, 2023
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Claiming that the humanizing of occupied peoples is not what the newspaper stands for, The New York Times issued an apology Tuesday for reporting on Palestinian deaths. “Our thoughtful and accurate coverage of the Palestinian death toll in no way met our editorial standards for obfuscation, and for that we sincerely apologize,” said executive editor Joseph Kahn, explaining that the article marked the first such mention of Palestinian suffering in the Times' 172-year history, and it would certainly be the last. “Rest assured, the individual responsible for bringing to light the atrocities perpetrated on the Palestinian people has already been terminated. We will use this as a teachable moment and redouble our efforts to conceal the anguish of all marginalized and oppressed peoples going forward.” At press time, the Times issued a retraction for incorrectly identifying Palestinians as “human beings.”
there, now gimmie my DC to goomble
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@gigachad_brony don't know how credible human rights watch is but by their name they sound trustworthy enough.
From what @gigachad_brony know Israel says the news about the use of white phosphorous is incorrect.
When will the westerners realize that the Israeli's are the most civilized Arabs but still arabs. So their answer too any question is too kill kill kill. Just like any other middle eastern group. Our people matter far more than human rights or international law always.
Israeli denial - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/13/israel-military-white-phosphorus-gaza-lebanon
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A pair of terrorist sympathizers got in my face, cursed at me, screaming and berating the baby in my arms.
— Rep. George Santos (@RepSantosNY03) October 13, 2023
Here’s what I have to say: Elected or unelected, terrorist sympathizers in the halls of Congress are unacceptable. #IStandWithIsrael pic.twitter.com/v0eFpQQN77
Video of the "attack" and the baby he's holding
The baby he's holding isn't his either. He also made this weird comment:
But the Brazilian comes back with an officer to arrest the terrorist for invading his personal space (lmao):
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Video of the meltdown:
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I cant tell if it's for political show or if actually broke down becuase he got charged with fraud recently:
He finishes this goofy adventure by going after Iran, The chinese communist party, and the FFC and their regulations:
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I am proceeding cautiously because of what @charliekirk11 describes here.
— Clandestine (@WarClandestine) October 14, 2023
The Israel-Gaza border is one of the most secure borders on the planet, Israel/US have some of the best intelligence on the planet, Iron Dome went down, and Israel were warned an attack might happen.… pic.twitter.com/ABLLTKHgmM
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https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/176qrvd/us_colleges_become_flashpoints_for_protests_on
https://old.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/176yorl/canadian_universities_face_challenges_navigating
https://old.reddit.com/r/boston/comments/176mt57/harvards_leading_antisemites_truck_flashes_faces
https://old.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/comments/1770je3/tottenhams_charity_chair_resigns_over_clubs
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Tbh I thought about Hezbollah invading too but figured Lebanon is too deep in their own dire straits to get involved with a conflict in the global theater.
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You may be wondering right now, why can't Palestinians support a group that's, you know, nice? Why do so many support Hamas?
To answer that, I have to tell you some of the history of Fatah, the Palestinian revolutionaries from my boomer generation and how they failed.
PFLP, DFLP, PFLP-GC, PFLP-LMAO, etc.
Leila Khaled, airplane hikacker for the PFLP.
Besides Fatah there were countless Palestinian groups formed by refugees by the 1960s. While they ostensibly were radical Marxists out to destroy Israel, in practice they ended up as mercenaries working for one or more other Arab countries or the KGB. Much of their time was spent fighting each other on behalf of their foreign masters. Their fighters were largely drawn from the desperate poor of the refugee camps who simply signed on so their families wouldn't starve.
Bourj el-Barajneh refugee camp, Beirut.
These groups carried out most of the spectacular international terrorist operations that the Palestinians became known for like airplane hijackings. These attacks did little to further the Palestinian cause but alienated the world. Some were clearly designed to offend, like pushing an elderly Jewish man in a wheelchair off the side of a cruise ship. (This is not to say Fatah didn't do some really sadistic terror attacks too.)
Rome Airport after the massacre by Abu Nidal's gang, 1985.
These radical groups quickly withered away to irrelevance when the Soviet Union collapsed and the whole ecosystem of state sponsored terrorism with it. But they left a legacy for Fatah. These were the guys they didn't want to be like: corrupt, out of touch with the people, and beholden to foreign governments.
Fatah's Rise & Fall
Fatah's origin is similar to these other groups except that after the 1967 war they broke away Egyptian control. While they still relied on foreign funding they found several sponsors so they could maintain their independence.
Abu Ammar AKA Yasser Arafat with Nasser and King Hussein.
They built up their forces among the refugees in Jordan and began raiding into Israel, quickly rising to prominence on exaggerated tales of their successes. But as charismatic as Yasser Arafat was, he had difficulty controlling his own party, let alone the radical factions. By 1970 the King of Jordan had enough and drove them out in a short but bloody struggle.
King Hussein inspecting captured Israeli equipment after the Battle of Karameh, 1968. Jordanian troops were mostly responsible for the victory but Fatah got the credit.
Next the Palestinians moved into Lebanon and started raiding again. Their arrival tipped the fragile balance of power there and civil war broke out, with Fatah as one of the most powerful factions. When they seemed about to win, the Lebanese Christians invited Syria in to stop them. Eventually a stalemate held with the Palestinians mostly restricted to a zone along the Israeli border.
Fatah members in Beirut, 1979.
By now Fatah had alienated Jordan, Syria, and most of Lebanon. The next shoe to drop was Egypt, which made a separate peace with Israel and became a pariah across the Arab world. Israel would never again have to worry about a conventional attack, so their army was freed up to invade Lebanon in 1982. Fatah's pitiful military forces were crushed and the survivors agreed to leave for exile in Tunisia, the closest Arab country willing to take them in.
Israeli troops drive toward the strategically vital Beaufort Castle, 1982.
The years that followed were bleak. With no way to attack Israel, the party lost a lot of its relevance. It could do little to protect the refugee camps, which suffered terribly at the hands of the Israelis and then even worse from the Syrians. Many of the best leaders were assassinated or defected. Several increasingly pitiful attempts were made to return to Lebanon and carve out a new enclave there. Finally Arafat made an incredibly stupid blunder, siding with Saddam Hussein against the US-led coalition in Desert Storm, which outraged the Saudis and most of the world. Meanwhile the US and regional powers gave Syria the green light to crush any opposition in Lebanon, ending any hope of Fatah returning.
Note that by now Fatah has been betrayed by or betrayed every nearby Arab country except Iraq.
Intifada
In the late 1980s-early 1990s, the nadir of Fatah, an unexpected event turned the situation upside down. Remember Palestine, the country that all of this was supposed to be about? Fatah and the radical Marxists had fantasized that the refugees would build up an army and invade Israel from the outside. This was clearly delusional now as they had proven to be at best a speed bump in a full-scale war.
But now those forgotten Palestinians remaining in the occupied West Bank and Gaza rose up in the Intifada, a fiery but mostly peaceful campaign to oppose the occupation. They managed to accomplish more in a few years than Fatah ever had with all its terrorism and bloodshed.
The first Intifada.
Israel finally agreed to peace negotiations and Arafat returned to Palestine to lead it. But too much damage had already been done. Fatah was as corrupt and out of touch with the population as the rival groups it had supplanted. It got few concessions of any consequence from the Israelis. As the peace process dragged on it gradually dependent on the USA and even Israel for financial, military, and intelligence support. By the mid 2000s it had lost most of its popular support and credibility as an independent voice for the nation.
An older and less impressive Arafat with Bill Clinton and Ehud Barak, 2000.
An alternative to Fatah began to emerge during the intifada. Hamas was newer and hipper, employing the Islamist ideology that was popular with the younger generation. But more importantly, it hadn't proven itself to be a failure the way Fatah had. It didn't carry the baggage of decades of broken promises and compromises with the enemy
Most Palestinians were in such a desperate situation that in the 2006 election they preferred the wild psychos of Hamas. At least they were fighting against the Israelis, not asking them for help fighting their political opponents at home. Fatah took its loss in the election about as well as Trump did and fighting broke out. They held onto power in the West Bank but Hamas took Gaza.
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Normalization this decade seems too be off the menu.
Also possible that Saudi Arabia is going too actually join up with Iran too fight Israel now.
#day7 it will get worse.
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Most people are not realizing that just as the Israeli's currently see the destruction of HAMAS as necessary for their continued survival, in a similar manner Iran sees it's continual survival requiring maintaining an Islamic Israel divide throughout the middle east, and ensuring the continued survival of terrorist organizations that attack Israel.
It is as important for Iran to ensure that Gaza continues to exist outside Israeli control, as it is for Israel to ensure that HAMAS ceases to exist.
A war with HAMAS and occupation of Gaza will see Iran actively participating in the conflict. Whether it be through its proxies fully activating and attacking Israel, or with Iran itself attacking Israeli airspace, or whatever else it can do with its current capabilities.
The US in its current state is not well positioned to attack a nation of 80+ million people. Any invasion of Iran by the US will quickly and over time convince the world of US imperialism conspiracies and lead to loss of US influence and prestige in terms of global matters. The Iraq invasion and withdrawal from Afghanistan already came at a cost. With the Iraq invasion likely having a strong impact on the weakening of Republican support and anti-boots on the ground mindset propagation across the US, and the Afghanistan war withdrawal resulting in the galvanization of Russia and China into believing in a weakening US.
An Iran invasion by the US would likely have similar outcomes.
Add to this the fact that Saudi Arabia by itself invading Iran would result in a severe middle eastern conflict which will be too costly to Saudi Arabia, and that Iran working more heavily to help the Muslims in Gaza than the Saudi Arabians will also shift public opinion towards Iran in the middle east, it is likely that the best case scenario for Saudi Arabia is to not participate in the ongoing conflict at all even if it escalates into a direct war between Israel and Iran.
The other scenario would be for Saudi Arabia to invade Iran with US backing and future guarantees. The only problems regarding this being that the US guarantees are already on the global stage currently seen as having limited worth outside of guarantees and promises made to other western nations and East Asian allies.
Saudi Arabia, even if it were to agree to such an invasion of Iran with US backing, would still suffer from having untrained troops with limited fighting ability.
From a EU perspective, they might as well treat an invasion of Iran by the US as an attack on the EU, taking into account how many refugees would be at the EU borders if such an escalated war were to occur.
Which limits the US to two functions in the middle east if an Iran Israel conflict were to escalate.
1. To provide Israel with intel regarding Iranian movements, to provide weapons to Israel, and to assist Israel in air bombing locations of Iranian proxies outside of Iran
2. To provide medical services to individuals within Israel, or funding to Israel, or to assist in moving foreign and US residents out of Israel.
The only reason the US would have to invade Iran in the coming days would be to guarantee expansion of US dominance across the middle east, which taking into account previous experiences with fighting smaller powers such as Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, will likely not be the case.
The US till date has at best been able to hold down territory in the middle east for limited amounts of time, but never able to normalize relations with the region.
The only time the US has come close to such a goal is in the relations it maintains with Saudi Arabia, where the US is still forced to give concessions to Saudi Arabian geopolitical goals in the middle east, in exchange for Saudi Arabia working to support US goals on the global stage.
If Israel were to be fully cornered, it is very likely that the Israeli state will lash out with limited concern as to what or who it hits during the process. It is very likely that the brutality that we would see from the Israeli state in terms of total deaths and civilian casualties caused in the name of killing Terrorists and enemies of Israel would make the Western world turn against Israel in terms of public opinion, and even possibly political support.
There is no doubt as to the Israelis being supplied by the US in their war ahead. However, the fact remains that there is no guarantee that Israel will win the conflict even with US arms, and even winning the conflict will result in complete loss of support on the global stage, taking into account the amount of casualties a complete victory today would incur on the middle east.
It is a very real possibility that a war between Israel and Iran would destabilize the entire middle east against Israel, causing the continual and future collapse of the Israeli state.
In a worst case scenario, Israel if it does indeed possess nuclear arms, may launch the same against enemies in the middle east, which would guarantee the Israeli state being turned into an international pariah and its future disintegration via whatever methods necessary by the international community.
In conclusion, there are no good forward paths for Israel, and no matter what path it walks, it will come out weaker and worse off in international relations. The relations between Israel and other middle eastern states have not normalized long enough for the middle east to not turn against Israel if it kills enough Muslims in the middle east. There is a real possibility of this war escalating beyond only the participation of terrorist organizations, in which case Israel would suffer.
Israeli lives matter. ( Required message by the chud award )
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I thought this was 1930's Europe not 2023.The fact that this is happening is appalling
I am from Germany and I just never realized how many people in my city are from Palestine or support HAMAS before the celebrations on Sunday.
Doesn't Germany have huge numbers of muslims?
sadly yes
End mass immigration.
"End mass immigration"
Lol. Population will collapse, GDP will come down, wages will increase and billionaire corporations won't like that. So not happening -97
Yeah because western countries profit so much from mass integration from Arabic oder North African countries… there are no benefits
they bring better food chud
And we will act shocked when real acts of murder happen.
Already happened in France, some random teacher got stabbed for just not being Muslim.
he probably called him a bad word
The issue is that some of those Hamas supporters are second or third generation migrants born on European soil, thus they have European citizenship. Technically, they have nowhere to be deported to
another remake in 2023
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