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It's so extremely over for anyone who grades papers for a living

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As a first step, learning about this tool will help instructors gain awareness and know to seek assistance when issues related to ChatGPT arise. In addition, the release of ChatGPT encourages us to revisit the best ways to assess student learning in a variety of instructional contexts (5). It invites us to ask important questions, such as:

  • Why and how do we best equip students as strong writers?

  • What other ways can students demonstrate learning in addition to written papers?

  • What is the best way to solicit student writing that is meaningful and authentic?

  • If students rely on ChatGPT as a source of information to answer factual questions, how will that affect their development of research skills?

This focus on the relationship between students and instructors and the educational mission of the university fits with broader efforts underway to reinforce the importance of the process of learning, including making and correcting mistakes. The university is in the process of refreshing our honor code and honor code affirmation to renew our commitment to supporting students in their journey to master complex knowledge and skills.

With these types of questions and issues in mind, we have gathered a variety of suggestions you can pick and choose to incorporate in your teaching practice if students’ use of ChatGPT is relevant for you. Incorporating 1-2 of these approaches may help ease concerns and challenges that could arise with the introduction of the ChatGPT tool.

Beginning of the semester:

  • Be clear on what you want your students to know and be able to do or demonstrate by the end of the course and why that knowledge is valuable to their lives. (See this resource for assistance in developing learning outcomes for your course.) Help students see that the ways you are assessing their learning are key to understanding what they are gaining from the course and where they may need extra coaching and support. (6)

  • Talk to your students about how relying heavily on this tool may interfere with achieving the learning outcomes you hope they will achieve in this course (e.g., problem solving, developing an authentic writing voice, etc.).

    • In particular, “If you can explain to students the value of writing, and convince them that you are genuinely interested in their ideas, they are less likely to reach for the workaround.” (7)
  • Have an open discussion with your students about the ethical implications of ChatGPT and the value of authentic learning for students’ lifelong development as learners. This may include having conversations around digital literacy and bias in research and scholarship, as AI writing cowtools like ChatGPT are limited to the public source material they have access to on the internet.Don’t feel you have to have all of the answers, as this is a continually evolving issue. (6)

Assignment design:

  • Ask students to reference and/or cite class materials, notes, and sources (particularly sources that are behind firewalls such as JSTOR articles) in their written assignments. This instruction is valuable because ChatGPT draws on text models from public websites.

  • Require students to reflect more deeply and critically on course topics. This tip is always a good assessment strategy and ChatGPT currently performs better on more superficial and less detailed responses.” (8)

  • Use in-class time for students to demonstrate knowledge and understanding in a variety of ways through low-tech, low stakes in-person activities like freewriting and live presentations.

  • Craft an assignment where you generate a ChatGPT output based on a prompt and ask your students to critique the response, indicating where it did a good job of articulating key points and what nuances it missed. (For 10 other ways to creatively use ChatGPT in course assignments, see “Update your course syllabus for ChatGPT”; keep in mind that asking students to engage with ChatGPT may generate privacy concerns, so it may be better practice to provide them with a copy of ChatGPT responses that they can use.)

  • Focus on critical skills that artificial intelligence struggles with. NPR education correspondent Anya Kamanetz describes three of these areas as:

    • Give a hug: empathy, collaboration, communication, and leadership skills;

    • Solve a mystery: generating questions and problem finding; and

    • Tell a story: finding what's relevant in a sea of data or applying values, ethics, morals, or aesthetic principles to a situation. (9)

  • Carefully scaffold assignments with time and space for students to complete each step along the way, and consider whether the number of time-intensive tasks might require more bandwidth than students have to spend. Students are more likely to utilize a tool like ChatGPT when they are short on time. (6)

  • Treat ChatGPT as a tool that some students may want to use to help get started writing. For example, students who have difficulty starting writing assignments might be encouraged to generate a paragraph with ChatGPT as a stub that enables them to continue writing. As long as the student ultimately adds significant new material and thoroughly edits or ultimately eliminates the output from ChatGPT, they are producing a document that reflects their own work.

Classroom Climate:

One way to help encourage students to make better decisions about using cowtools such as ChatGPT is to design your classroom climate to engender mastery approaches to learning, which involve a focus on deeply understanding the knowledge and skills rather than simply achieving a particular score on an assessment. In a mastery-oriented classroom, students are more likely to engage in strategies that will help them truly learn the material rather than for the goal of performing a task and receiving a grade for their work.

Three simple tips for encouraging mastery approaches in higher education classrooms include:

  1. offering flexible evaluation design: consider providing opportunities for students to revise and redo specific portions of assignments;

  2. focusing feedback on process and effort: offer feedback oriented toward student effort and their learning processes rather than on high grades and performance relative to others. When possible offer elaborative feedback rather than feedback based simply on correctness.

  3. building a sense of belonging: discuss, emphasize, and model that making errors and mistakes is part of everyone's learning processes rather than something that only poor performers or people who "don't get it" do

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All of this implying overpaid babysitters will do anything but continue to sneed on /r/Teachers :marseygigaretard:

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Does this thing seriously put out 10+ pages of a proper paper? Because if not, I really don't care if it lets you cheat on your 200 word essay due in 8 minutes.

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tfw chatGPT is down and you have a 150 word essay due in 24 hours

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:#marseyitsover:

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Everything ive seen is basically middle/high school 5 paragraph essays but I would not be surprised if thats also the output expected from a modern university student too

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STEMcels aren't expected to write coherently and modern humanities have such abysmal academic standards that you could probably also get away with it

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Yeah, I studied comp sci in college and only wrote papers in elective courses. There was never one writing assignment in my major area, which was a good thing for the approximately 33% of my class that were from China since I don't think any of them spoke english at all.

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Did you never have to take a technical writing class? All our cs/engineering students had to take one. It was def needed because otherwise code monkeys write like an esl 4th grader.

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I didn't, but I took some literature and writing courses as electives, so I ended up ok. I guess I had one class that made us write up our results from projects, but that's about it. You're right that it should be required, though.

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Ideal use case is probably for the weekly 1-2 paragraph discussion board posts you get in blow-off classes freshman year

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Hopefully it will develop to the point where it can write your masters thesis for you but yea it's definitely not at that point yet. It's good however for making those mindless essays where it sounds like you're saying something but you're really not, which is perfect for school I imagine

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You can easily break a 1,500 word essay down into five 300 word paragraphs for GPT, one topic per paragraph, and then just thread them together.

But yeah, you're right, anything beyond undergraduate level shit doesn't matter. Once you've actually got something interesting to say, writing the essay is just menial labor.

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Guy I know is a postdoc and uses GPT to write introductions and other parts of papers for him. He absolutely knows what he's talking about but uses the AI for the menial labour part. I've done translation work and translated entire paragraphs but if I didn't know what I was doing I wouldn't catch the grave errors that are sometimes present. Would be pretty cool if this AI stuff makes people more productive but you still need skills to look over it

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Yeah ai seems to benefit skilled worker willing to use it to augment their workflow. I know a graphic designer who started using ai images(stable diffusion?) to draw mock-ups of designs for clients.

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I'm starting to realize this is also true about software and now I'm in MBA DDD CQRS heck

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Even if they have ai detecting cowtools, cant you just take the general "idea" of the paper and reword it in your own words?

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Yeah, I'd assume so. You'd probably want to proofread anyway to make sure the AI didn't invent some nonexistent citations.

Either way, it's not too far off the standard high school research method of use half of the Wikipedia article's citations and re-word the content.

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Schooling changed when textbooks became a thing and it wasnt just teachers teaching, it changed again when the internet became a thing, now its changing again. Teachers just gotta change with it lol.

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Schooling was best when you just rote memorized syllogisms.

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Bussy ⟹ Lmao

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Kids are r-slurred so AI papers probably won't be big for another couple years at least

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Somewhere there's a griftmaxxer ahead of the curve offering to do homework

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I don't think AI detection will ever truly work tbf because the more critical and accurate at detecting AI it gets, the more false positives you will get. And that is a big issue since you're being accused of using a tool you didn't and threatened with a low mark because of that

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>Ask students to reference and/or cite class materials, notes, and sources (particularly sources that are behind firewalls such as JSTOR articles) in their written assignments. This instruction is valuable because ChatGPT draws on text models from public websites.

Literally just force everyone to use Chicago Turabian format at this point. Turabian format papers are basically bunch of reworded copypasta from 30 sources and extensive footnote.

If you work in a humanity department and cannot spot a fake citation, you don’t deserve to have your job.

The only reason why these strags are sneeding is because they are too fricking lazy to do their job properly

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Tbh I don’t see how an ai could write a paper for any of the college level courses I took. It requires citations to specific papers and books that are part of the curriculum and are way too niche for the current level of tech to fake. I could see it working for writing some filler but not for the meat of it.

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Yeah, my professors were paying more attention to the quality of your footnote and citation than anything else. An expectation for an undergrad/Master level paper for humanities departments is an ability to synthesize a bunch of scholarly resources you've found in the school's library and present a summary of an argument that you think is the best overall.

The emphasis is more so on research. When I was a TA, I pretty much gave everyone a high grade as long as I could tell that they went into library the night before and spend 5-10 hrs looking for relevant academic book.

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I just paid some :marseytunaktunak: to write all my papers.

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Is their English fine enough for non science fields? @X (formerly chiobu) you recommended it in the past too so question to you both.

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I can't remember but I'm sure they would use AI related cowtools to write it because I sure as heck would

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My profs give us so many readings its basically presci writing to fit in citations for them all I doubt AI would help much. :marseygiveup: If it was just writing bs I could wrap up each assignment in an hour

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Maybe you could try adding "with accurate citations and blahblah...." to your prompt and see if it works? sketchy AI writing cowtools have been around longer than chatgpt so I'm sure something exists for academic writing lol

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English was fine, I proofread it before submitting just to be safe, but this was for nursing school where papers are nothing but busywork given during an already jam packed schedule, if you have a major that actually needs to know how to write a paper I might be more hesitant.

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How was your viagra experiment

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I made all that up lmfao except for the being a grower part that’s unfortunately very true

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i know i outed you as a nurse there remember

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Yeah thought so :marseysob:

There's some seniors who do it for money too apparently but their English is atrocious and my profs already know how I write so I'll definitely get caught.

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I've already used chatGPT to churn out a bunch of premium content on Medium.

That whole site is basically a MLM scheme where people pay to be members, and engage with other people's content, specifically to try and build up their own content to make money.

Once you've got a following, you can just dump out any old dogshit and you'll still make money from all the bottom feeders.

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That reminds me of my friend in high school who would write a bunch of articles in Wordpress about having rare diseases. Then him and bunch of other dudes in an online forum would click each others ads and the click though price for rare disease is over a dollar. Good grift for a high schooler.

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Hmm, I think at least half of my students are using ChatGPT or other AI cowtools to write their submissions. I'd know if I would have read their assignments.

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You know that you can use AI to detect ai made papers.

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I'll simply use AI to train my AI to bypass AI AI detection.

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I'd train my ai defense system to continuously build and improve sub-defenses systems that prevents your improvement ved hacker ai.


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basically how the soviets lost the Cold War

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Yeah but the AI is just copying human language. Even if an AI says that there is a 99% chance that a given paper was written by an AI, the student can just say that they wrote it and there really isn't enough evidence to accuse them of cheating/plagiarism.

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I honestly think you're all just cute twinks. Especially that one queer moderator who skulks around in here. Gee I really do appreciate the thought and all the psycho analysis I really hope that you didn't have your parents spend their hard earned money on the pressures education to choose a field where you know you're just bad at it. But my U Penn degree and cybersecurity masters, would beg to differ, thanks for playing though. You realize this sub is nothing but a bunch of fat losers who cry about peoples opinions on the Internet in a sub with other big fat fatties. This sub is the equivalent of a liberal rally, just on the Internet and with less of a purpose and is way less respected.

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