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I'm thinking of switching from Mac back to PC within the next year or two, but sounds like Windows is just getting shittier with bad features and garbage adware (why can't it just be like Windows XP :marseycryingfast:) Make the plunge back to Micro$oft or stick with Crapple? I look forward to hearing totally original burns about Apple being for r-slur children :marseycrayoneater:

No, I will not use Linux :!marseyindignant:

!applechads help me out

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If you're not going to play video games like an adult then there is no reason to use windows beyond being poor.

Macs literally just work :marseyshrug:

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I do design and motion graphics stuff. iMac works just fine for that. What I don't like is that later versions don't even allow the user to add/upgrade their own RAM. That makes me mad >:(

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The extra RAM you can get on a Windows computer is to handle the bloated OS + the 30+ programs that auto-start because your OEM (unless you build) installed because it you need it

Also if you do go windows let me know if you need help setting up natural scrolling! Windows took that option away in 11 and unless you use a logitech mouse that has the option in their extra software you have to use regedit :marseyemojilaugh:

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is natural scrolling that r-slurred shit apple mice do where the amount and speed of scroll is determined by rolling a d20?

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I have to use Terminal to raise my mouse speed and it STILL isn't fast enough :marseyraging:

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Natural scrolling is where when you scroll the mouse wheel up the page goes down, and when you scroll down the page goes up, so inverse of the windows default. It is superior in every way and I do it with my pinky up to flex on windowcels

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That sounds r-slurred. Do you play flight sims? Or are you just such a mega zoomer :marseyawesomefaceroblox: you can't comprehend things not working :marseylifting: like your iPhone :marseyappicon:


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weird. My W11 laptop does that naturally.

Oh, you mean if you scroll up, the page itself goes down such taht you're going to the End.

WEIRDO!

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I would definitely build the PC myself if I decide to go that route

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ARM chip macs are really powerful if you've never used one, they go way further than you'd think

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Good to know :marseynotes:

Haven't used one yet. Looking at the Mac mini with M2 Pro and saw it had either 16 or 32 GB unified memory and all I was thinking was that's not nearly enough :marseysweating: (I guess it's way more efficient though?)

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Just plug in an external ram in your usb slot

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What if I just downloaded the RAM :marseyhmm:

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If you don't have enough memory you don't have enough memory, not much way to go around it. However the computers don't get hot is the biggest thing. That's what lets macbooks have long battery life. It also means that it won't slow down as you use it

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No, I will not use Linux :!marseyindignant:

You won't take your medicine but then complain about the sickness...

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:#dasrite:

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Windows 10 LTSC 2021 IoT has minimal bloat and security updates until 2032. https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

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:#marseyagreesuperspeed:

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What is this for non nerds?

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it's one of the Long Term Service Channel versions of windows enterprise, intended for Internet Of Things applications (refrigerators that spy on you and only open by voice command). So it's only the stuff that microsoft thinks is absolutely necessary to run windows. and it has very long support. and it's easy to pir google it faeggot

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Unless you wanna game or are on a huge budget crunch stick with macs. You cant upgrade ram on macs because they are an ARM SOC its why the ram swap is fast and the cpu is power efficient it just comes with the territory. The windows ARM machines have the same limit. Windows ARM laptops are super unoptimized and badly supported so I wouldn't depend on one to do anything but web apps. The soldered SSD is pretty undefendable tho !applechads .

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No gaming, just use it mainly for design and motion graphics (and a some video editing which I'd like to get into a little more). How much memory would you suggest if I stick with Apple? Looking at Mac Mini M2Pro and it has either 16GB unified and 32GB unified. The low number has me all :marseyyikes: but if it's more efficient

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You should get a Mac Studio if you're doing that work and more ram cause the ram also = your gpu ram

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Yes, keep this in mind OP.

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I would consider waiting til October and snagging a used M2 Studio as they should be refreshing for the M4 Studio and Pro.

If this is literally making you money I would 100% recommend the Studio over a Mini. I'm using a M2 Max Studio right now and it's SO GOOD.

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M4's will very likely stay on that tablet thing. M5's will be dropped into the laptops and stuff. A Mac vendor told me, and I trust him.

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I doubt that? By most of the reporting I've heard the M4 is mainly around because the TSMC process it's using is better but most importantly cheaper.

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And riskier, which is why they seem to be sticking it in tablets for now.

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they're sticking with it because nothing else had a release cycle until Sept and Oct.

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I was thinking about doing this because I'm not in a huge rush to buy right away. What specs you using? :marseyshy:

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Mac minis are just laptops that aren't portable.


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If ur not getting a laptop you'll see less benefit tbh. It'll use less power but ofc battery wont matter. I use the m3 pro with 36 gb and it's enough for multitasking and data visualization. Get a used or third party m2 max with like 64 gb tbh if ur gonna go for an m2 . I wouldn't say its more efficient in one program but its def faster at swapping out. With apple it'll basically use as much ram as you give it so you just wanna make sure the memory pressure is green.

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it just seems like a waste of money when you can build a much more capable computer without using apple. Windows sucks but there are debloated versions of Windows that you can use. Given if everything were the same, Apple would edge out over Windows but that price to play is stupid to me.

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Windows ARM

Red herring. Literally worthless. Nobody asked or cared.

Just custom build + Win10 + hunker down or live in the OSX zoo on the overpriced apple plantation. or :rapeson: hackentosh

Please let me out of this heck


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If you don't mind throwing money away, stick with Apple. Every update is actively making Windows worse. The latest gave me a full screen prompt offering to setup OneDrive "Now" or "Remind me in 3 days", no other options. Can't even close it. Frick that company.

If on the other hand you're a poorcel, Linux Mint works well out of the box without needing to know any nerd shit.

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I might consider Linus if I didn't use Adobe slop

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Adobe are still in business??

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Photoshop will probably keep them going forever

But even if it wouldn't, they were probably promised unlimited bailouts or something for killing flash

They went all in on murdering their own product, installed time bombs and everything

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The worst part about Win 11 is still the shitty task bar, but StartAllBack or whatever will fix it up (I have mine set to look like Win 10).

If you get it though, I recommend installing one of the Pro versions. Don't pay for it, just use https://massgrave.dev/. With the Pro version, you can use GPOs to get around some of the more annoying behavior, like forced updates.

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forced updates.

:#marseyyikes:

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It's not even the updates that bother me, it's the fact that some of them require a reboot and by default Windows will just go ahead and do it. I think it at least tries to detect if you're idle and you can set it to only reboot during certain times (like 2-4am), but with GPOs you can disable that feature altogether, which is what I did.

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https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-update-blocker-v1-8/

This is what I use to keep Windows 10 Home on 21H2, because for some reason 22H2 breaks a bunch of my programs.

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1. Just use Linux lmao

2. Stick with Macs, OSX is so much better than Windows outside of games

3. Consider TempleOS

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3. Consider TempleOS

:marseyhmm: This is a good option. God's option.

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Don't let the glowBIPOCs win

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Windows 11 is a lot like 10 with some good new features and some annoying minor changes here and there. It was so easy to make it not give me pop ups and other bullshit that I don't even remember what I did, it took like 5 minutes when I got this PC a year and a half ago.

Realize this, and this isn't even an exaggeration for comedy effect: Kids and the average internet user are absolutely fricking r-slurred these days when it comes to tech and literally have no clue how to do a quick bit of research to find a solution to their problem even though it's easier than ever.

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Oh, well that's good. I'm r-slurred but competent enough to troubleshoot and stumble my way through how-to guides

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Look for Christ Titus win util to remove windows bloat

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Kids and the average internet user are absolutely fricking r-slurred these days

A while ago I saw some kid asking how to unpack a rar file on a pirating forum. At least I hope it was a kid.

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Yep, that's where I see a lot of the major league dummies as well, on game and book pirate forums. So many questions that are basically "how I download and read book?" Holy frick 60 seconds of research is all it's gonna take. Or "how I put book on kindle?" Well, you can email it to your kindle address, or drag and drop it to your kindle on Amazon's site, or use an upload to kindle file manager, or connect your device via usb, or or ahhhh. :marseyraging:

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Windows might be getting worse but it's not nearly as bad as some people claim. It's just minor annoyances that don't crop up very often.

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I use all 3 OSes daily, and if you can't/won't switch to Linux, then stick with a Mac. One of my jobs sent me a pretty decent Lenovo and every day I have a million small frustrations using it compared to my other job's MBP. I have yet to encounter a Windows laptop with a touchpad as nice as a MBP from 10 years ago, let alone the current ones, and Windows really is getting worse with every update. Poorstrags will complain about the extra price but if you're using it every day, and especially if you're making money from it, it's worth the extra scratch. I still mostly game on Windows, but with Proton, I'm even doing that less and less.

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oh funny cuz I was thinking about investing in a Mac laptop. I can write it off as a business expense anyway. What is making you switch?


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There's a lot I like and like a lot. But, I think what really pisses me off is that I, as a user, can not open up a Mac and upgrade simple things like RAM :marseyraging:

Instead of paying a reasonable price for 3rd party brand and doing it myself, I have to pay extortion rates to have Apple install it >:(

I recently had a scare with my iMac and it made me look into replacements (just in case) which is when I found this info out. It's prob why I'm bitching and moaning now because I don't like being told I can't do something and I think big corporations just fricking hate their customers :pepereegun:

I'm just exploring options right now and seeing if it would be worth the switch.

I will probably end up staying with Apple like a cuck though because I really like the products for what I use it for :marseyadmire:

If you can just write it off, I would go for it. Gorgeous screen, computer works well, and if you're in the Apple ecosystem the products work seamlessly together.

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The UI itself is "better" subjectively (more coherent than windows) although this is overstated in 2024 when a lot of apps you use will be Electron or cross platform in general.

I personally enjoy the gestures. It's so nice using the TrackPad to wiz around the ui.

I have heard people complain how many "helper" utilities they need for macOS but I personally don't see it? I've certainly paid a couple bucks for small utilities but nothing major besides CleanMyMac X.

The hardware is as good as it's ever been for workstation uses. I'd say gaming, server work and like truly bleeding edge professional rendering are the only things I wouldn't recommend a Mac system for. The scheduler they use for macOS is absolutely black magic. Coming from desktop Linux it is unreal to have a full compile going on and seeing zero stutters while doing other work.

I think you should do research on what model of the CPU you need for your work, some people overstate the performance metrics for the cpu and don't realize AMD and Intel caught up in a pure 1:1 perf show down (no one cares about perf per watt unless you're doing battery tests) as well as having models that spec higher core count wise.

Having access to a native Unix terminal is also super useful. I will say some of the macOSisms vs. Linuxisms will throw you off occasionally but it's still way less alien than windows.

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That's rude :marseygiveup:

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ChromeOS.

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ChromeOS :marseyexciteddance:

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Working with Mac OS is easier for me than windows. I hate all the windows bloat and popups etc.

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You can buy a windows 10 OEM key off a reseller for like 20 bucks to avoid using win 11

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Or just use Microsoft Activation Scripts from GitHub for a free genuine license.

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>applecel

>wants to leave macs behind

>wont use closest operating system that macos is literally based on

Well okay then

Windows is only gonna get worse too

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:marseysmughips: I need my design programs, sweaty

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Windows is just getting shittier

I will not use Linux

stick with Crapple

Stick with Apple. It's not like you have any choices. Altho you haven't ruled out BSD or Oxide.

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Doesn't matter. Flip a coin

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Windows is fricking annoying. I would never use it unless I had to (i.e. playing games, using software that only works on windows). It's almost as restrictive as an iphone but it's a computer. I could never make that switch. You might not be a linuxcel who has to customize every little thing, but windows is so much worse than macs in this regard

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you alreaty know the answer and you've alreaty refused


you don't want to be helped :marseydisagree:

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I just wanted a wittle help

:#marseyshytalking:

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Stick to Mac. If you like the OS, stick with it. W11 isn't that great, but if you want to switch, go to Fedora or something Linux. There's more Mac-esque distros out there with linux. W11 also runs like a turd. It's such a crap program.

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I think I am leaning towards sticking with Mac. My chudbuds have been so helpful with this :marseyadmire:

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Fedora Linux

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:marseyfedoratip:

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Start11 is a cool "mod" for Windows to make it look less gay and look more like XP/7

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just use mint goddarn

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We dont want r-slurs using linux anyway. Consider leapfrog OS.

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lol is that C++? Wait are you binding that with Python?! Imagine using those over Rust. As a proud Rustacean and Ferris the Crab adorer, I regret to inform you that your taste in languages sucks. This is sad. You can do better. You know how easy package and dependancy management is with Cargo? Not to mention you don't even need a Makefile. It's great. Dynamically typed languages need to die. There's no other option. They just do. If you like dynamic typing, you need some help. Seriously. By using a dynamically typed and interpreted language (which means its @#*!&!@ slow!!!), you are committing genocide and harming the environment more than gas cars. Rust is fast and uses clean, renewable energy through the magic of being a language compiled with LLVM. Tired of memory bugs? You should be. Shame on you for still having them when Rust exists. Tired of being bad? Time to go to Rust. Tired of being slow because you're not smart and your friends laugh at you? Rust is quite speedy indeed (all thanks to the big brain of the compiler). Tired of not getting off the normal way? Match statements, loops, and the compiler for Rust give the best orgasms 10/10 (completely legit). Not to mention the superiority you get to feel when you show off your superior Rust code to your inferior "friends" still using some other language. Want to get rid of malware? Rust is safe, therefore malware is noware (also completely legit). You quite honestly will forget about any other language (including English because it's slow and unsafe). You even get to add the Rust Book and its brothers to your Bible collection alongside the Arch and Gentoo Wikis. All hail Rust. TempleOS pales in religious comparison to the faith of Rustaceans. Graydon Hoare is Jesus. Amen.

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