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EU authority demands real-time surveillance of phones and laptops starting 2025

https://apollo-news.net/eu-behoerde-fordert-echtzeitueberwachung-von-handys-und-laptops-ab-2025/

(Translation by kiwis)

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/eu-authority-demands-real-time-surveillance-of-phones-and-laptops-starting-2025.205637/

A EU authority is demanding real-time surveillance of phones and laptops starting in 2025. They demand that the police shall be able to read messages in the entire European Union in real-time. The occasion: fighting organized crime. For the "High-Level Group (HLG) on access to data for effective law enforcement", data protection and privacy play nothing but a formal role.

The HLG consists of members from the EU Commission, representatives of the EU member states, and law enforcement agencies. On November 22, the HLG demanded that the EU Commission submit a proposition in the coming year to allow a real-time access on communications data. This is reported by Euractiv. Already in May, the HLG presented its preliminary research results in a report. The group was set up in 2023 and works on finding out how law enforcement agencies can get an easier access to data in order to fight against organized crime. In a concluding report from November 15, the group presented its results and demands.

Thus, the concluding report criticized that the different regulations regarding data retention in the individual EU states lead to problems in cross-border criminal prosecution. Specifically, the HLG demanded in their preliminary report from May that the industry should be mandated to cooperate with the agencies so that the police gets access to data that allows for an identification of users, such as the storing of IP addresses. In addition, they demand that non-cooperative electronic communication services shall be subject to prohibitive sanctions.

Read messages even before they are sent

Already in May, they demanded that there shall be a EU initiative which allows for looking at "data in transit", thus do real-time surveillance. In the concluding report from November 15, the HLG doubled down on the demand and strongly demanded that the Commission issue a corresponding proposition in 2025. By real-time surveillance, the HLG means that messages are able to be read even before they are sent, or shortly after they reached the recipient.

In the concluding report, they also said that the fact that they can't access the data in real-time allegedly causes big difficulties for crime prevention. Police officers have to make use of methods like installing cameras or microphones, which are dangerous for the officers. If you are not able to read messages, all other persons surrounding a suspect must be surveilled too. The HLG also demands more funding in the coming EU budget to stock up on means for "digital forensic cowtools".

Currently, there is no mutual regulation for mass data retention in the European Union because the European Court of Justice has declared the prior guideline on data retention invalid in 2014. The European Data Protection Committee criticized the HLG's demands in a statement on November 4. The demands would strongly invade the right to data protection and privacy. The committee also criticized the demand to weaken encryption.

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The article itself seems to be based on another, and the following is just one statement by the High Level Group

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17327277812201777.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17327277814482226.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17327277816438513.webp

Retention seems to be relegated to IP addresses and ports for long term retention to allow identification, likely things like times and any other info not deemed to be violating privacy (in their subhuman idea of privacy)

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About encryption it recommends looking further into encryption and how things like backdoors might affect the security, as they can't enforce all methods to simply be weaker but do find it rightful for law enforcement to have a way to cross the hurdle of encryption.

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!codecels I always have the same question when this comes up, what's to stop the users from just using gpg? I remember people use to do that for skype. There was a dll that would encrypt your out going and decrypt your incoming using keys in your skype folder

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Even if every single message was monitored and processed in real time, nothing would change because of the seer amount of idiocy and psychopathy in society. The shit that happens every day, requires at least a hundred times more resources that are going to be available. Also, you don't even need encryption you can use referential semantics to encode what you say in a myriad of forms with 0 possibility of anyone doing generic analysis figuring what you say. Most hardcore can encrypt with manual one-time pads generated with dice your message and then split the encrypted characters at the start of each word lol. Communication in crime and subculture evolves much faster that the average cop or AI figure out when it's needed. It's just another evolutionary filter. And a lot of psycho murderers have been monitored some point or another by feds, and they still manage to murder people after years of being monitored. The expectation that just by reading all messages you can combat crime on that level is based on the assumption that communication is static and not fast-evolving. Also most disturbing and fricked up stuff of last 5 years happen on groomercord, whose mere existence is a chinese gayop to subvert western society so good luck with that. But yeah encrypting with PGP and just pasting the encrypted text would be the single most r-slurred idea and anybody who does that deserves what they get. And yeah this is intentionally a single block of text get rekt bitches :marseycool: !codecels !schizos

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Don't let perfect be the enemy of good, that's foidbrained. This will definitely hit some marginal criminals, but will be especially effective when tracking down on government dissenters. Imagine if the canadian government had this power during the trucker protests.

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that's foidbrained

I'm foidbrained chud :marseysmirk2:

Also cares about leafs lmao :marseyxd:

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Its not about catching murderers, they mostly dont try to change the government, its about catching the tory councelors wife and making normies lick the boot.

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Catching murderers? Wtf are you talking about?

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And a lot of psycho murderers have been monitored some point or another by feds, and they still manage to murder people after years of being monitored

Do you read the things you write?

!r-slurs he has a home here

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No, actually remembering anything on rdrama is a waste of memory

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Impressive. Normally people with such severe developmental disabilities struggle to write much more than a sentence or two. You really have exceeded our expectations for the writing portion. Sadly the coherency of your writing, along with your abilities in the social skills and reading portions, are far behind your peers with similar disabilities.

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what's to stop the users from just using gpg

gpg

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Fair

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Probably compromised, which is why the US government no longer cares about it.

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only way to be safe is to design ur own cpu and write ur own operating system.

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Uncle Terry literally cannot stop taking dubs

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I assume if you are caught you will go to jail

If they're monitoring transit and you're not using TOR, a proxy outside the EU, or a VPN and they can't read your data they can definitely trace it back to you and prosecute you under whatever law they invent to do.

This would take a very big apparatus with pretty much every network complying with the law but it's doable.

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>implying TOR is not compromised

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Whenever stuff like this gets mentioned in the west it's some kind of political posturing and there's 0% chance they'll put it into practice. If they wanted to they could set up some China-like thing though and detect any kind of encryption at the ISP level

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They're cucked by Bongland already reading every message that passes over EU internet.

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EU laws where if they do find out they have minimum sentences or large fines

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Microsoft Pluton :marseymicrosoftpride:

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Some furry wrote a blogpost about why pgp was bad, but I didn't read it because it was filled with fursona reaction images. You can probably find it if you look up "why pgp is bad" since I saw a lot of people retweeting it.

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Skill issue.

If you're not a techlet you can even use text steganography to encode your messages in a larger body of :marseylongpost:

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