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Mozzzila Furryfox is so cucked they're on their knees begging Daddy DOJ not to Buck Break Google :marseyfirefox:

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Proposed contractual remedies in United States v. Google threaten vital role of independent browsers

Giving people the ability to shape the internet and their experiences on it is at the heart of Mozilla's manifesto. This includes empowering people to choose how they search.

On Nov. 20, the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) filed proposed remedies in the antitrust case against Google. The judgment outlines the behavioral and structural remedies proposed by the government in order to restore search engine competition.

Mozilla is a long-time champion of competition and an advocate for reforms that create a level playing field in digital markets. We recognize the DOJ's efforts to improve search competition for U.S. consumers. It is important to understand, however, that the outcomes of this case will have impacts that go far beyond any one company or market.

As written, the proposed remedies will force smaller and independent browsers like Firef*x to fundamentally reexamine their entire operating model. By jeopardizing the revenue streams of critical browser competitors, these remedies risk unintentionally strengthening the positions of a handful of powerful players, and doing so without delivering meaningful improvements to search competition. And this isn't just about impacting the future of one browser company — it's about the future of the open and interoperable web.

Firef*x and search

Since the launch of Firef*x 1.0 in 2004, we have shipped with a default search engine, thinking deeply about search and how to provide meaningful choice for people. This has always meant refusing any exclusivity; instead we preinstall multiple search options and we make it easy for people to change their search engine — whether setting a general default or customizing it for individual searches.

We have always worked to provide easily accessible search alternatives alongside territory-specific options — an approach we continue today. For example, in 2005, our U.S. search options included Yahoo, eBay, Creative Commons and Amazon, alongside Google.

Today, Firef*x users in the U.S. can choose between Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo, Amazon, eBay and Wikipedia directly in the address bar. They can easily add other search engines and they can also benefit from Mozilla innovations, like Firef*x Suggest.

For the past seven years, Google search has been the default in Firef*x in the U.S. because it provides the best search experience for our users. We can say this because we have tried other search defaults and supported competitors in search: in 2014, we switched from Google to Yahoo in the U.S. as they sought to reinvigorate their search product. There were certainly business risks, but we felt the risk was worth it to further our mission of promoting a better internet ecosystem. However, that decision proved to be unsuccessful.

Firef*x users — who demonstrated a strong preference for having Google as the default search engine — did not find Yahoo's product up to their expectations. When we renewed our search partnership in 2017, we did so with Google. We again made certain that the agreement was non-exclusive and allowed us to promote a range of search choices to people.

The connection between browsers and search that existed in 2004 is just as important today. Independent browsers like Firef*x remain a place where search engines can compete and users can choose freely between them. And the search revenue Firef*x generates is used to advance our manifesto, through the work of the Mozilla Foundation and via our products — including Gecko, Mozilla's browser engine.

Browsers, browser engines and the open web

Since launching Firef*x in 2004, Mozilla has pioneered groundbreaking technologies, championing open-source principles and setting critical standards in online security and privacy. We also created or contributed to many developments for the wider ecosystem, some (like Rust and Let's Encrypt) have continued to flourish outside of Mozilla. Much of this is made possible by developing and maintaining the Gecko browser engine.

Browser engines (not to be confused with search engines) are little-known but they are the technology powering your web browser. They determine much of the speed and functionality of browsers, including many of the privacy and security properties.

In 2013, there were five major browser engines. In 2024, due to the great expense and expertise needed to run a browser engine, there are only three left: Apple's WebKit, Google's Blink and Mozilla's Gecko — which powers Firef*x.

Apple's WebKit primarily runs on Apple devices, leaving Google and Mozilla as the main cross-platform browser engine developers. Even Microsoft, a company with a three trillion dollar market cap, abandoned its Trident browser engine in 2019. Today, its Edge browser is built on top of Google's Blink engine.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1734620908644089.webp

There are only three major browser engines left — Apple's WebKit, Google's Blink and Gecko from Mozilla. Apple's WebKit mainly runs on Apple devices, making Gecko the only cross-platform challenger to Blink.

Remedies in the U.S. v Google search case

So how do browser engines tie into the search litigation? A key concern centers on proposed contractual remedies put forward by the DOJ that could harm the ability of independent browsers to fund their operations. Such remedies risk inadvertently harming browser and browser engine competition without meaningfully advancing search engine competition.

Firef*x and other independent browsers represent a small proportion of U.S. search queries, but they play an outsized role in providing consumers with meaningful choices and protecting user privacy. These browsers are not just alternatives — they are critical champions of consumer interests and technological innovation.

Rather than a world where market share is moved from one trillion dollar tech company to another, we would like to see actions which will truly improve competition — and not sacrifice people's privacy to achieve it. True change requires addressing the barriers to competition and facilitating a marketplace that promotes competition, innovation and consumer choice — in search engines, browsers, browser engines and beyond.

We urge the court to consider remedies that achieve its goals without harming independent browsers, browser engines and ultimately without harming the web.

We'll be sharing updates as this matter proceeds.


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At the risk of glowing, if I lose FF and have to go back to chromium based browsers I might have to do a little fedposting in Minecraft tbh. I fricking hate everything about chromium. I've always hated Google chrome. The only time I extensively used it was when they made it default on android and I liked the browser sync (seriously the android 4.0-4.4 AOSP browser was superior). I've always held out only using it when necessary, like web apps at work, or the rare occasional site I access at home that clearly has potato devs who only know chrome. I may actually be at my breaking point if i lose FF.

Any browser born after 2007 can't render, all they know is eat your data, scrape they ads, use ram, be bisexual, eat hot chip & lie

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I don't get it :marseysad:

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Get a mac and use safari then :marseysurejan:

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!linuxchads

This heathen is trying to convert me to his cult

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Stay safe fosscels. It's a cruel world out there for peoplee like us

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Why would I get a Mac?! I need to spend multiple hours of my free time customizing every little aspect of my OS to get it perpetually closer to my ideal OS! I can't just boot up an OS and go "Oh, wow, my ideal system was a garbage idea rooted in me being a fricking loser and needing to control something since my life is completely meaningless so I based my personality on customizing an operating system in which I literally do nothing of value because I spend so much time doing meanial things and oh god I haven't slept with a member of the opposite s*x ever." Do YOU want me to go through that?!!

:#soycry:

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Ok, but I also like to play computer games sometimes and you can't do that on mac

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Yes you can :marseyshapiro:

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Mafia Wars on Facebook doesn't count.

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Yes it does :marseyannoyed:

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Why would I get a Mac?! I need to spend multiple hours of my free time customizing every little aspect of my OS to get it perpetually closer to my ideal OS!

I use GNOME without extensions. I do think hyper customized setups are dumb. I even reset most custom settings every release to see how the evolving defaults suit me.

I haven't slept with a member of the opposite s*x ever

This part is true. !gay

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ye I do this too. the "you need to be a 1337 haxxor to customize linux" has been outdated for like a decade. The only thing you need to want to use/use linux is:

1) not be a cuck

2) be willing to put in half as much time into learning linux shit as you did for windows/macos already

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The biggest problem is, people say shit like, but I can't use photoshop, when they should be asking, what can I do to get the same results as photoshop?

What is Linux missing in 2025?

>Fortnite/LoL/Kernel anticheat games.

Who cares. I'm not installing spyware to play a game.

>MS office

Ok well it's avaible online, and there's plenty of office suites to choose from in Linux. Only Office is near identical.

>school or remote work spyware/vpn/similar

Ok that's fair. I had to buy a basic windows laptop for school myself since I'm going back for another degree online and their browser is only compatible on Mac and Windows. Can't frick with your bread winning.

>photoshop

First of all, that will be cloud based within 5 years anyway. Secondly, unless you're making bank (6 figures plus) as a graphics guy because you have some niche skill with it, just fricking use any of the alternatives and learn to be good with them.

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Only Office is near identical.

Said by someone who's never learned how to use excel. LibreOffice calc is shit compared to Excel, its the one program microsoft has yet to ruin.

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Macs are quite customizable though really. They have the same amount of potentially annoying features as windows, but 90% of the time you can just go into settings and turn it off or rebind the hotkey or whatever with very minimal technical capability, potential bricking your os, googling or effort required. At most you google what you want to do and you just paste a command into iterm and its done.

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Real chads use Lynx

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I've been using Firef*x daily for almost 20 years now (more than half my life lmao). I simply can't use a different browser.

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I think users here should be required to display their age bracket next to their usernames at all times

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Underage bans when? I never want to see another [24] trying to jailbait me.

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Why? :marseyconfused:

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So we can ignore everything anyone under 25 says.

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:marseyagree:

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*45

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:marseydisagree:

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Please post your journey when you're forced to learn to use a new browser :marseybegging:

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18-25 :marseywhirlyhat:

26-40 :marseyboomer:

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41-60 :platyold:

61+ :marseymummy2:

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Same. I remember back in high school in 2006ish, before IT became as robust as it is today, I would bring my own usb stick to use Firef*x portable instead of IE on school computers.

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before IT became as robust as it is today

Now you just download it from wherever, like GDrive, Dropbox, or Onedrive. Unless your IT is schizo enough to ban any .exe they didn't check themselves.

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lmao imagine complaining about ram usage in 2024

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17346395235020943.webp

watch out buddy, keep going and youll end up on /h/peakpoors

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Don't ever question my hardware 😤😤😤

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17346405941733804.webp

Chrome still uses too much

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https://media.tenor.com/ei1nvTiW5cgAAAAx/fedora-tips.webp

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>linux

I question your sanity, not you hardware

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lmao and you run linux on that thing? what a waste

total r-slur moment

keep yourself safe

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I was doing fine on 8 GB of RAM up until 4 months ago, maybe just don't open 6 gorillion tabs you r-slurs.

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A single YouTube stream on a Firef*x only running uBlock uses over a GB of RAM.

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My work computer has 64gb of ram. Never seen so much in my life before

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You sound like those r-slurs that cry about ICE cars being banned.

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I will go full boomer posting if I lose FF

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if

When.

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:marseyseethe:

I'm sure that'll be any day now

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bro there is literally no difference. this is like whining that you can only drive cars with a blue rear, there is literally no difference to be had while driving.

like its a fricking website, the browser takes up like 5 % of the screen. i found out you can even fullscreen your fricking browser, there

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My brother in Christ I don't know how finely tuned your PC is but when I am forced to use a chrome instance my cpu fan starts blasting because of the stress on the cpu from chrome. Even with 32 gigs of ram chrome instances use too much.

It's a bloated mess of a resource hog that serves nothing other than trying to deliver me ads. Frick even using stripped out chromium (my browser of choice when I need a chrome browser) it still spins up my fans like an r-slur and gobbles my ram like a death fat eating a beesechurger.

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My brother in Christ I don't know how finely tuned your PC is but when I am forced to use a chrome instance my cpu fan starts blasting because of the stress on the cpu from chrome. Even with 32 gigs of ram chrome instances use too much.

i dont know i literally know very little about computers when it gets slow i just restart my internet

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Any browser born after 2007 can't render

Okay.

android 4.0-4.4 AOSP browser was superior

That's from 2011.

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