Orange site discuss: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31881238
Random Brazil sub: https://old.reddit.com/r/brasilivre/comments/vlam2d/the_fall_of_reddit_why_its_quickly_declining_into/
Reddit is dead.
At least artistically and creatively speaking.
What started as a bastion of independent thought, Reddit has slowly devolved into a den of groupthink, censorship, and corporate greed.
“It’s true, both the government and private companies can censor stuff. But private companies are a little bit scarier because they have no constitution to answer to, they’re not elected really — all the protections we’ve built up against government tyranny don’t exist for corporate tyranny.
— Aaron Swartz, co-Founder of Reddit
There are three fundamental problems with Reddit:
1. Censorship
2. Moderator Abuse
3. Corporate Greed
But first, you should understand that the history of Reddit doomed it from the start.
The Secret History of Reddit
Reddit was launched in June 2005 by two 22-year-old graduates from the University of Virginia, Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian. The site was so small that the two co-founders had to spam links just to make Reddit seem active.
Later that year the Reddit team made arguably the most important decision of their lives: they hired a new co-founder, Aaron Swartz.
If you don’t know who Aaron Swartz was, he was a young prodigy and computer genius who, among other things, helped create RSS.
He was also an outspoken activist for free speech and open information, which made him a lot of enemies in high places.
Eventually, Aaron left Reddit after they were bought by Conde Nast (owner of Wired Magazine), but this is when he became a complete revolutionary.
Aaron became something of a Wiki Leaks-style journ*list leaking high-level secrets against corporate power. He released countless documents including the most damaging that law professors at Stanford were receiving lobbying money from oil companies such as Exxon Mobile.
Shortly after, the FBI began monitoring Aaron Swartz and he was arrested for downloading academic journals from MIT in an attempt to make them freely available online.
They threw the book at Aaron by fining him over a million dollars, charging him with 13 felonies, and giving him a 35-year prison sentence. This was seen as an act of pure revenge by the government and because of it, Aaron Swartz took his own life at the age of 26.
“I don’t want to be happy. I just want to change the world.” — Aaron Swartz
And you know what Reddit did? They scrubbed Aaron Swartz’s name from their history. If you go to the “about” page on Reddit, it makes no mention of him whatsoever.
Aaron Swartz should be a martyr, instead, he’s been erased.
It Got Worse: Censorship
After the death of Aaron Swartz, things only got worse for Reddit.
Newly appointed CEO Ellen Pao made an announcement, and I quote, that “Reddit is not a platform for free speech.”
This was the first step in what would be mass censorship on the platform.
In the years that followed Reddit banned over 7000 subreddits left and right in a never-ending stream of censorship. But the most controversial censorship occurred after the Orlando nightclub shooting.
After the shooting, the subreddit /r/news became a hub for people to discuss the event and share news articles. However, the mods of /r/news had a very different idea.
They began mass-deleting any posts that criticized Islam or mentioned the shooter’s motive of radical Islamic terrorism. They also banned anyone who spoke out against this censorship. Mods became power-hungry dictators, erasing anyone who dared to challenge them.
Reddit’s Mods Are Mall Cops Slowly Killing the Platform
Moderators on Reddit are like hall monitors who bust you for being late two seconds after the bell rang. They are the kids that ask for more homework They’re petty, they’re annoying, and they have too much power.
The mod system is completely volunteer-based which means that anyone can become a mod without any qualifications.
One of my favorite posts on Reddit had this to say about moderators:
“Mods are basically unpaid mall cops for reddit… except even mall cops know they are a joke. I think Reddit counts on the fact there are enough lonely losers out there who will moderate the site for free in exchange for the illusion of authority. These are shameful, powerless, and deeply troubled people looking to exert a measure of power anyway they can — the same kind of people who would become abusive police officers and border agents if they weren’t already so monstrously overweight.”
And because moderators are volunteer-based, they can be bribed. In fact, there have been numerous cases of mods being bribed by companies to censor certain topics or ban competing subreddits.
(Bribery taking place here, here, and here
Here is a short list of the worst most corruptable mods on Reddit:
/u/awkwardtheturtle (mod of multiple subreddits) was caught pinning his own posts to the top of subreddits for popularity and called all critics against him incels for no apparent reason.
/u/gallowboob (mod of /r/ relationship advice) would shill his friend’s marketing companies on the front page and would ban any account criticizing him.
And Finally, Corporate Greed
I only recently found out that Ghislaine Maxwell, wife to Jeffery Epstein, ran one of the most powerful Reddit accounts on the website. In fact, it was the eighth-most popular account by karma on Reddit.
I won’t get into the implications of that — as it could be an article on its own — but it's only one case of elites having massive power on Reddit.
The bigger issue is that Reddit has several competing corporate interests.
One of them is a Chinese tech giant called Tencent which made a $150 million investment in Reddit. Tencent is the world’s biggest video game company and is notorious for selling its user’s information.
Another big investor is Sequoia Capital who was found earlier this year to be [investing in corrupt companies responsible for fraudulent practices](https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/425007#:~:text=Sequoia Capital broke the silence,The allegations are deeply disturbing.").
All of these investments have one thing in common: they’ve made the website worse for users. Now — just as I wrote about YouTube — Reddit is tailored for a better corporate experience, not a better user experience.
Final Thoughts
Reddit was the first social media platform I fell in love with. It’s where I found my start as a writer and it’s helped me procrastinate many late-night essays.
But it’s time to go.
It’s become a shell of its former self and something that Aaron Swartz would not be proud of. And even though Reddit is pretty much a corporate propaganda machine the users still think it’s a secret club for intellectual dynamos that “fricking love science.”
No matter what you believe in, wisdom isn’t achieved living inside a bubble of utopian ideals.
Although some of my favorite online communities are on Reddit like /r/FoodNYC or /r/OnePunchMan, for the most part, I think it’s time to move on.
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We're not a nihilistic circlejerk!!!
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You made them delete their comment.
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It’s not deleted, it got flagged. It’s still there if you have showdead on.
The full comment seems to both be defending posting r*pe fantasies / links about real girls and attacking trumpers? Strange combo
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The mind of a wingcuck is truly an enigma
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Yeah, we're a post-modern harassment ecosystem or some shit like that
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Postmodern obscurants, actually
Trans lives matter
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*ecosystem of postmodern hate and harassment
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Cryptohate syndicate
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The front page of /r/drama is full of 2+ month old posts, the fact we're still being mentioned proves we're anything but nihilistic
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The way orange site fades comments to the background color is so fricking gay
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Lol nope. It was over for dramacels.
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So true, men don't deserve rights
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I mean, kinda.
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That's actually a really neutered article that fails to scratch even the surface of the problems at Reddit.
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It was posted on medium so there's only so much the author can say without being [deleted]
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Wait, Medium is censored as well?
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Yeah, that's probably why substack is thriving
https://4w.pub/misogyny-on-medium/
https://scribe.rip/kendawg/how-to-avoid-censorship-on-medium-bddadf68311d
I probably don't agree with everything TERFs might say but I don't think they should be censored like this
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Wonder how long till that comment gets flagged and greyed out on Orange site.
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substack is in california. they'll do the same once they get a bit bigger
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I like how the TERFs can’t even hide the fact that they hate men like in every goddarn sentence.
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And how it's totally ignored in every attack on them. No one gives a shit about hating men until they put on the dress.
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It's in the RF
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Oh for crying out loud.
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That’s why substack exists
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It was amazingly low effort and so out of date it referenced gallowboob as one of the (only 2 listed!) most abusive mods on Reddit. And the author even claims to be a redditors, lol. My contempt for journos grows daily.
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AFAIK Gallowboob was never a toxic mod either, he was just someone who realised he could make money by reposting viral clickbait. He never did it for free and he didn't tend to get bogged down in politics.
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boob is an honest grifter, he is in for the pay not to work for free like the average janny
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Pretty sure he had a problem sending unsolicited nudes to users, including minors.
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Except when he banned you from every sub he moderated because he did not like one of your comments.
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No ones dares to bard the finn
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Gallowboob hasnt been notable for like two years.
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I was hoping he'd roped himself, but if he had, he would have spammed some dumb meme video about suicide on every single subreddit beforehand. Instead it looks like he's done the unthinkable and is laying low.
Of course, "they" might be a more suitible pronoun for gallow. Not because of some emby nonsense, but it's probable the account is run by a (paid) team rather than a single man.
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Probably just got a real job and/or girlfriend.
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Was he ever actually a Powerjanny for political censorship? I thought he was just a link reposter who hid people calling out him specifically
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He mostly censored people for disliking him, but he was also a part of the political Censorship and added other political jannies whenever he infiltrated a sub.
Mostly though, he doesn't do much moderating.
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That’s a name I haven’t thought about in quite some time
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Out of these 3 only 1 is the real problem, the first two are just being a decent human being.
PS thanks @Aevann for breaking down the markdown engine
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quoting lists was always broken sweaty
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It's not broken in mistletoe all the esoteric stuff that happens after and before the text being processed by mistletoe breaks it. I could fix it myself but I am too lazy and bitching about it is much easier
https://drtransmisia.github.io/mistletoe/
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I think @Aevann's probably on vacation or just finished his finals so maybe he'll fix it
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He is at the bazar at the moment to buy stuff
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I was just at a hookah bar the other day. I’d love to choof with out king capy
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Agreed, only censorship is a real problem.
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I'd add a fourth: the average user there is a pathetic, narrow minded, easily programmed infant with few redeeming characteristics beyond being profitable for reddit as a business.
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objectively true
Few things piss me off more than the redditor, convinced he is smart while simultaneously refusing under any circumstances to question anything he hears that validates his current political opinions.
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But still less profitable than a user on virtually any other social media platform.
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The average reddit user is the average American. The site's way too big and there's no longer any barrier to entry (like the old site design).
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No one actually believes that Ghislaine is behind that news mod account, right?
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Just some loser roleplaying and terminally online watching her every move to act in a manner consistent with a small time celebrity out of bizarre obsession. Wait I was being ironic is that literally the story?
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I want it to be true
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They forgot all the libertarian shit allowed to run loose, and the admins literally protecting pedos, and Ellen Pao knowing about Epstein's diddling.
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I don't think pao knew about epstein at all. She had her own shitty husband buddy something-or-other
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She deleted this tweet when she realised it also implicated her
She was in their social circles, and she knew, but being a money-addicted neoliberal b-word, she let it slide.
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I don't think that tweet really implicates her tbh
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I'm not big on moral circlejerks, but saying "yeah I knew they were fricking kids" but you didn't say anything AND you continued to thrive in circles where it was common knowledge is darning.
But also, I don't think Pao knew shit. To me this just looks like rich foid moral clout chasing.
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She knew because Epstein had already been in court at that point. What was there to tattle on?
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Oh, I didn't know that's how it lines up.
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I knew she was fricking kids, shes fricking gislane maxwell for gods sakes
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In a just world, it does.
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I’m surprised the orange site hasn’t picked up on the decline of reddit, and focuses on shit that happened five years ago.
Reddit turned insufferable before the last election. If you remove the bots on the site there’s be only bardfinn left
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🚨Bard bot alert!🚨
Reset the counter. Current counter was: 0 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes
Record is 0 days, 21 hours
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Reddit turned insufferable back when Ron Paul was running... There's a reason the first "Enough[thing]Spam" sub was Ron Paul.
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Orange Site has been letting Reddit pseudo intellectuals slowly infest the site. Mod of /r/relationshipadvice posts there often despite their only 1337 hacker skills being CSS.
I'm guessing orange site (also an investor of Reddit) will have mostly lukewarm comments about the websites death spiral with a handful of programmer socks persons melting down
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It was a different atmosphere a decade ago. It was always kind of r-slurred but it feels way more r-slurred today. Eternal September consumes everything.
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This is why rdrama needs to have seasons and a battlepass
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this tbh
we already have a v-bucks system
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Mass purges and backstabbings
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Yeah, same way with slashdot, after they got bought by dice it completely turned to shit
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If you want a site where you need to put up or shut up https://lobste.rs/ is your site but it’s mostly full of
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Is it a group of people who support human rights for lobster-kin?
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yes
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spotted
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Lol ok dude. That's what KiA said a while ago back. The thing is, reddit is really good at censorship of anything even slightly right, and will survive because of global left.
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Lol you downmarseyd him? K.
Anyways, you seem weirded out by the idea of reddit being a global left. How am I wrong?
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The earth is a sphere, there is no global left.
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So what's West then?
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The part that doesn't smell like poo, yes this does disqualify much of California.
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It blows my mind that people will still unironically pretend that reddit moderates in a balanced way.
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they only ban bad guys chud
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OUT!!!
trans lives matter
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rdrama.net was my first love
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Yeah it was Digg.
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Reddit died the day they banned /r/sexwithdogs
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Proof that reddit hates women
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Fixed that for you broseph.
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(Explanation: once Reddit was scared of showing Objectively offensive and wrong Contet that made the site look bad it started losing the free speech battle The creators had in mind. Well the ban of the aforementioned sub is right in almost everyone’s mind, we are now seeing the repercussions of letting Admins decide what is objectively too inappropriate to have on the site. ) ((don’t frick dogs plz))
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No they didn't. That was the maximum cumulative sentence possible for the charges, and prosecution never went far enough for any sentence to occur. The maximum also almost never happens, and prosecutors weren't even pushing for long sentencing for Swartz.
J*urnalists love to mention maximum possible sentences for shock value even though they mean little to nothing in practice. Courts actually would have used federal sentencing guidelines, which are way below the maximums.
Realistically, Swartz faced a small fraction of that time in prison, if any time at all.
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Wasn’t he just releasing stuff anyone with JSTOR had access to? Like bro, if you’re gonna do something illegal, make it cool. This article literally compared him to WikiLeaks revealing secret torture programs lol
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Snapshots:
https://web.archive.org/https://scribe.rip/yardcouch-com/the-fall-of-reddit-why-its-quickly-declining-into-chaos-cb0da61aca56
https://archive.ph/?url=https://scribe.rip/yardcouch-com/the-fall-of-reddit-why-its-quickly-declining-into-chaos-cb0da61aca56&run=1 (click to archive)
https://ghostarchive.org/search?term=https://scribe.rip/yardcouch-com/the-fall-of-reddit-why-its-quickly-declining-into-chaos-cb0da61aca56 (click to archive)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31881238:
https://web.archive.org/https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31881238
https://archive.ph/?url=https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31881238&run=1 (click to archive)
https://ghostarchive.org/search?term=https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31881238 (click to archive)
https://old.reddit.com/r/brasilivre/comments/vlam2d/the_fall_of_reddit_why_its_quickly_declining_into/:
https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/brasilivre/comments/vlam2d/the_fall_of_reddit_why_its_quickly_declining_into/
https://web.archive.org/https://old.reddit.com/r/brasilivre/comments/vlam2d/the_fall_of_reddit_why_its_quickly_declining_into/
https://archive.ph/?url=https://old.reddit.com/r/brasilivre/comments/vlam2d/the_fall_of_reddit_why_its_quickly_declining_into/&run=1 (click to archive)
https://ghostarchive.org/search?term=https://old.reddit.com/r/brasilivre/comments/vlam2d/the_fall_of_reddit_why_its_quickly_declining_into/ (click to archive)
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https://web.archive.org/https://i.rdrama.net/images/1684139238331921.webp
https://archive.ph/?url=https://i.imgur.com/rEWrxU0_d.webp?maxwidth=9999&fidelity=high&run=1 (click to archive)
https://ghostarchive.org/search?term=https://i.imgur.com/rEWrxU0_d.webp?maxwidth=9999&fidelity=high (click to archive)
censorship:
https://web.archive.org/https://youtube.com/watch?v=0SQ-TJKPPIg&t=0s
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banned over 7000 subreddits:
https://web.archive.org/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/reddit-subreddit-ban-hate-speech-crackdown-a9682626.html
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https://ghostarchive.org/search?term=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/reddit-subreddit-ban-hate-speech-crackdown-a9682626.html (click to archive)
/r/news:
https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/news
https://web.archive.org/https://old.reddit.com/r/news
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https://ghostarchive.org/search?term=https://old.reddit.com/r/news (click to archive)
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https://web.archive.org/https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841392387995496.webp
https://archive.ph/?url=https://i.imgur.com/0vhmgKL_d.webp?maxwidth=9999&fidelity=high&run=1 (click to archive)
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here:
https://web.archive.org/https://scribe.rip/yardcouch-com/playstationlifestyle.net/2015/11/12/star-wars-battlefront-reddit-mods-bribed/#/slide/1
https://archive.ph/?url=https://scribe.rip/yardcouch-com/playstationlifestyle.net/2015/11/12/star-wars-battlefront-reddit-mods-bribed/#/slide/1&run=1 (click to archive)
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here:
https://web.archive.org/https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/ge2p2y/meta_drama_sweeping_reddit_after_the_mods_at/
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here:
https://web.archive.org/https://thenextweb.com/news/three-pornish-reddit-admins-have-been-booted-over-corruption-charges
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https://ghostarchive.org/search?term=https://thenextweb.com/news/three-pornish-reddit-admins-have-been-booted-over-corruption-charges (click to archive)
/u/awkwardtheturtle:
https://search.marsey.cat/reddit-search/#%7B%22author%22:%22awkwardtheturtle%22,%22resultSize%22:100%7D
https://web.archive.org/https://old.reddit.com/user/awkwardtheturtle
https://archive.ph/?url=https://old.reddit.com/user/awkwardtheturtle&run=1 (click to archive)
https://ghostarchive.org/search?term=https://old.reddit.com/user/awkwardtheturtle (click to archive)
/u/gallowboob:
https://search.marsey.cat/reddit-search/#%7B%22author%22:%22gallowboob%22,%22resultSize%22:100%7D
https://web.archive.org/https://old.reddit.com/user/gallowboob
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https://ghostarchive.org/search?term=https://old.reddit.com/user/gallowboob (click to archive)
ran one of the most powerful Reddit accounts on the website:
https://web.archive.org/https://www.the-sun.com/news/4460492/ghislaine-maxwell-reddit-account-arrest/
https://archive.ph/?url=https://www.the-sun.com/news/4460492/ghislaine-maxwell-reddit-account-arrest/&run=1 (click to archive)
https://ghostarchive.org/search?term=https://www.the-sun.com/news/4460492/ghislaine-maxwell-reddit-account-arrest/ (click to archive)
[investing in corrupt companies responsible for fraudulent practices](https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/425007#:~:text=Sequoia Capital broke the silence,The allegations are deeply disturbing."):
[http://archive.org](https://web.archive.org/https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/425007#:~:text=Sequoia Capital broke the silence,The allegations are deeply disturbing.")
https://archive.ph/?url=https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/425007#:~:text=Sequoia%20Capital%20broke%20the%20silence,The%20allegations%20are%20deeply%20disturbing.%22&run=1 (click to archive)
https://ghostarchive.org/search?term=https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/425007#:~:text=Sequoia%20Capital%20broke%20the%20silence,The%20allegations%20are%20deeply%20disturbing.%22 (click to archive)
just as I wrote about YouTube:
https://web.archive.org/https://mccallisaiah.medium.com/youtube-is-dead-and-something-new-is-replacing-it-14d061c2f0cb
https://archive.ph/?url=https://mccallisaiah.medium.com/youtube-is-dead-and-something-new-is-replacing-it-14d061c2f0cb&run=1 (click to archive)
https://ghostarchive.org/search?term=https://mccallisaiah.medium.com/youtube-is-dead-and-something-new-is-replacing-it-14d061c2f0cb (click to archive)
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wtf is this marsey supposed to be
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Tiger Ball
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This is written like a bad high school blog
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Poor Aaron. 38 years in prison for stealing books. That's more than most murderers and libertarians get. Kind of makes you realizes what our nation's priorities are and whom our legal system was set up to protect.
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🦀🦀🦀REDDIT IS GONE🦀🦀🦀
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Maxwellhill is not Ghislaine Maxwell's account.
AssuredlyAThrowAway knows the person who owns the account personally and says it's a dude
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What a stupid fricking post.
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Wtf based article?
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I had never heard of Aaron Swartz before. Jesus.
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I do think free speech guys take a lot of Ls and I think HNs moderation is (non-ironically) mostly okay for it’s purposes. rDrama strikes a decent balance, if a little incoherent what the party line is, but posting on Reddit makes me want to go to a free speech extremist forum.
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