https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1632558043517861889
Looks like the Ukrainians have dropped a U.S.-donated JDAM bomb by plane on Russian positions for the first time.
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 6, 2023
Huge explosion… pic.twitter.com/mLelwx2Idl
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this is ultra cope, under the soviets russia went from an agrarian serf state to putting men on space, doing all this while being hated and targetted by the rest of the world.
There is no feat in human history that can compare to this
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best neocon take
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By misallocating resources to the point people were starving to death and Chernobyl happened. They didn't have the resources to sanely accomplish what they did, it was all a giant bluff.
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Holodomor was the last peacetime famine russia ever experienced and the tsardom had a holodomor scale famine every decade.
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There was another major famine in 1947, war ended in 1945.
The worst famine under tsarist rule was in 1891 and it killed 500,000 people. Holodomer killed >3.5 million people in Ukraine alone and a decade earlier a famine killed 5 million.
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1946 and due too having too take care of everything between the Elbe in germany and moscow that was totaled from the war. And they weren’t allowed too trade with the west. Unless you really want too claim this counts as peacetime and wasn’t due too the largest war in history.
Which happened every decade with stunning regularity and the figures for Tsarist russia are barely able too be estimated due too having 1 population census and the government’s habit of labeling starvation deaths as deaths due too disease. Here’s an interesting read (don’t worry, the authors don’t like stalin so it’s not some uber biased crapheap): https://www.sociostudies.org/journal/articles/2914785/
The constant hunger was one of the main reasons the tsar was overthrown.
That, and let’s not forget that the kulak response too collectivization was too burn huge amounts of their crop and kill many of their animals, turning what would’ve been a smaller famine into the giant one we know today. Could Stalin have handled it a lot better? Yup. Was collectivization rushed too fast? Yes. Did Stalin expect half the harvest too be lit of fire too spite the government? Nope. Did that escalate a more common type of famine into a once in a century event? Yes.
Brutal Civil war, right after ww1. Not a peacetime famine.
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Two years after the war is definitely peacetime lmao. The 1947 famine had largely the same reasons as the 1932 famine, government incompetence.
You illiterate zigger it’s a study about 1892 specifically and it gives 530,000 deaths. Where does it say there were millions like happened in multiple Soviet famines?
”Why did the poor harvests of 1906 and 1911 not lead to mass deaths? After the catastrophe of 1892 an effective system of food security was created.”
Wow it’s like pre-WWI Russia was actually a vastly more competent government than the Soviet Union and was successfully modernizing, only to get their shit kicked in so hard they never recovered. Vatnigs btfo by their own sources, it’s like Tannenberg all over again.
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Read it again.
Wow. You didn’t read it. Shocking. It’s about excess deaths and large amounts of hunger in 1891 and further back you r-slur. Please read it.
Gotta be trolling
but I’ll bite.
11% literarcy rate, lowest GPD per capita in Europe, incompetent military, less industry than Austria-Hungary, and plagued by instability.
Only took the Tsarist regime a full century after western europe too create localized grain silos. Also, this argument also works for the USSR which ended the famines and actually industrialized russia something the tsarist regimes were always too incompetent too do. And they did it quickly.
And before you say
Those “studies” assume growth as constant and the Tsars suddenly becoming competent administrators. Oh, and the same quality of study says the USSR would’ve surpassed the USA in 2006 if it hadn’t broken up. They are pretty bullshit.
Now stop being purposely obtuse. It doesn’t work.
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Alas, more ziggernotions and ziggerlies. The body is literally titled “ESTIMATING EXCESS MORTALITY IN 1889–1893” ie. The Great Famine ie. the worst famine in the pre-Soviet era, and it looks specifically at 1892. “This paper has presented an estimate of the number of victims of the famine that peaked in 1892 which is much higher than the previously presented estimates.”
In other words it covers one famine.
Incidentally their methodology also estimates a higher-than-normal Holodomer death toll of over 9 million. Of course you skipped over that part, because vatnig schools make Boston public schools look like Oxford. Do the perfidious ziggerschools teach anything beyond how to get r*ped in the army before driving over a landmine?
Only took a full 40 years after Imperial Russia ended them
Up to 1940 levels, after which they stagnated for 50 years until they collapsed under their own weight
Yeah collapsing under the sheer weight of your own stagnation is a better indicator of potential growth than actually growing until a catastrophic war destroys your government. Imagine finding a way to collapse that’s even more embarrassing than getting bussy blasted by Hapsbergs so hard that you were on the winning side but still lost
Like I’m being pro-zigger here, I’m saying that Russian could have been a modern, livable country fit for human beings if WWI hadn’t fricked them over. You’re basically arguing that they’ve been doomed to fail since the beginning.
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No,
@Punished_RFV2 admit too collectivization killing 10 million as that is what Stalin admits too. However, kulaks burning half the crop yield.
Despite being mainly about one famine (which they declare may have killed multiple millions), also mentions excess dating back too 1868. Please read more than the names.
The Russian empire never ended the malnutrition or food scarcity and didn’t have too deal with -
Repairing damage from a massive civil war following a world war (famine 1921)
Peasants literally killing something like 60% (don’t remember exact numbers, was very high -@idio3 correct
@Punished_RFV2 if I’m wrong) of their animals (1932) too spite the government.
Massive international sanctions.
And the Tsardom definitely didn’t have famines in 1897, 1901, 1906, and 1911 that required international aid which the Soviets did not get, and whose policy of charity aid and redistribution completely broke in ww1.
Literally r-slurred. Do you think the Soviets would’ve been a superpower that terrified the west if this was true? It’s cold war propaganda.
So true. The Soviets definitely weren’t undemocratically dismantled by Yeltsin, Gorbachev, and their goons too be sold for scrap against the wishes of the Soviet people. And the Russian empire was definitely growing being perpetually stuck 80-100 years behind the great powers in all areas.
Lol.
Face it, the Soviets took the backwater of Europe and turned it into an industrial superpower that beat back the largest invasion in history, developed nuclear weapons and put men into orbit in under 40 years.
I’ll tell you what, you aren’t calling all Russians subhumans who should’ve been generalplan Ost’d so you’re already doing better than most anti communists here.
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Yeah they did so well that the USSR had three major multi-year famines in as many decades and collapsed less than 70 years after it was formed. Nobody’s doubting your average Ruski’s ability to copy US technology, as long as that technology is exclusively weaponry or spaceshit and not something that would result in them being a stable and functional country.
The USSR was a meme state that managed to somehow convince everyone that they were a superpower, and modern Russia is a far less relevant power, both militarily and economically (5th largest economy in 1914 and growing fast), than they were before WWI. Imagine sucking off a country whose entire upward trajectory was derailed and is now doomed to eternal stagnation and decline by Austria-Hungary of all countries lmfao.
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yes USSR was such a meme state, thats why NATO was terrified of them. keep coping, the time of the US empire is coming to an end, and unlike Russia it will not bounce back
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Yeah that puts Russia alongside such esteemed company as North Korea and Libya, good job.
The USSR was described as a superpower because they acted as a superpower was expected to act and the world reacted to them as a superpower, but they didn’t have anything to back it up beyond nukes. They memed their way into major power status and once everyone realized it in the ‘80s (after they got BTFO in yet another war) the whole thing collapsed.
Cope and seethe. Dilate, even. It’s been over for vatnigs since 1914 and all of Russia’s greatest achievements since then have been accidentally killing its own people over and over and over again.
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all 3 of those countries are awesome, or at least libya was before you removed gaddafi
so the only thing that matters?
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Sure, if you agree that at its peak the USSR was as much of a superpower as present-day bongland and Pakistan.
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This comment is completely
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TBH Alexander's conquests are up there for great historical achievements.
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I would still rate Soviets above because Russia was absolutely shambles before they took over, meanwhile Alexander had his army built for him. But I dont want to remove from Alexander's acomplishments of course
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