If the latest @Deepstate_UA map is correct, General Syrski is living up to his reputation … :soycry: /jihad Julian

https://x.com/julianroepcke/status/1816003408572174346

Like for real every morning now Julian Jihad post about that things don't going well for Ukraine but Ukraine is winning :marseysmug3:

https://x.com/julianroepcke/status/1815974453685240277

Here he shows the second encirclement

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17218196119182708.webp

And one way more important to Ukraine since as you see its last og line that didn't moved.

If they lose that line this would happen

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17218196120944557.webp

they will lose everything till that yellow like and battle of konstantin and chasiv yar would take place at same time

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17218196126261218.webp

As you see the map is full with triangles and that means significant landscape. That place is basically death trap for offensive but nevertheless Ukrainian planned (or at least Zelenskyy been demanding) to attack in that direction and capture Horlivka

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1721819613336988.webp

In this article from October 2023

When I raised these claims with a senior military officer, he said that some commanders have little choice in second-guessing orders from the top. At one point in early October, he said, the political leadership in Kyiv demanded an operation to "retake" the city of Horlivka, a strategic outpost in eastern Ukraine that the Russians have held and fiercely defended for nearly a decade. The answer came back in the form of a question: With what? "They don't have the men or the weapons," says the officer. "Where are the weapons? Where is the artillery? Where are the new recruits?"

But don't worry Ukraine did captured Horlivka

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17218196139773252.webp

They basically captured one of those triangles on the map and called it "capture of Horlivka" it was basically krinky little, they held that triangle for mb couple of days but the story was in media for a month.

I already many times wrote the reason why:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17218196146238828.webp

Ukraine send all its assault reserves to north Kharkiv to have 6 to 1 advantage over Russian

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17218196148947928.webp

And they were pushed back

https://media.giphy.com/media/10JhviFuU2gWD6/giphy.webp

Majority analyst were expecting Ukrainian success since the goal of Russian was just to pull Ukrainian reserves so Ukrainian don't counter attack in ocheretyne and etc

Yet Ukraine managed to lose :marseyitneverbegan:

Ukraine legit hopped to "counter offensive" this year Horlivka or from belohorivka Lugansk. Booth those directions are :marseykey: :marseyjanny2: and offensive capabilities gone.

But when everything looks bad pro khohol, don't forget you have f16 and

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17218196152189114.webp

Russia tho suggested if Ukraine blows up Crimea bridge Russia will blow up "Kyiv Reservoir"

Wikipedia:

Worries about possible destruction arose again in February 2022 during the Kyiv offensive. Russian forces took control of the power plant on 25 or 26 February.[1] Ukrainian forces recaptured it on 26 February.[2] It was claimed that Ukrainian air defenses intercepted a missile flying towards the dam. Interfax stated that if the dam were to fail, flooding could destroy "the entire left bank of Kyiv".

So go Ukraine, it will literally make north east Ukraine very hard to supply

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Scale of these maps: 1cm=10cm

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Coping hard that Ukraine with 70% of US yearly military budget couldn't do anything in 2 years ?

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70% of US yearly military budget

30%, not 70%. Within the first 2 years the US had sent 60 billion worth of equipment (and a bit of cash), which is 30% of those 2 years' combined military budget of 1.696 trillion.

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I am not talking only about US aid. Total aid to Ukraine is now over 600 billions and yearly budget of U.S. military is 800 billions so roughly 70% in 2 years.

US spend on Ukraine around 200 billions. 60billion is military equipment if we look only at military equipment I doubt US spend 800 billions every year on military equipment.

Procurement of weapons and systems cost $142 billion in 2023 and $122 billion was spent on research and development of weapons and equipment. The military also spent over $10 billion on the construction and management of military facilities and $1 billion on family housing.

2023 was special year tho. So US spends majority of military budget on salary. It also tho improved Ukrainian salaries tho. Before it all started Ukrainian soldier salaries were like 150 dollars a month now it's 1500 and it's net (tax free). At the first 6 months their salaries were 3000-5000 dollars net, that's more than burgers salary

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Most of that $200 billion is not going to Ukraine.

It's important to note that of the $175 billion total, only $107 billion directly aids the government of Ukraine. Most of the remainder is funding various U.S. activities associated with the war in Ukraine, and a small portion supports other affected countries in the region

The 107 is also allocated, not what we have actually spent. We have only spent around $60 billion on direct aid to Ukraine.

Welcome to the joy of government spending, where 200 billion dollars "for Ukraine" was actually for a bunch of unrelated shit Congress wanted funded.

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US gives Ukraine shells it made in 2023 to Ukraine for free and ask the money to replace them and then says the money actually stayed in U.S.

Then they also saying they are creating jobs, but the end product goes to Ukraine for free. So someone has to pay for material, workforce, logistic, big man % and etc, and it's the tax payers.

All those atacms and patriot US gave to Ukraine are new and US don't have many of those. Despite the rhetoric US don't give Ukraine much stuff build before 2005. Even Bradley that Russian captured were from 2022 modification.

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Wow, this is some real hot goss! :marseygossip:

I'll make sure to inform my senator that the people are being taken advantage of, thank you. :marseyindignant:

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My point was that with such financial support Ukraine managed to capture zero settlements and somehow stolen decent amount on fortification

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17218241907755423.webp

I back then even thought they would say more about this but they buried that story first with

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17218241912901165.webp

Then with

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17218241916863363.webp

So Ukraine blamed the west for that failure and that it wasn't Ukrainian corruption and west accepted this rhetoric

But guess what

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1721824192129156.webp

Only yesterday there was new corruption event with fortifications in Kharkiv :marseythumbsup:

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>My point was that with such financial support Ukraine managed too capture zero settlements

Oh no :marseycry: so they have only ever taken back their land which was occupied? Where are the settlements in the red?

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My point was that with such financial support Ukraine managed to capture zero settlements and somehow stolen decent amount on fortification

So it's only a hundred times more useful than the rest of the taxes I pay instead of a thousand? :marseyemojirofl:

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!friendsofbussy-boy bot vs esl debate :marseyshapiro:

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No @Bussy-boy is not ESL @Bussy-boy was born in the USA! @Bussy-boy was just born in the wrong body, and that's why @Bussy-boy is proud LGBTQ+.

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Maybe Sal is a bot :marseythonk:

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Who chudded her :marseymad:

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Hot Goss sounds like the reunion tour for shitty indie

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!edgelords, let us hear what Hot Gossip sounds like again

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*3%, a trillion is 1000 billions

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Lmao my math is terrible. Thanks for the correction.

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couldn't do anything in 2 years

is still a country while a much bigger/stronger/richer neighbor has been trying to conquer them

hmm...

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JD: we wanted Ukraine to be equal partner and not our welfare state

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junkyard dog?

https://media.giphy.com/media/1zRiDI7OP6CMLt1uLJ/giphy.webp

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Have Russians managed pull off even one(1) complete(not just a partial one with a botched retreat like Avdiivka) encirclement in the last two years? I'm under the impression that they haven't and that such a thing is very difficult in 2024 due to all the drones and sensors making it hard to surprise and catch the enemy off guard.

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They are definitely gonna do it, just give it some more time. Maybe 14 days?

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No, but it's also considered full encirclements are risky because the book they follow "art of war" says an encircled opponents will fight very fiercely so you should always give him opportunities to retreat and shot at him when he tries to retreat.

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>fiercly

r-slurred way of stating your point. True encirclement means people encircled fully plan on fighting to the death. That outcome leads to unexpectedly higher casualties if it is anything other than shooting fish in a barrel. Setting up for an unorganized retreat, i.e. giving the appeareance of a future encirclement is the best bet. If you want to talk about this shit and use the triangles and make yourself feel like an armchair general don't write like an absolute fricking dumbass.

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But chunks love to use pathos words. And look how with one word I described your wall of text :marseybinladen:

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This war is such a win for Russia, bro.

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Yeah, already took over 50% of Ukrainian resources and made sure to neutralise its main threat to monopoly in Europe it also improved its monopoly in nuclear stuff, Wagner experience in bakhmut helped kicking out frogs out of Niger. You so smart

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Israel is advancing faster in terrorist tunnel heck than rusyians are in empty fields. What a joke.

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Gaza is 365 square kilometers.

That's less than what Russia captured this year.

So you proved your on coping overdrive

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They reached the center of Khan Yunis in a single day, rusharts haven't taken a small undefended border town in months.

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Israel's fighting a militia whose greatest military asset is missiles made of sewage pipes to be fair.

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Israel is advancing faster

Proved you wrong.

But you see you are not very smart, you comparing Israel that has full western support just like Ukraine has, to Ukrainian event.

So one phrase owns you

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I hear Russia took sukem, it's over 😞

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Yes it's over

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1721826507914656.webp

Ukraine now begs for fair peace.

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Sukem nuts b-word

gottem

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:marseycheerup:

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only 500k casualties for few square km of land, total hohol cope!

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I mean you are presenting khohol cope as facts. So you clearly coping :surejan:

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Look at this masterplay massive WW2 style encirclement taking place. This guy plays Hoi4.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17218538411538942.webp

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>he's still treating Jihad Julian doom posts as significant

:#marseynothingburger: just like 99.99% of his other posts

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Any proof that Ukraine losing its best defence lines is not significant?

What's more true, this claim:

just like 99.99% of his other posts

Or that you are an idiot ?

Oh wait you are the guy that eaten this khohol cope that Julian made about aggregate plant:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1721824996200739.webp

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So has Russia captured Vovchansk yet?

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You can't read ?

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@Aevann https://i.rdrama.net/images/17218364510231185.webp encirclement :marseysoypoint:

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Factcheck: This claim has been confirmed as correct by experts.


This post was reviewed by an independent team of fact checkers.

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/ I think you miss the point. Not many people think a full defeat and territory re-capture is possible for Ukraine but funding them is worth it even if it is inevitable that they will eventually lose. Considering Russia managed to take around 15% of Ukraine in over 2 years it is worth funding Ukraine because it weakens Russia economically and reputationally to be in this ongoing war with no positive results. NATO can achieve this by sending their old guns and some dollars,  and they don't have to send a single person to fight or die. They can dunk on a nuclear power at little risk to them. It's the cheapest and most valuable proxy war in recent history  On the other side there is little motivation for Russian allies to help them in what is effectively a pointless regional conflict for no gain except for Putin's personal pride. Even China cannot provide weapons and direct support, instead providing tools and electronics, 1) because they view the war as tactical disaster but don't want to alienate their strongest ally, and 2) because they are scared shitless of what Daddy America will do if they did. Basically, this thing is a fucking disaster for Russia and this fact will remain no matter how many hohols you kill now. America and NATO are laughing either way.
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You could have done crack instead of this shit

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