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EFFORTPOST Redditors doing the copemath

https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1hqz104/territory_taken_during_2024_by_russian_and_ukraine/

								

								

Russian is acquiring territory at a rate of 100 dead/km². Another 50 million dead, and they'll control all of Ukraine.

There are more than 50 million Russians, so it's doable.

So smart.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1735760891bT8Xsfa_ZgkwcQ.webp

Yet he forgets that Ukraine is about to mobilise their 18 years old. And that Russian captured in 2024 more than in 2023 and all their big gains happened the last 3 months.

Why look at those facts if it will make things look bad for Ukraine ? I mean Ukraine is going to win any moment they get the game changer… wait he ain't talking about Ukrainian victory, what happened ? :marseytroll:

Area taken really doesn't show the full picture. You could probably calculate that it would take something like 100 years for Russia to take the whole of Ukraine. However neither Russia or Ukraine can't keep this level of warfare up more than a few years at most. One of them will eventually collapse either from lack of manpower/equipment or due to economy.

Shut up stupid Redditor

This. One of them is going to give up because both are really, really struggling. Both are running out if people. Both are irritating their allies. Both are getting increasingly desperate.

Exactly

The difference is that Russia is running on volunteers while Ukraine is conscription. Most of those volunteers come from the most impoverished areas of Russia and even from foreign countries. Russia can keep the war going much longer than Ukraine

Shut up no truth Russian soldiers having low moral

https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1fng9wy/russian_morale_is_collapsing_now_is_the_time_to/

Well, this ignores the fact that Russia is losing its position in the world (like in Syria) and that its economy is increasingly in trouble. It also misses the fact that the motivations are dramatically different. The Ukrainians are fighting for their very survival, they have very little incentive to surrender. The Russians are fighting for pride and money, which means they just want it all to wrap up quickly. The Ukrainians are far more committed to their fight than the Russians who are just there for a paycheck.

Exactly !

Ukrainian so motivated that after half year training in France they run away from their first battle. Not the second or third but first :marseybinladen:

Majority of Ukrainian dislike Zelenskyy, don't want 18 year old mobilised are ready to give up the territory

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1735760891GvPR-02rb_b-Sg.webp

Burgers cuts the nafo budget and all the "combat Russian misinformation" budget. Media starts painting digits that tell majority of European now want it all just end :marseyjanny2:

Ahmad Al Sharaa said in an interview with Saudi Arabian state-owned news outlet Al Arabiya this weekend. "We do not want Russia to leave Syria in the way that some wish."

Al Sharaa, still better known by his nom de guerre Abu Mohammad Al Jolani (and other simply just as Jolani), is head of Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), which led the rebel coalition that deposed Assad.

"All of Syria's arms are of Russian origin, and many power plants are managed by Russian experts," Al Sharaa further told Al Arabiya, while also highlighting the "deep strategic interests" of what he described as the "second most powerful country in the world."

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Was insisting to me that Russian run away from that base like almost a month ago. Except Ukraine and EU (that ain't even part of that Syrian party) ain't interested in Russian leaving Syria. Redditors are too stupid to understand Israel, US, Turkey and the new Syrian gov won't benefit from Russian leaving.

"That isn't entirely true Russia forces are actually expanding And that has been noted on many occasions by NATO generals 1- https://www.businessinsider.com/top-us-general-russia-growing-back-pre-war-military-strength-2024-4

2- Atlantic council talking about how Russia military is expanding and it might reach peak military production in 2025 -2026 https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/in-depth-research-reports/report/nato-russia-dynamics-prospects-for-reconstitution-of-russian-military-power/

3- https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4589095-russian-army-grown-ukraine-war-us-general/

4- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-16/putin-says-russia-recruited-more-than-430-000-to-army-this-year

Since start of the war Russia conducted a semi mobilization for reserves

Meanwhile ukraine conducted six mobilization efforts in 2014 and 2015 Since the start of the war Ukraine have conducted countless mobilization and Ukraine has been snatching people from streets for year and half now

Antony blinken said in interview that Ukraine Basically has more equipment than troops at this point of time and they need to mobilize fast and also No increase in equipments will save them

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Stupid Redditor making sense

With Trump as president, Ukraine will fall. It's a sad reality but we need to start admitting it.

This is smart Redditor, despite Ukraine last victory was on October 3rd 2022 so more than 50% of Biden presidency was without Ukrainian victories. So next years you will hear from them that Ukraine lost because of Trump :marseyxd:

Because if Biden had won then Ukrainian demographics would been fixed. Can you argue with it ? You can't because you ain't multiverse creature that can test it :surejan:

That what I am talking about ! Oh wait it's not Ukraine going to win it's Russia going to collapse because subliminally they know Ukraine ain't going to win so they are coping with Russia will callabse :soyjakwow:

My fav prokhohol last year was this guy

Writes billions words in early December about Russian are now slowing down, Russian in December 2024 had best month since March 2022. Slowing down baby :gigachad2:

First, there is this pervasive idea that being mobilized into the military is basically a death sentence. Which is entirely untrue.

:marseyxd: :marseycoin: :marseyonegramgold:

Ukraine literally didn't had any demobilisation the only way you get delisted from army in Ukraine is if you lose combat capability

There are many models of mobilization that allow people to keep their jobs and continue working while also being trained

Ukraine has shortened the training requirements and so did eu for Ukrainian

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1735760891DJlrwXKl0Vxjzg.webp

So this homo suggest that Ukraine that is short on men power and has hard time replacing loses will just for lol train some guy to send him back to his regular job ? :marseygold:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1735760891DmrvfRSFezVj6Q.webp

This homo banned me but you can see he is genius. He believes that Ukraine has 6-12 months training and will do it 2 times :marseyxd: Ukraine officially has 8 weeks training and in reality 2-3 and he talks about 100 weeks training :marseyxd:

Then he finish of with this

And blocks comments because he wants to believe Russian having as much problems as Russian

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1735760892dfm1wvQy3cGDNw.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1735760892g4xQeZryCwB7Ig.webp

I mean legendary frog brigade proved this point

https://media.tenor.com/t2mCLw0hao8AAAAx/kristine-froseth-laugh.webp

https://media.tenor.com/pPxnm115AAcAAAAx/shhh-shush.webp

So back to the front lines

Kurakhove has fully been captured so now Ukraine will lose whole lower half of Donetsk and fight will start in Dniper region

As one Redditor wrote in og post

Once prokovsk is taken there is only fields till Dnipro, so loosing the Donbas would lose Ukraine the war. Taking the Donbas is by far the hardest part. Just look at WW 2 mr super military genius

Donbas is the most defensible part of that whole region of Ukraine / Russia, as you said first the Germans had trouble going through it and then Soviets too when they were retaking land. The guy calling this advancement against 2014 super entrenched defensive lines insignificant just outed himself as knowing nothing about the war

Ukrainian mappers of course don't report it

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17357608927_JJ29B9RbqigQ.webp

Since admitting Kurakhove has fully Ben lost is admitting that black line territory will be soon lost and chances are for truth Sirsky is going to mobilise then as he did with deepstatemap :marseyxd:

Many people have high hopes with Trump that he will come and end it all.

And I have a good news, he won't :marseyparty:

2025 will be year of legal battle. They talking about peace deal but what peace deal if nether Russia nor Ukraine are fighting each others ? :marseyjanny2:

For a peace deal there must be a legal conflict and there just no conflict on paper. Russia wants that Ukraine side says that those 5 oblast are Russian territory. That something Ukraine side won't do since its defacto killing Ukraine, they of course don't have power to recapture it but they need cope that one day they will be able to do it. US offers no nato for Ukraine for 20 years. So every side wants to come out as victorious. But what West and Ukraine is offering Russia is just a draw and not fixing the reasons why Russia invaded. Why would Russia accept it after it survived all the giga western weapons. Aid for Ukraine is now around 500 billions that's inflation adjusted is 3 times more than lend lease to Soviet Union. And Biden created lend lease for Ukraine but never used it, you wonder why ? Because he was giving everything for free to Ukraine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_Democracy_Defense_Lend-Lease_Act_of_2022

Lend lease was such pathos moment

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1735760893EnEsrqYnjb2Exw.webp

So after all the epic pathos moment how Russia will be defeated by united west

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1735760893XacLPdkOsE0yaw.webp

The scary tanks and long range missiles, Ukrainian are on their back foot without any ability to regain balance, west is offering Russian a draw :marseyjanny2:

So you see it's ether Ukraine recognise that those 5 oblast are Russian or the grind will go on

https://media.tenor.com/c2V2e4bl2wAAAAAx/go-freddie-mercury.webp

As I mentioned before Zelenskyy is dead if he recognises those 5 oblast as Russian and he already against elections since now even republicans ask it and he still says no

So don't worry bros Slavshit won't end in 2025

https://media.tenor.com/L5kPaeelBkgAAAAx/leonardo-di-caprio-memes.webp

Have a good year, see you again around February, need to study, will have exams about how bad and evil Trump is. Had to listen like 2 hours about how Trump is facist but you can't call him facist :marseythumbsup:

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nothing is funnier than when you make these threads and say the other side is coping :xd:

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I am not the r-slur that thinks that in 2025 ukrainian are volunteering to defend the country, it you :marseyxd:

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yer the r-slur that thinks in 2025 russia is a military power to be feared and that they are going to win the war any day now :xd:

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No bro they are going to lose just wait until Ukraine gets those 100 leopards tanks and atacms

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1735765140bZPsaOn7FS0d-g.webp

Oh wait more than 100 leopards got destroyed already and Ukraine wasted over 500 atacms with results ukraine liberated 0 towns

So obviously at any moment Russian going to lose

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russia already lost. the fact that they've been able to take over ukraine after years of trying is a historic military loss. no matter how much you cope and seethe and spread propaganda, the facts won't change. :patting:

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Homo, after dropping so many copes you ain't the person that cant use the word facts.

Then you added the world historically military lost, you mean pumping 300 billions in spring counteroffensive that achieved absolutely zero and now all western politician need to walk back their words about defeating Russia ?

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yes. russia pumping billions in to a war to conquer a tiny neighbor and utterly failing is a historic military loss. now yer getting it!

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See you homo can't write a sentence without adding copes like "a tiny neighbour". You calling 2nd biggest European country tiny then you ad " and utterly failing " like it all ended and Russia didn't captured 65% of Ukrainian resources.

So I get that you are coping Redditor that can't write an objective sentence and need always to create a coping criteria when you are just an regular cretin

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compared to russia ukraine is a tiny neighbor. it's not cope. it's a factual statement of fact that's backed up by objective facts.

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BIPOC why do you care

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He was molested or something and Ukrainian kids either did it or made fun of him for it.

Regardless he deserved it

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Wow didn't know so many people upmarseyd him. The coping is strong in pro khohols camp.

You see on Reddit you have to support Ukraine if you say things against you get banned and it just kinda very r-slurred how west civilians like sheep's suddenly started supporting Ukraine directly after getting owned by Covid shit believing this time it will be different

@coned is an sheep he called me a Russian propaganda when I never linked any Russian sources. The way western media works it will post truth article but in such stealthy way so in case Ukraine loses they can go back to those article and say look we never lied. While to the front page they pushes only Ukrainian victory. So imagine how they fricked @coned brain that he calls me Russian propaganda because I link not front page articles and lives in 2022 articles about Ukraine winning. I bet they r-slur can create 1000 criteria why he ain't low IQ and call it facts

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The king of whataboutism, also why is your english so fricking bad arent you dutch or something?

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He can't grasp that we don't give a darn about Ukraine.

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Homo do you know the history of whataboutism ? It was created when western leaders didn't had arguments against criticism from Soviet Union the goal was to play on values and shame Soviet Union for going into direction west didn't liked and then you are going after my English trying to shame me on it. B-word I ain't low IQ as you for your cheap psychology to work on me

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Literally nobody has a dog in this conflict other than you r-slur, and of course im going to shame your english when you after years of sneeding about this conflict still use "russian" as a noun

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Of course nobody has a dog in this conflict after it became obviously their side is losing, it's calling trying to save the face. Yet it somehow got in you that you came out of your hole trying to shame me because I told something you didn't liked to hear.

Russia was second most important economical partner to Netherland and Netherland throw it out for the most corrupt country of 2021 (by western media) and tried to brainwash people that the shithole is going to beat Russia with united western help. Now they failed, hey let's forget about it.

And I will use what ever I want as a noun, we ain't in high school where I get scored or in some serious website.

So look from third perspective, you trying to shame me for my incorrect English on a clown website. Who is the real clown here ?

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oh wow, this is just rich. let me break this down for you, since your argument is as incoherent as russia's "special military operation."

first off, nobody "came out of their hole." you're the one defending a country that's losing to a nation you just called a "shithole." do you even hear yourself? you're trying to save face for russia, yet all you're doing is proving how pathetic their situation is. the whole world saw them invade ukraine thinking it would take a few days, and now they're floundering. that's not saving face, that's called humiliation on a global stage.

second, nice attempt at misdirection with this netherlands thing. it's another classic logical fallacy—irrelevant comparison. yes, russia used to trade with the netherlands, and now they don't. you think that justifies an invasion? is that your argument? because all it really shows is how desperate russia is to try to rebuild its sphere of influence. meanwhile, ukraine, the country you keep insulting, is showing the world what real resilience and unity look like. even with all its flaws, it's standing up to one of the so-called "great powers" and holding its own.

third, you keep calling ukraine corrupt like it somehow justifies russia's failures. corruption exists everywhere—especially in russia. maybe focus on the fact that your glorious military is so corrupt it can't even keep its soldiers supplied. how many tanks have they lost? how much territory have they given up? at this point, defending russia isn't just bad logic—it's embarrassing.

and then you go on about your english. yeah, it's bad. no one's asking for shakespeare, but if you can't even make a coherent point, maybe you should focus on fixing that before stepping into a debate. you don't get a free pass just because you think this is a "clown website." if it's such a joke, why are you so worked up?

so let's get real: russia is losing, you're defending that loss, and you're making excuses instead of arguments. calling this site a joke doesn't change the fact that you're out here shilling for a country that can't even handle its own invasion. who's the real clown here? spoiler: it's you.

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