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EFFORTPOST Exclusive: U.S. wants Ukraine to hold elections following a ceasefire, says Trump envoy :marseyjanny2:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-wants-ukraine-hold-elections-following-ceasefire-says-trump-envoy-2025-02-01/

Who could expected that the

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Would end up being a problem :surejan:

https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1ifd20g/exclusive_us_wants_ukraine_to_hold_elections/

The country who has the weirdest obsession with their own constitution in the world wants Ukraine to break its constitution and hold elections under martial law.

Makes sense, yeah.

Yeah makes sense Redditors ignoring khohols constitution where it clearly stated that election exception is for parliament not presidential. Zelenskyy could had fixed it by calling main court and asking them if his stay is legal, very easy but he didn't do it because he knows they going to take the power for him.

Redditors think US gov (including Bidens admin) would for lol hint at it :marseyxd:

Zelenskyy is the only true dictator in Europe.

Why is no one wondering if Trump committed election fraud? Doesn't that seem super logical?

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Russia wants the US to tell Ukraine to hold elections. Putin doesn't like Zelenskyy

As if there is a chance to get anyone else. Heck even if that happens, he's gonna be even worse for ruzzia. Pro-ruzzian political flank in Ukraine was annihilated.

Zaluzhnyy, Porochenko and now Budanov are more popular than Zelenskyy

And what's happen when you get more popular than Zelenskyy ?

2 cases was opened again Budanov :marseyxd:

And one again his right hand. You remember how before kicking out Zaluzhnyy, Zelenskyy got rid of all his close circle

Well, Trump is currently violating our Constitution left and right. He's never cared about the rule of law. He's a conman and a criminal.

Zelenskyy ignoring constitution it's Trump fault

A (temporary) ceasefire and permanent peace are 2 different situations.

The Ukrainian constitution requires the latter for martial law to be rescinded

Martial law in Ukraine is very temporary and Zelenskyy always extends it every 3 months so he technically illegally extended it 3 times after he lost presidential power and wtf permanent leave suppose to mean if Ukraine is not at state of war ?

Therein lies the rub. When will it be "permanent"? That requires more willingness and effort from Russia than they've shown to date.

If it holds, sure, I could see Ukraine being ready for elections again, but that requires a peace that leads to normalization first.

And if the Ukrainian people think Zelensky is holding on too long, I'll trust they'll let him know, just as they did vs Yanukovych in 2014.

Normalization probably won't come, at least not under Putin who's shown absolutely no willingness to compromise. In case of a lasting ceasefire like Korea, Ukraine should hold elections even without normalization of ties with Russia.

Remember, the two Koreas still don't have diplomatic relations and South Korea has consistently ranked highly in the democracy index. >> Not having diplomatic relations with your neighbors or having parts of your territory occupied doesn't excuse you from holding elections. I understand the argument that holding elections during an active conflict is a bad idea, but if there's a lasting ceasefire, elections should be held even without cooperation from Russia because that's not going to come anyway.

Zelenskyy has now sub 50% popularity in Ukraine since his high of over 90%

The man was freely elected (and that angered Putin)

Putin can help get this about by signing a peace agreement.

Redditors legit believe people they don't like, like Trump and Putin ain't freely elected :marseyxd:

Seriously why wouldn't Russian elect Putin if west did everything he was warning Russian about the west ? Giving Ukraine German tanks was supposed to make Russian love west ?

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https://old.reddit.com/r/tanks/comments/181ujim/have_leopard_tanks_performed_poorly_in_ukraine/

Yeah, some people kinda expected them to perform as near-godly indestructible death machines, slaying waves and waves of Russian tanks.

>some Redditors but not me :!marseyseethe:

The "current team" didn't start or provoke a war to get into this situation. That's all 100% on Putin.

"Unprovoked"

I love this Redditors oxymoron any conflict is provoked.

Khohols walking in Kiev screaming who don't jump is moscal, in 2013 telling they will kill all the Russian in Crimea now it's unprovoked.

Or recently Zelenskyy told he don't respect Russian so he don't respect 40% of his country. He also been telling how he is going to defeat Russia and basically won

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Absolutely not provoked just as him being legal president :!marseyxd:

"Most democracies hold elections during times of war. I think that's very important. I think that's good for democracy. That's the beauty of a strong democracy, that you have more than one person who can potentially run."

Translated from Ukranian, but close to what he said.

Oh yeah when Zelenskyy was popular and wasn't afraid of Zaluzhnyy he didn't mind election

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Nvidea going down and down

Biden also wanted them to hold elections.

>Washington raised the issue of elections with senior officials in Zelenskiy's office in 2023 and 2024 during the Biden administration, two former senior U.S. officials said. State Department and White House officials told their Ukrainian counterparts that elections were critical to uphold international and democratic norms, the officials said. Officials in Kyiv have pushed back on elections in conversations with Washington in recent months, telling Biden officials that hosting polls at such a volatile moment in Ukraine's history would divide Ukrainian leaders and potentially invite Russian influence campaigns, the two former U.S. officials said.

Bipartisan stupidity, hooray!

When even democrats don't agree with you everyone is stupid except you Redditor

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Not war, but the martial law. Technically it can be cancelled at any time to hold elections, regardless of ongoing conflicts.

It's actually brutal how many people don't understand war is an legal status

The fact that Europe doesn't have the balls to interviene and use it's military to change the odds and the game is a shame towards european spirit (whatever the frick that means these days) and a disgrace towards our european ukrainian brothers. It is a true spit in Europe's eyes and apparently we don't have a problem with that, nor any responsability. Disgraceful and spineless for europe!

Why he doesn't hold bakhmut if he feels so bad khohols ? It's like homo tries to shame other European while his butt is save when khohols getting into another pocket

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Getting a wipe in Novosilka seems it wasn't enough but that Redditor could had stopped it !

Actions like this by Russia's puppet make me reconsider if the 2024 election was manipulated.

Why does a Russian stooge think sure a new election would overthrow Ukraine's democratic leader?

Thing is Putin was honest about him wanting Harris to win because Trump makes thing complicated, guy for real want peace deal, the only guy in this trio that wants peace. Putin position was looking good and saying he want peace while beating khohols while Zelenskyy screaming for new game changer.

With Harris it would been easy since she would scream about good faith peace and that Putin is not honest so khohols should continue fighting

USA will help us to the end the war, but with nuance - they will throw us under the bus and call it a "victory". (and this is not even sarcasm)

The US has never delayed an election not even during the civil war.

:!marseyjanny2:

Battlefield wise most updates are field movements and some not popular villages capturing

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Ukraine fully evacuating myrnohrad and its strange they do it after Pokrovsk since Pokrovsk is less encircled that myrnohrad

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Fall of chasiv yard probably will be soon. It's just hard to pinpoint chasiv yard borders.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1738452631kShsmmHC7o1tgA.webp

Bridgehead in Kharkiv now is solid and Ukraine will lose huge chunk in Kharkiv like I previously posted

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1738452632NNl3lLhcOAyjvw.webp

Bridgehead in lyman direction got also larger something Ukrainians weren't prepared since zarichne was the stoping point and it isn't protected from north attacks

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Thing is Putin was honest about him wanting Harris to win because Trump makes thing complicated, guy for real want peace deal, the only guy in this trio that wants peace.

It's it that you think we are r-slurred enough to believe this or are you so r-slurred you expect everyone else to be as equivalently r-slurred?

In any case I'm sure Ukraine will accept the unconditional surrender of Russia at any time they would like to give it. Ukraine is gonna be getting all the gibs, become part of the EU and become part of NATO however the war ends. Russia is a poor pariah state who is now effectively a client state of China, everyone in the world now knows how fricking awful your armed forces are.

You could have milked the pretense for another couple of decades.

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Russia recovered from sanctions and has the ability to finish off Ukraine. Ukraine has no man to keep fighting like this. Biden wasn't going to send nato troops to fight in Ukraine or let Ukraine into nato since that was main reason Putin attacked. So why would Putin now stop at back broken khohol and let it join nato ? The game changers failed.

About EU just check /r/Europe how Redditors dreaming of Ukraine joining EU by saying oh Ukraine not ready it should wait at least until 2040.

Reality Biden administration probably also would had tried to get a peace deal but it would been easier for Putin to reject them than Trump

And good point saying how 500+ billion aid from west (a sum 3+ times more than Soviet lend lease inflation adjusted) did nothing to save khohols. NATO 1000+ tanks couldn't liberate 1 town. 1000+ storm shadows, 1000+ atacms, 1000+ Patriot missiles and 500 every year out of factories straight to Ukraine it all couldn't liberate 1 stupid town in Ukraine. That's the might of united west

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Isolating Russia

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Russia recovered from sanctions

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Should I wait another 2 months ?

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Kinda like we are waiting for 2 more days? How come it's been 11 years and you guys still can't beat a corrupt tiny shit hole? It's it because you are also a corrupt shit hole?

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I am not Russian tho and how come khohols are admitting stealing money from US and you still sending them despite it's now clear to the most r-slurs they ain't going to win ?

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That's the might of united west

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Neighbor if you think russia would stand a chance against an actual war vs the united west your brain is fried. They couldnt even conquer the fricking ukraine lmao.

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Neighbor if you think russia would stand a chance against an actual war vs the united west your brain is fried.

Don't get me wrong, US can't keep barrels production for its m777 (had only 1000 and gave 600 to Ukraine) can't keep artillery production with NK. Build only 500 AD missiles a year that go straight to Ukraine and are wasted again 2 Russian strikes.

EU gave Ukraine all its land tech and missiles.

And ukraine now has no hope winning.

I am sure if US would want they start out producing north Korea and stop being 80% fat so you are free to believe in it.

They couldnt even conquer the fricking ukraine lmao.

Good that you point that after telling that united west will bring strategical defeat they are kneeling to Russia asking to stop the war

You are example why khohols are in butt now. They also believed west can defeat Russia. West so richer than Russia has better weapons than Russia. Wait until Ukraine gets abrams, m777, f16, nato training

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Before I wait for anything else Im gonna wait for russia to finally actually win this war for real this time (no lie (certified))

:mar#seywait:

Face it, russia is a rock bottom piece of shit country that was living on past glory. And after this war is over, even if they actually somehow win, its gonna be even worse than before.

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russia is a rock bottom piece of shit country that was living on past glory

And west forgot its tactics don't work against countries like this. There was billions article from western sociologists telling how Russian will soon kick Putin out realise they lost and other bullshit made from prism of western society. They also somehow thought when Russian will see a German tank they will get afraid and runaway.

its gonna be even worse than before

Economically it won't since west europe needs Russia more than Russia needs them, being in primary oligopoly economical sector gives huge advantages. Putin was holding back all those years. He opened gas pipeline to China after he started the fight in Ukraine to neutralise western sanctions. He could had done it a lot earlier and Russia would been richer but seems like he was legit preparing to seriously fight Ukraine.

Sanctions wise he flawlessly won.

It's just nobody expected Ukraine to first resist like this and then decide to fight for Crimea. Putin og goal was regime change and officially get Crimea. Ukraine now will lose more because of their double stubbornness

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hope they force breed the Russkies with Han to make a less savage people

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Also brother you 2 months ago told me something about sanctions and interest rate. I told you it's homosexual and you started yapping something and I asked you will Russian economy be destroyed in 2 months you run away just like you will do now

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You asked for a date because you don't understand how prescription works. Some shit is too r-slurred to engage with.

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Well after 10 years, pills don't work so it could be dangerous to take them. That's why I asked the date, I was wondering how long an r-slur like you would still hold on it instead of throwing them away.

You brain to smol?

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become part of the EU

Please no

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