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EFFORTPOST Exclusive: U.S. wants Ukraine to hold elections following a ceasefire, says Trump envoy :marseyjanny2:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-wants-ukraine-hold-elections-following-ceasefire-says-trump-envoy-2025-02-01/

Who could expected that the

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Would end up being a problem :surejan:

https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1ifd20g/exclusive_us_wants_ukraine_to_hold_elections/

The country who has the weirdest obsession with their own constitution in the world wants Ukraine to break its constitution and hold elections under martial law.

Makes sense, yeah.

Yeah makes sense Redditors ignoring khohols constitution where it clearly stated that election exception is for parliament not presidential. Zelenskyy could had fixed it by calling main court and asking them if his stay is legal, very easy but he didn't do it because he knows they going to take the power for him.

Redditors think US gov (including Bidens admin) would for lol hint at it :marseyxd:

Zelenskyy is the only true dictator in Europe.

Why is no one wondering if Trump committed election fraud? Doesn't that seem super logical?

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Russia wants the US to tell Ukraine to hold elections. Putin doesn't like Zelenskyy

As if there is a chance to get anyone else. Heck even if that happens, he's gonna be even worse for ruzzia. Pro-ruzzian political flank in Ukraine was annihilated.

Zaluzhnyy, Porochenko and now Budanov are more popular than Zelenskyy

And what's happen when you get more popular than Zelenskyy ?

2 cases was opened again Budanov :marseyxd:

And one again his right hand. You remember how before kicking out Zaluzhnyy, Zelenskyy got rid of all his close circle

Well, Trump is currently violating our Constitution left and right. He's never cared about the rule of law. He's a conman and a criminal.

Zelenskyy ignoring constitution it's Trump fault

A (temporary) ceasefire and permanent peace are 2 different situations.

The Ukrainian constitution requires the latter for martial law to be rescinded

Martial law in Ukraine is very temporary and Zelenskyy always extends it every 3 months so he technically illegally extended it 3 times after he lost presidential power and wtf permanent leave suppose to mean if Ukraine is not at state of war ?

Therein lies the rub. When will it be "permanent"? That requires more willingness and effort from Russia than they've shown to date.

If it holds, sure, I could see Ukraine being ready for elections again, but that requires a peace that leads to normalization first.

And if the Ukrainian people think Zelensky is holding on too long, I'll trust they'll let him know, just as they did vs Yanukovych in 2014.

Normalization probably won't come, at least not under Putin who's shown absolutely no willingness to compromise. In case of a lasting ceasefire like Korea, Ukraine should hold elections even without normalization of ties with Russia.

Remember, the two Koreas still don't have diplomatic relations and South Korea has consistently ranked highly in the democracy index. >> Not having diplomatic relations with your neighbors or having parts of your territory occupied doesn't excuse you from holding elections. I understand the argument that holding elections during an active conflict is a bad idea, but if there's a lasting ceasefire, elections should be held even without cooperation from Russia because that's not going to come anyway.

Zelenskyy has now sub 50% popularity in Ukraine since his high of over 90%

The man was freely elected (and that angered Putin)

Putin can help get this about by signing a peace agreement.

Redditors legit believe people they don't like, like Trump and Putin ain't freely elected :marseyxd:

Seriously why wouldn't Russian elect Putin if west did everything he was warning Russian about the west ? Giving Ukraine German tanks was supposed to make Russian love west ?

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https://old.reddit.com/r/tanks/comments/181ujim/have_leopard_tanks_performed_poorly_in_ukraine/

Yeah, some people kinda expected them to perform as near-godly indestructible death machines, slaying waves and waves of Russian tanks.

>some Redditors but not me :!marseyseethe:

The "current team" didn't start or provoke a war to get into this situation. That's all 100% on Putin.

"Unprovoked"

I love this Redditors oxymoron any conflict is provoked.

Khohols walking in Kiev screaming who don't jump is moscal, in 2013 telling they will kill all the Russian in Crimea now it's unprovoked.

Or recently Zelenskyy told he don't respect Russian so he don't respect 40% of his country. He also been telling how he is going to defeat Russia and basically won

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Absolutely not provoked just as him being legal president :!marseyxd:

"Most democracies hold elections during times of war. I think that's very important. I think that's good for democracy. That's the beauty of a strong democracy, that you have more than one person who can potentially run."

Translated from Ukranian, but close to what he said.

Oh yeah when Zelenskyy was popular and wasn't afraid of Zaluzhnyy he didn't mind election

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Nvidea going down and down

Biden also wanted them to hold elections.

>Washington raised the issue of elections with senior officials in Zelenskiy's office in 2023 and 2024 during the Biden administration, two former senior U.S. officials said. State Department and White House officials told their Ukrainian counterparts that elections were critical to uphold international and democratic norms, the officials said. Officials in Kyiv have pushed back on elections in conversations with Washington in recent months, telling Biden officials that hosting polls at such a volatile moment in Ukraine's history would divide Ukrainian leaders and potentially invite Russian influence campaigns, the two former U.S. officials said.

Bipartisan stupidity, hooray!

When even democrats don't agree with you everyone is stupid except you Redditor

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Not war, but the martial law. Technically it can be cancelled at any time to hold elections, regardless of ongoing conflicts.

It's actually brutal how many people don't understand war is an legal status

The fact that Europe doesn't have the balls to interviene and use it's military to change the odds and the game is a shame towards european spirit (whatever the frick that means these days) and a disgrace towards our european ukrainian brothers. It is a true spit in Europe's eyes and apparently we don't have a problem with that, nor any responsability. Disgraceful and spineless for europe!

Why he doesn't hold bakhmut if he feels so bad khohols ? It's like homo tries to shame other European while his butt is save when khohols getting into another pocket

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Getting a wipe in Novosilka seems it wasn't enough but that Redditor could had stopped it !

Actions like this by Russia's puppet make me reconsider if the 2024 election was manipulated.

Why does a Russian stooge think sure a new election would overthrow Ukraine's democratic leader?

Thing is Putin was honest about him wanting Harris to win because Trump makes thing complicated, guy for real want peace deal, the only guy in this trio that wants peace. Putin position was looking good and saying he want peace while beating khohols while Zelenskyy screaming for new game changer.

With Harris it would been easy since she would scream about good faith peace and that Putin is not honest so khohols should continue fighting

USA will help us to the end the war, but with nuance - they will throw us under the bus and call it a "victory". (and this is not even sarcasm)

The US has never delayed an election not even during the civil war.

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Battlefield wise most updates are field movements and some not popular villages capturing

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Ukraine fully evacuating myrnohrad and its strange they do it after Pokrovsk since Pokrovsk is less encircled that myrnohrad

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Fall of chasiv yard probably will be soon. It's just hard to pinpoint chasiv yard borders.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1738452631kShsmmHC7o1tgA.webp

Bridgehead in Kharkiv now is solid and Ukraine will lose huge chunk in Kharkiv like I previously posted

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Bridgehead in lyman direction got also larger something Ukrainians weren't prepared since zarichne was the stoping point and it isn't protected from north attacks

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Ah yes, another galaxy-brained take from someone who just learned what a constitution is and now suddenly thinks they're a legal scholar. Zelenskyy not holding elections during a full-scale war where half the country is displaced? Clearly, dictatorship. Meanwhile, Putin's elections are the political equivalent of a hostage video, but yeah, tell me more about democracy.

The US hinting at elections? Yeah, because they obviously care so much about Ukraine's constitutional purity and not, you know, maintaining political optics. But sure, let's pretend Russia's sudden enthusiasm for Ukrainian democracy isn't the most hilariously transparent bullshit of the decade.

And the best part—this whole "unprovoked war is a myth" routine. The mental gymnastics required to believe Russia had to invade because some Ukrainians were mean in 2013 is insane. Putin's been crying about Ukraine existing as a sovereign state for years, but nah, let's pretend this was all some spontaneous defensive maneuver.

Then there's the battlefield cope. Russia clawing its way through empty villages at the cost of thousands of bodies, grinding out five meters a day, and somehow this is a sign of dominance. Every inch they take, their own population gets poorer, their military gets weaker, and their country gets more isolated, but yeah, let's all pop champagne over a new bridgehead in Bumfrick Oblast.

Absolute comedy. Keep celebrating minor territorial gains like they mean anything while your country implodes from the inside.

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Next week we'll see that super ultra mega offensive Kiev's been promising since 2022, right?

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Very smart but why did he was open for idea to hold election ?

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Look at date, it was before he found out Zaluzhnyy was more popular than him

https://rdrama.net/h/slavshit/post/230095/poll-ukrainians-trust-in-zelensky-declines

Oh look I predicted Zaluzhnyy being fired before he was fired

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I even was telling when they relationship got destroyed before it was mainstream

So rookie don't frick with me

Especially when you showing your homosexuality at first sentence like

during a full-scale war

There is no war in Ukraine war is legal status and without war he can't cancel president election

You think Putin is as r-slurred as you and will sign documents with a person that has no formal power in Ukraine ? Zelenskyy signature means nothing, it's trash just like you. Next president of Ukraine can easily back out of that agreement saying it was signed by nobody just like you so they don't have to follow any of shit he signed

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There is no war in Ukraine

What is this slimy horseshit, for all the Taqiyya and Pilpul people accuse Muslims :marseytaliban: and Jews :marseymerchant: what you said right there is frickin peak.

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lmao bro you act like you cracked the da vinci code for noticing zelenskyy and zaluzhnyy weren't besties. yeah no shit, when a general gets more popular than the president during a war, that's kinda a problem. that's not "prediction" that's just looking at reality and drooling on yourself. wow amazing insight, truly next level genius. maybe next you can predict the sun will rise tomorrow??

and LOL at "war is a legal status" bro imagine watching cities get bombed, people getting drafted, trenches being dug, and being like "ackshually, there is no war." that's next level brain rot. like yeah, go tell the families of dead soldiers that it's all a legal technicality and see how that goes.

also ur entire cope about zelenskyy's signature being worthless is hilarious. like yeah bro that's why russia is BEGGING for some kind of agreement, right? putin totally doesn't care about legitimacy yet here u are seething about it. make it make sense. or don't, i know thinking is hard.

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and LOL at "war is a legal status" bro imagine watching cities get bombed, people getting drafted, trenches being dug, and being like "ackshually, there is no war." that's next level brain rot. like yeah, go tell the families of dead soldiers that it's all a legal technicality and see how that goes.

Dude since when leaders have a frick about families of dead people ? The whole Ukrainian elite moved their family weeks before it all started. I watched many interviews of Ukrainian elite and it's always hilarious. Some minister is asked if his 33 year old son will join the tranches he says "oh my son actually didn't grow up in Ukraine he finished college in US" his son is Zelenskyy financial advisor :marseyxd: so his son is not enough Ukrainian to die for Ukraine but enough Ukrainian to control Ukrainian money :marseythumbsup:

But you son, should learn difference between positive statements and normative statements that's like the first thing they teach in Dutch universities.

russia is BEGGING for some kind of agreement, right?

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Dude Russia is not begging their gameplay is to look good in eyes of global south. While western world was saying how they will do strategic defeat to Russia. Russia was saying that they just want peace. At this point Russia don't need peace and it will do everything to postpone it and Zelenskyy not being legal in formal sense is a thing that Russia can and will use. I wrote about it in May 2025 and how it will create problems in the future.

But you somehow don't ask why Zelenskyy doesn't legitimate him self ? He had shit tons of time to do it. He could had done it in 2023 by asking main rechtbank and ask the jury to decide if that article also covers presidential election since it's not clear. Or he could had asked parliament to elect him until end of martial law. Such easy thing to do and it would had shut up Putins claim.

It's also not only Putin who is bitching about it. Both party in US asked Zelenskyy to do something about it.

Zelenskyy is so busy that he seen this year macron already 4 times

So genius give an answer why Zelenskyy didn't legitimate himself ?

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Lmao bro you're out here writing entire essays and still missing the point. First off, your whole "leaders don't care about dead people" rant is peak whataboutism. Yeah, no shit politicians are hypocrites, welcome to planet Earth. That doesn't change the fact that "war is a legal status" is still the dumbest take imaginable. You think Russia waited for some formal legal declaration before rolling tanks into Ukraine? Like "oh hold on guys, we gotta get this notarized before we invade." Come on.

And now you're acting like Russia is just some innocent little dove that just wants peace while also saying they "don't need peace" and will "postpone it." Which is it, genius? Russia's playing the PR game? No shit, that's what every country does. Except funny how nobody outside the usual bootlickers is buying their "good guy" act. Maybe because "we only invaded a sovereign country and are killing thousands but we pinky swear we just want peace" isn't the airtight excuse you think it is.

As for your whole cope about Zelenskyy not "legitimizing" himself—again, if it's so easy, why do none of Ukraine's allies actually care? The US is still sending weapons, Europe still supports him, and the Ukrainian military still takes orders from him. If his presidency was such an obvious fraud, why isn't anyone treating him like one? Oh right, because outside of your telegram chatrooms, nobody cares.

But go off, keep pretending your May 2025 prophecy (lmao) means anything. Maybe next time try predicting something that actually happens.

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your whole "leaders don't care about dead people" rant

I am not here the one who started crying about what regular citizens thinking.

why do none of Ukraine's allies actually care? The US is still sending weapons

Dude you missed that U.S. stopped all aid to Ukraine and now Trump office saying Zelenskyy should do election before peace deal ? Did you smoked all your brains ?

But go off, keep pretending your May 2025 prophecy (lmao) means anything.

Keep coping and get owned by me

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Lmao bro you're really out here thinking you got a "gotcha" when you're just speedrunning delusion. First off, nobody was crying about what regular citizens think—you just tried (and failed) to dodge the fact that your "war is just a legal status" take is r-worded. People are dying, cities are getting bombed, but yeah, let's all pretend none of that matters because a piece of paper didn't say "war" on it in big bold letters.

And my guy, are you seriously pretending the US permanently cut off aid? They delayed it, yeah, because of Republican infighting, but guess what? It's getting approved. Every time some dumbass like you crows about the "end of Ukraine aid," a few weeks later the money starts flowing again. Wash, rinse, repeat.

As for your galaxy brain take on Trump's "plan"—Trump says a different thing every five minutes depending on who's in the room. One day he's saying Ukraine should give up land, next day he's saying they should hold elections first, next day he's "ending the war in 24 hours." You're really out here acting like there's some master strategy instead of just him spitballing whatever sounds good to the people he's talking to.

And lmao at you acting like you're "owning" anything when your big brain prophecy was "Russia will use any excuse they can to avoid peace." Wow, Nostradamus over here. Next you gonna predict water is wet?

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Trump says a different thing every five minutes depending on who's in the room.

I didn't wrote that Trump told he is going to cut aid to Ukraine. I actually can't remember when told he was going to cut aid for Ukraine.

I wrote he cut the aid.

https://www.usaid.gov/

Look he even nuked the website.

You know you started trying to tell me Ukraine is winning like 2 months ago, since then Germany and US had frozen aid to Ukraine, Ukraine lost multiple cities and got total wipe in battle for Novosilka and about to get another wipe in Dachne. We also found out during that time Ukraine didn't had KDA of 10+. And is sending its specialist to the front lines

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Yet you were telling everything is good with Ukrainian mobilisation and Russian have it as bad as Ukraine.

So how long must I wait until your prediction becomes reality ?

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not reading your substack

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All them words won't bring your pa back.

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You're kinda worked up about this r-slur lately. I wonder if he is actually able to write full sentences in Dutch. You should test him on that :marseypopcorntime:

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