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EFFORTPOST Exclusive: U.S. wants Ukraine to hold elections following a ceasefire, says Trump envoy :marseyjanny2:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-wants-ukraine-hold-elections-following-ceasefire-says-trump-envoy-2025-02-01/

Who could expected that the

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Would end up being a problem :surejan:

https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1ifd20g/exclusive_us_wants_ukraine_to_hold_elections/

The country who has the weirdest obsession with their own constitution in the world wants Ukraine to break its constitution and hold elections under martial law.

Makes sense, yeah.

Yeah makes sense Redditors ignoring khohols constitution where it clearly stated that election exception is for parliament not presidential. Zelenskyy could had fixed it by calling main court and asking them if his stay is legal, very easy but he didn't do it because he knows they going to take the power for him.

Redditors think US gov (including Bidens admin) would for lol hint at it :marseyxd:

Zelenskyy is the only true dictator in Europe.

Why is no one wondering if Trump committed election fraud? Doesn't that seem super logical?

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Russia wants the US to tell Ukraine to hold elections. Putin doesn't like Zelenskyy

As if there is a chance to get anyone else. Heck even if that happens, he's gonna be even worse for ruzzia. Pro-ruzzian political flank in Ukraine was annihilated.

Zaluzhnyy, Porochenko and now Budanov are more popular than Zelenskyy

And what's happen when you get more popular than Zelenskyy ?

2 cases was opened again Budanov :marseyxd:

And one again his right hand. You remember how before kicking out Zaluzhnyy, Zelenskyy got rid of all his close circle

Well, Trump is currently violating our Constitution left and right. He's never cared about the rule of law. He's a conman and a criminal.

Zelenskyy ignoring constitution it's Trump fault

A (temporary) ceasefire and permanent peace are 2 different situations.

The Ukrainian constitution requires the latter for martial law to be rescinded

Martial law in Ukraine is very temporary and Zelenskyy always extends it every 3 months so he technically illegally extended it 3 times after he lost presidential power and wtf permanent leave suppose to mean if Ukraine is not at state of war ?

Therein lies the rub. When will it be "permanent"? That requires more willingness and effort from Russia than they've shown to date.

If it holds, sure, I could see Ukraine being ready for elections again, but that requires a peace that leads to normalization first.

And if the Ukrainian people think Zelensky is holding on too long, I'll trust they'll let him know, just as they did vs Yanukovych in 2014.

Normalization probably won't come, at least not under Putin who's shown absolutely no willingness to compromise. In case of a lasting ceasefire like Korea, Ukraine should hold elections even without normalization of ties with Russia.

Remember, the two Koreas still don't have diplomatic relations and South Korea has consistently ranked highly in the democracy index. >> Not having diplomatic relations with your neighbors or having parts of your territory occupied doesn't excuse you from holding elections. I understand the argument that holding elections during an active conflict is a bad idea, but if there's a lasting ceasefire, elections should be held even without cooperation from Russia because that's not going to come anyway.

Zelenskyy has now sub 50% popularity in Ukraine since his high of over 90%

The man was freely elected (and that angered Putin)

Putin can help get this about by signing a peace agreement.

Redditors legit believe people they don't like, like Trump and Putin ain't freely elected :marseyxd:

Seriously why wouldn't Russian elect Putin if west did everything he was warning Russian about the west ? Giving Ukraine German tanks was supposed to make Russian love west ?

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/1738452627aGff_WU9XXw2KQ.webp

https://old.reddit.com/r/tanks/comments/181ujim/have_leopard_tanks_performed_poorly_in_ukraine/

Yeah, some people kinda expected them to perform as near-godly indestructible death machines, slaying waves and waves of Russian tanks.

>some Redditors but not me :!marseyseethe:

The "current team" didn't start or provoke a war to get into this situation. That's all 100% on Putin.

"Unprovoked"

I love this Redditors oxymoron any conflict is provoked.

Khohols walking in Kiev screaming who don't jump is moscal, in 2013 telling they will kill all the Russian in Crimea now it's unprovoked.

Or recently Zelenskyy told he don't respect Russian so he don't respect 40% of his country. He also been telling how he is going to defeat Russia and basically won

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Absolutely not provoked just as him being legal president :!marseyxd:

"Most democracies hold elections during times of war. I think that's very important. I think that's good for democracy. That's the beauty of a strong democracy, that you have more than one person who can potentially run."

Translated from Ukranian, but close to what he said.

Oh yeah when Zelenskyy was popular and wasn't afraid of Zaluzhnyy he didn't mind election

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Nvidea going down and down

Biden also wanted them to hold elections.

>Washington raised the issue of elections with senior officials in Zelenskiy's office in 2023 and 2024 during the Biden administration, two former senior U.S. officials said. State Department and White House officials told their Ukrainian counterparts that elections were critical to uphold international and democratic norms, the officials said. Officials in Kyiv have pushed back on elections in conversations with Washington in recent months, telling Biden officials that hosting polls at such a volatile moment in Ukraine's history would divide Ukrainian leaders and potentially invite Russian influence campaigns, the two former U.S. officials said.

Bipartisan stupidity, hooray!

When even democrats don't agree with you everyone is stupid except you Redditor

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Not war, but the martial law. Technically it can be cancelled at any time to hold elections, regardless of ongoing conflicts.

It's actually brutal how many people don't understand war is an legal status

The fact that Europe doesn't have the balls to interviene and use it's military to change the odds and the game is a shame towards european spirit (whatever the frick that means these days) and a disgrace towards our european ukrainian brothers. It is a true spit in Europe's eyes and apparently we don't have a problem with that, nor any responsability. Disgraceful and spineless for europe!

Why he doesn't hold bakhmut if he feels so bad khohols ? It's like homo tries to shame other European while his butt is save when khohols getting into another pocket

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Getting a wipe in Novosilka seems it wasn't enough but that Redditor could had stopped it !

Actions like this by Russia's puppet make me reconsider if the 2024 election was manipulated.

Why does a Russian stooge think sure a new election would overthrow Ukraine's democratic leader?

Thing is Putin was honest about him wanting Harris to win because Trump makes thing complicated, guy for real want peace deal, the only guy in this trio that wants peace. Putin position was looking good and saying he want peace while beating khohols while Zelenskyy screaming for new game changer.

With Harris it would been easy since she would scream about good faith peace and that Putin is not honest so khohols should continue fighting

USA will help us to the end the war, but with nuance - they will throw us under the bus and call it a "victory". (and this is not even sarcasm)

The US has never delayed an election not even during the civil war.

:!marseyjanny2:

Battlefield wise most updates are field movements and some not popular villages capturing

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1738452630hfDibzDE6D0Mrw.webp

Ukraine fully evacuating myrnohrad and its strange they do it after Pokrovsk since Pokrovsk is less encircled that myrnohrad

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Fall of chasiv yard probably will be soon. It's just hard to pinpoint chasiv yard borders.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1738452631kShsmmHC7o1tgA.webp

Bridgehead in Kharkiv now is solid and Ukraine will lose huge chunk in Kharkiv like I previously posted

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Bridgehead in lyman direction got also larger something Ukrainians weren't prepared since zarichne was the stoping point and it isn't protected from north attacks

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I don't see what the point is. Is there any doubt that Zelensky would lose if an election was held?

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He doesn't want to lose the power, he even recently admitted main reason he rejected peace deal in 2022 was because they would had replaced him and at this point he destroyed so many lives and made so many enemies that if he don't hold the power someone could kill him

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Zelensky destroyed all those lives? Are you sure it wasn't the Russians invading his country?

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Zelenskyy was one of the most corrupted world leader in 2021 and his support was like 14%. This war is best thing that happens in his life he suddenly got 90%+ support when Ukrainian were riding patriotic wave. He basically did nothing to stop Russian attack and now he brought Ukraine into such situation that there is no reason for Putin to stop. Being victim doesn't free you from all accountability, Ukraine today is more corrupt than in 2022

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People loved Zaluzhnyy he kicked him out.

That's why his rating going down. Since 2022 Russian army improved it learned the lessons it fighting better but Ukrainian army is worsen and that's fully his responsibility.

Zelenskyy was never a good person, he even jailed the person that helped him become the president and stolen his tv channel. That's why Redditor simping for him and calling him Churchill is funny

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Most corrupt world leader

lmao okay he's no saint but lol lmao

Did you get molested by a Ukrainian?

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Dude I wrote most corrupt world leader of 2021 because that year there was Panama papers and he was on that list was he, and many other Ukrainian politician including Porochenko but Zelenskyy was leader of Ukraine back then not Porochenko

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Dude even during war didn't changed

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It was known fact that Reznikov is openly stealing military stuff since early days but it took over 1 year to fire him with shit tons off begging from US all because he was Zelenskyy man in corruption scheme before the war and probably during the war.

Like for real why west supports 90% of khohols media if Zelenskyy got all the media under his control and they all basically showing the same shit ?

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Bro the panama papers were 2016 or 2017, not 2021

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Yeah but attack on Zelenskyy started in 2021

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Panama papers and pandora papers are two different leaks

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Yeah but why do you care? Like idgaf about Indonesia-Papua New Gunea relations. Caring this much is weird, unless you're a diplomat or from the area.

Don't you live in Brazil?

Are you just interested in Slavs for zoological reasons or something?

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Interested in slav zoological reasons and how gov manipulate citizens.

This conflict happened just after Covid. During Covid government lied shit tons, in EU the president bought 9 vaxx per citizens by her husband company by 2022 80% of t was expired and thrown own so basically corruption. So I expected people would trust politician less but nope she comes and says that Ukraine is super democratic and EU will with sanction and support to Ukraine do strategical defeat to Russia. She then dropped multiple bs like Russian stealing chips from dishwashers to build missiles. That sanctions will destroy Russian economy by summer then fall then winter. Hyped price cap. It makes it all more r-slurred that during that time I had macro economics classes so in March we had an European Central Bank representative tilling us how sanctions soon going to destroy Russian economy and there won't be inflation in EU. 7 months later in micro economics class we had task to write paper how to fix inflation. And as kids that studied economics we kinda know that sanctions have a direct effect and not long standing and with price cap we kinda should know that you can't force price cap on seller especially on primary sector. So it's brutal how they are all lying like this and are less accountable than foids.

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You can type 10,000 characters and you decided that these were the one's that you wanted.

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@WeihnachtenSalvador literally once wrote that he was bullied as a child by an Ukrainian and now all he does is sneeding at them incredibly impotently at every opportunity :marseyxd:

Edit: Apperently not :marseymandela:

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I never wrote it. You have some kinda of mandela effect ?

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Then all you do is even more pathetic :marseyxd:

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You creating fanfics about me.

And then unaccountable walking away from it, this is the problem of modern world

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Seems like he's been doing a lot to stop the Russian attack. Otherwise Ukraine would've been conquered by now. Heck it might've even been conquered day one.

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Dude it's not 2022

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He done now everything to ensure Russia will win

Hold bakhmut was his command.

Spring counter offensive was his command.

Krinky, Avdiivka, Novosilka (this one is special case and I reported whole story live chronological how he let 2000 soldiers get encircled and wiped out)

Kursk operation also his idea.

He didn't win 1 single battle

Russian failed blitz and asked to just give them Crimea. He listened to Boris Johnson a guy that was also clinging in power when he had bottom ratings.

So he told no to Russia and begged them to start a real war of attrition against Ukraine that he is now successfully losing

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1738484801xzKglTrlHAwiSw.webp

And he is about to finish off 18 years old to save his butt :marseyxd:

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If all of that stuff was his idea then what's the point of having generals? Zelensky was never a soldier or a commander so I figured he'd leave it up to the military leaders to make a lot of those decisions

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War in Ukraine is special because it's very media covered and Ukraine is dependent on western gibs. And since Zelenskyy somehow managed convince west that he is going to push Russian out of whole Ukraine including Crimea so he constantly needed some victories to keep convincing the west that he is winning. Now after 2 years Ukraine didn't had any victories, a Trump showed up and says he is closing the bank.

Ukrainian generals most have Soviet mentality when do fully listening to its country leader and trying not to anger the leader by disagreeing with him. Zaluzhnyy was unique in the way that there was public disagreements between him and Zelenskyy.

Putin on other side is not very engaged in this conflict, he barely ever mentioned the battlefield he let Gerasimov and co, do it.

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And since Zelenskyy somehow managed convince west that he is going to push Russian out of whole Ukraine

Zelenskyy making an argument, the west believing that argument, and the west giving Zelenskyy what he requested are entirely independent things.

It's pretty simple: giving Ukraine weapons results in Russian casualties. There is no grander narrative the west needs to believe. The west doesn't need to believe Zelenskyy; they just need to believe that military aid to Ukraine does desirable things.

Ukraine doesn't have to achieve her military objectives for us to achieve ours.

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And he is about to finish off 18 years old to save his butt

Isnt putin doing the same thing? I dont think this is a zelensky issue, I think this is a corrupt-shithole-country-leader-issue.

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Putin only did one mobilisation during September 2022. But since then it voluntarily system where they pay very big buxx for someone living in Siberia. Russia atm doesn't have shortage of volunteers.

Russian loses ain't that high as Ukrainian and western media wants people to believe. In reality they probably have even more loses than Russian because during this whole conflict Ukraine had more men power (officially) than Russian and yet they get pushed out.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1i2lf43/ukraines_military_now_totals_880000_soldiers/

Here example how Redditor trying to mental gymnastics this simple fact.

The special case of 18 year old is that they were 15 year old 3 years ago so probably over 50% of them ain't even in the country

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I dont doubt that ukraine is more fricked than russia manpower wise, but that doesnt mean russia isnt fricked.

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Who are you to speak for the people of the Ukraine?

Take your WHITE privilege somewhere else.

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President Zelenskyy denounced suggestions by former US diplomat Henry Kissinger that Ukraine should cede control of Crimea and Donbas to Russia in exchange for peace.[91] On 25 May, Zelenskyy said that Ukraine would not agree to peace until Russia agreed to return Crimea and the Donbas region to Ukraine.

You think Ukrainian people will forget him for this ?

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They already forgot.

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>Sal

>White

Lol, lmao even

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What? I'm sure dude would love to dip the frick out to western Europe

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i think the other problem is that it would be a prime opportunity for election interference, on account of the vatBIPOCs occupying

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Oh yeah I guess like 20% of the country is occupied, do those people get to vote too?

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Just mail in your ballot...it's not that hard!

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if its true that the russians are taking some of the ukrainian population back to russia (mostly the children) then i don't think there would be anyone there to vote.

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