dnd heroes drama has resurfaced once again
So you agree? The only reason abled people want disabled people to be cured ASAP is because they're "a liability", pretty much treating people like tools who need to prove their worthiness to exist by providing? https://t.co/5UyWdqETgA pic.twitter.com/UvMI7O8nSZ
— give me kynesis (@marysunshine_7) March 18, 2024
Once thought a meme, now an actual talking point for leftoids (I even seen one unironically post making a wheelchair dnd thing on heroesforge).
It's that thing once again, leftoids are trying to push a certain thing in a fantasy hobby that fits their political worldview of idealism that usually makes no sense and requires even more suspension of disbelief than roleplaying in a magic land with dragons and unicorns.
WHEEL 
CHAIR ACCESSIBLE DUNGEONS
WHERE IS THE ADA ON THIS?
Anyway there is plenty of "right wing extremist" dunking on the thread, so I picked some replies/subthreads from lefties since those are more interesting to read.
They WILL pull their weight because they ARE heroes, simple as that.
Complete with PF card for said wheelchair
Some friendly fire:
https://twitter.com/StrixObscuro/status/1769843234568638931
Few more choice pearlclutching.
https://twitter.com/OddishHime/status/1769994460786499808
https://twitter.com/AquamarineFB/status/1769858783075766663
Last time I read a thread on this I think the "adventureres wheelchair" I saw was something that basically couldn't be broken unless there were two crits against it, which makes you wonder why not every wagon and vehicle was made with this cheap wheelchair technology. These people can't even design something with some risk because they're so afraid of losing so they need an invulnerable wheelchair.
And why even a wheelchair? Learn to levitate or something. If you're a wheelchaired martial character just go home 
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Yet these bigots will still not accept the existance of the 2021 BMW 3-series with optional heated seats in the fantasy setting... curious.
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It's the people who want the cripples to have exactly the same capabilities as normals who can't accept the existence of disabled people in their fantasy setting. It's not a disability if it doesn't affect your abilities. It's a fashion choice.
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The existence of magic means that the only kind of disabled people who exist are those who cannot cure themselves, or refuse to be cured. If you can adequately explain that in character then you can play a cripple.
Literally nobody who wants a wheelchair PC because "muh representation" can do that though.
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There's roleplaying games that do that. My favourite, Ars Magica - a game about being a wizard in 1220 AD Europe, has a whole bunch of disabilities you can take, freeing up more points that lets you get better at magic. The way it explains it is that it violates one of the two fundamental laws of magic, that of the Limit of Essential Nature. That magic can not permanently alter somethings true nature, only temporarily and for some people a disability is part of their essential nature.
Essentially you stay a cripple because God made you that way.
It's also a game where all the wizards are unlikable autistis by default. It's great fun.
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That actually sounds kinda fun
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I really like the spell creation system in Ars
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Can you combine the fireball spell with horrendous flatulence?
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It's unironically autism. if the game doesn't lay it out and have rules for it, then how does it work?!??!
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As was explained to me by the DM after i blinded someone, a cleric high enough in level to cure grevious injuries is prohibitively rare and expensive. So no it wasn't "no big deal" and he is going to spend his life getting revenge.
Most people will go their entire life never seeing a high level cleric or even someone with an adventure class unless they live in a city.
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Sure but anyone without access to a high level cleric and disabled isn't going to be an adventurer in a world as dangerous as D&D
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Yeah, that's why a disabled person just wouldn't be an adventurer. They're supposed to be like Olympic level athletes.
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Not special olympic levels
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So just find and pay for a high level cleric.
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The economy of dnd is r-slurred.
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I played an alcoholic wizard. Money was never a problem for me
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Which is the issue. Players regularly have pocket change that's more than the gdp of a village.
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what if they traded the lower half of their body to an evil god in exchange for arcane powers
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Why would I want someone who thinks that's a reasonable idea in my party?
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Raistlin Majere intensifies
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And he betrayed the party
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I assume the chair is enchanted so it can float off stairs. In which case why even give it wheels? Are they emergency backup in case the magic goes out for some reason?
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My biggest problem with it is the modern design of the wheelchair.
Even in this AI picture the wheelchair looks more off to me than the deformed peasants in the back.
Make it wooden, look at early designs of a wheelchair, also don't give it to someone who is going on a dangerous adventure.
It's all pandering with no actual forethought.
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But then it might be awkward and cause issues rather than completely obviating the disability to begin with
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!followers blessed disco bean
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An accurate distillation of their mindset.
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I almost want some of these just for the laughs, but I don't want to reward the behavior. Maybe if I found a chaos warrior-enough sculpt, because the idea of a
guy who is too pissed off to bother getting bionic legs when he could be KILL MAIM BURN ing instead would make about as much sense as anything else in Warhammers. And if the wheels were circular saws that would be even more thematic. I wouldn't be surprised at all if a conversion like that appeared in White Dwarf during 40k's 3rd edition era.
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Oh yeah now I remember I think seeing those figs at a hobby store, and of course nobody was buying them lmao.
Like how the frick is that dwarf moving if they're holding axes? Magic? Why isnt every wagon magic then?
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This one looks kick-butt, probably because it's more like a mount from an MMO than a wheelchair, and obviously a casting class anyway. And because it looks like an awesome villain rather than some theyby's self-insert.
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Yeah, "I have a flying / floating / walking throne" is super fricking cool and fits in fantasy where floating discs and baga yaga houses exist.
A warrior manually having to push his wheelchair wheels around though.... not so much.
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Also if you have an magical floating throne with an underslung death ray, it's because you either built it yourself or rightfully stole it, either of which is an achievement you earned.
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Yes! That one is so much better. A fricking creepy-crawly throne is way better and makes more sense for a cripple who happens to be an evil warlord. lol
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Also the reach of a dwarf in a seated position would be pitiful.
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You can't even lean forward to thrust or you'd fall out of your chair, and your turning speed would be abysmal. Literall anybody could just circle you and smash your head in from behind.
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Yeah as far as I can tell my only power is I can cruise really fast on a shallow slope with no effort.
I miss being like in Drunken Master the style of the drunken cripple with a strong right leg. I have to take care of my weak leg now which I'm probably pretty sure will never actually work again.
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He's on a slope.
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Racist.
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Yes but unrelated
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They are pushed off mountains to defend their homeland
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Shit, now I want to learn Zbrush to make a crawling Khornate ankle chopper.
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I assumed those were warhammaer death seeker dwarves who were crippled by a previous attempt to die gloriously in battle but survived. Now they're trying again.
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If I was in an overly libtarded D&D group, I would purposely make a wheelchair character to purposefully be a burden to the rest of the party.
“Oh, the cave is too narrow/ there's no bridge/ there are stairs, guess I'll wait here/ you guys have to carry me!”
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Friend's spouse had a Goliath with a phobia of water. Rest of the party was a mix of manlets like halflings and gnomes having to carry him over streams and into boats.
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Literal progressive stack
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Grrm out here catching strays.
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Brann for the most part of the series was carried by a giant and once he got a wheelchair (that someone else has to push) he stayed in the castle most of the time. Where he belongs.
Where all handicapped belong.
If anything I think it would be cooler to have a disabled character in like a kangaroo harness like a baby on some giant, that would be both hilarious and kinda cool.
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Warhammer is a very serious game and setting:
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Honestly, compared to a LOT of more recent shit it looks almost sensible.
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The only way I would ever own this is if they made 40Kart, which I wouldn't mind at all:
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That and them phasing out a lot of firstborn units makes using proxies and pirating codices the only ethical way to play WH.
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Modern 40k designs are shit, modern GW designs are mostly shit. It's way too OTT and should be more grounded.
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They are not over the top, they're just plain stupid. Making a Librarian Dreadnought model with Wings of Sanguinius would be one of the most OTT things in 40k and if would be awesome. Making a hovercraft LCVP and describing it as a deadly technology from DAOT is stupid.
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If it was done like this it would be awesome, https://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/2/11/82191-Blood%20Angels%2C%20Death%20Company%2C%20Dreadnought%2C%20Furioso.jpg
If it was done (as it would be) like the Primarchs they've done it would be stupid. Because the setting was already OTT, but then they ramped it up to even more OTT and made the models huge and overly detailed ruining it all. Even if the concept is good they frick it all up.
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I hate that thing so much if I still bought GW shit I'd probably convert it with a dreadnought plate in the middle or something.
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That is what people did back when it first came out.
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So progressive
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I didn't say where in the castle.
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What game is that?
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Mortal Kombat X
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Broke: heal all the cripples so they aren't crippled
Woke: don't be an ableist
Bespoke: fine then I'll steal the cute twinks wheelchair too
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Bespoke: sure we'll take the
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You can't tell me playing a spellcasting cripple being pushed around by a lobotomized orc wouldnt be rad
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Yeah, that would be cool. But they don't want wheelchairs like that.
They want wheelchairs that are unbreakable (cause the evil DM would destroy it QQ) and being able to float up-/down stairs (it should not have the disadvantages of what a wheelchair brings) and they should have full movespeed.
The concept of magical wheelchair is r-slurred. It has so much magical power that it doesn't need to be a wheelchair. Chose something cooler, like a cloud or a throne. Or if you really want a normal wheelchair to be pushed by an orc - then it has all the normal ups/downs of a wheelchair.
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This is a problem with speculative fiction in general. Take robots, for instance. There's basically no reason to shape a machine like a human unless you're specifically trying to disguise that machine as a human. For almost any other task, there's a more efficient shape. But in any story featuring robots, the majority of them will be people-shaped.
Any tool ever designed, from spear to space shuttle, was designed that way because it was the optimal design for the purpose at hand when utilizing the resources available. Add magic or super science to the mix, and you've fundamentally changed the resources available, which changes the design in turn. But no one ever considers that. Too much effort, I guess.
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90% of magical settings should have had the Industrial Revolution already, with magic taking the place of the steam engine
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Just play Arcanum
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Arcanum has an actual Industrial Revolution. I mean a world where magic is treated as a revolutionary technology in and of itself
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That's a cool idea
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Eberron is calling.
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The other reason is if you already have a bunch of stuff that's designed to be navigated and interacted with by humans, and you don't want to redesign everything for your robots.
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In that case, why not just build the robot into the existing machine as a program or hardware upgrade, rather than building a second physical machine to use the first machine as an external operator? And even if we're talking about something that's both old enough that a modern program or hardware upgrade couldn't be inserted into it and would require so many resources to replace it that building a second machine to operate the first makes more sense than building a second machine to replace the first, the operation process would have to somehow require the same legs, torso, arms, neck, and head as a human. That's so specific. You really can't eliminate or alter any of those for increased efficiency?
Then again, in a magitek setting like Dungeons & Dragons, I suppose that hyperspecificity is possible. You'd just need a really annoying god or multiple ancient precursor civilizations stacked on top of each other or something. But in sci-fi settings, especially hard sci-fi settings? Ridiculous. At least, in a realism sense.
Which is why I don't care too much about this when it comes to actual stories. They're not being written by and for Moon Men from the 31st century, they're being written by and for Earth Men in the here and now. Being unrealistic is fine, so long as you don't make your whole fricking "brand" about how realistic your shit is. But since this thread is about the logic (and lack thereof) behind world-building in role-playing games, I figured I'd point it out.
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If only you could put that energy into your relationships
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The human body is a lot more efficient than you are giving it credit for brother. Your entire thing about "everything is a hrckin human robot" is also not even true, mainstream shit like Star Wars has purpose built bots that are not humanoid, and humanoid bots for humanoid functions.
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All of these problems are solved by the orc. He can carry the chair up the stairs if need be, and carry you if it breaks but u lose a lot of storage spots (the player would need spell scrolls or smth to cast) as a debuff
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At this point just have the mind controlled orc carry the caster around.
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Thats no fun
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They'd want the orc to be unbreakable as well. Otherwise you just kill the orc and leave the cripple downstairs.
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It's part of the debuff.
My cripple character is called Wheeliam the Wise
He's atrophied to the point he can barely talk, an incurable disease has made him age at twenty times the normal rate, to the point he's often mistaken for a corpse.
All of his spells must be cast from scrolls, he must constantly roll for control over his orc tardwrangler. He must use a spell to communicate with the rest of the party
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All far more interesting than the 'ableists won't let me take a wheelchair into the forest' types. Willy Two Wheels actually sounds interesting.
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It's WHEELIAM THE WISE
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I've never played DnD, but it sounds like actually inhibited wheelchair options could be interesting from what I know. But it sounds like they either want super wheelchairs or
inhibited wheelchairs.
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Why be pushed around when you could ride piggyback?
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