mumsnet discusses what is a woman (12 pages of seethe)

>It's that there's

>a) no publicly available evidence for the xy chromosome result - if there is please can someone post the source?

>b) if you read the famous lancet article on the trans debate which covers xy chromosomes and s*x and dsds you will realise that a Y chromosome is not a literal letter Y, it is four chromatids of differing lengths and therefore not a neatly packaged thing

>c) evidence for higher testosterone, which essentially means nothing. I am currently pregnant with a baby boy, my testosterone levels are also above the cutoff point so presumably that means I am male too? despite having a human being kicking me in the ribs right now!?

>d) mn keyboard warriors saying Imane Khelif is a man is just offensive to someone who was born female and raised female, and had to face so much sexism in her life to even be able to enter boxing. I feel bad for her.

>e) mn keyboard warriors are actually using the same argument as the TRAs is ironic

>f) comments like the one above about Muslim countries pisses me off

>g) snopes and other fact check organisations say she was born and lived her entire life as female, and is not trans, and has not transitioned. She is not a man and she has never been a man.

>I see the possibility that a woman, who was born female, who was brought up female, who had to face sexism on her boxing journey because 'it's not feminine', who was part of controversial chromosome testing where I have seen no actual publicly available evidence that she has xy chromosomes, who has female body parts, who has high levels of testosterone, I think she has wrongly been accused of being male when all along she's just some girl who is a boxer. I just think it's worth considering this point. And that in the event that someone has all the female anatomy and things I describe above, how awful that people all over the world are going round being like 'it's a man it's a man'.

>But Khelif is a man, who based on the publicly-available information, has a DSD only men can have.

>He wasn't born female, he was misidentified by the doctor only having a cursory glance at what looked like a vulva.

TIL: shit is complicated and mumsnet bends the definitions to exclude ugly women/DSDs lmao