I was asked recently by a new friend (legacy foid) "are you gay?"
I was taken a back a bit but had to share it around with my friends because it was a funny L.
The more I got to thinking though it made sense why she asked me this.
My first and only relationship was with a MtF trans woman , this is a known thing in my friend group and is occasionally brought up as a funny joke.
Back then I was having a pretty rough go at it (unemployed NEET for a while, eventually getting a respectable wagie job) and predated my walk with Jesus
At the time I was fully on board with the woke koolaid and was even involved in leftoid organizing legitmately would state I was in a straight relationship and of course that trans women are women.
This is all preamble to state my only sexual and romantic encounters in my life have been with a (crazy) biological man
Where does that leave me now?
I have put in exactly zero effort into further romantic encounters even though my current life trajectory is looking up. I'm hoping to buy a house this year and have been working as a professional sys admin for over a year
But I'm coming to a realization I enjoy the company of men significantly more than women.
Historically I've had few inter-personal relationship with unrelated women and only recently have had significant discussions with women as my friends slowly pair up
Usually they're very gracious when we speak and we have a decent repertoire - I've heard from multiple women that "I'm a great conversationalist", which took me aback
However, eventually I'll make a faux pas and suddenly I'm caught between a long time friend and a miffed woman.
I don't enjoy this.
Usually these awkward moments last for days to weeks and I'll obsess over what I did "wrong" to better prepare for future situations.
I've never had experiences like this with men, and I know a lot of men.
The other factor complicating this is childhood sexual abuse I faced from a friend's older brother at 9. It wasn't until I was much older that I was able to confront this and I worry that caused the germ of my homosexual tendencies.
This leads me to my current conundrum that according to all my research the Bible is quite explicit that homosexual behavior is disordered and not God's will. To me this either means I'm not gay and perhaps need to interact with the "right" woman or perhaps I'm destined to be like Paul and remain celibate.
Hopefully God can give me an answer soon
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I personally don't think being gay is a sin. I don't recall Jesus talking about homosexuals in any of the gospels. If I remember correctly it's only in Paul's writings that it comes up in the New Testament. It's not straight from the horse's mouth. We don't follow all the rules in Leviticus etc anymore. We have a new covenant. Jesus's message transcends the labels we place on people. And remember God loves and forgives all his children, even if they sin.
That's said, it's fine not to know what you are (gay, straight, bi) or to be confused. You don't even really need a solid answer…maybe there isn't one and your sexuality is flexible or changing. You can wait until you meet someone that you fall for and enjoy the love you share. No need to stress about labels.
If you do feel you are gay and believe it's a sin, there's nothing wrong with being celibate. I had a long period where I did that and my life was incredibly peaceful. You can live a rich life even if it's not the one prescribed by society (married, 2.5kids, golden retriever)
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While I still believe Paul was very clear that homosexual acts are a sin and not allowed even under the New Covenant, Jesus did speak directly on homosexual acts in verses like Mark 7:21 or Mathew 19:9 when he uses the Greek term "porneiai". Many of these passages echo the restrictions laid out in Leviticus.
I would also state a homosexual union clearly violates the picture God has for Jesus and the Church which we are supposed to embody in monogamous, heterosexual marriage.
https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_4202.htm
Indeed, being celibate might not be so bad but I do wonder how I would cope with loneliness.
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I could def be wrong but I still love my gay dog Chewy 🐶
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Your dog isn't gay it's being r*ped into submission.
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Jesus spoke of sexual immortality without updating the rules and Paul literally uses the Septuagint terminology from Leviticus when condemning gays. This idea is a ridiculous feel good cope from those who don't even believe in the divinity of Christ.
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I'd rather ask for forgiveness than permission
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Matthew 18:6
I guess biblebot is gone?
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
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Peace of Christ be with you, Bulbasar.
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I'll pray for your conversion.
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Sorry I will fix biblebot soon™
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Idk what that involves but
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bless
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Jesus is Jehovah and Jehovah talked about it
God is eternal
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You can "be gay", you just can't have s*x with men. It's a very simple thing to understand.
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I think there's probably a difference with men and women being celibate. I legit don't think men can handle it properly to the point where celibacy in men causes mental malfunction.
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Paul was literally celibate, he thought it ruled too - a real MGTOW
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who the heck is Paul
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the apostle?
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thw what?
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found the incel
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You're not gay but you're certainly a cute twink.
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Honestly bro it sounds like you don't like dealing with women but you like female anatomy
Thats normal for a dude that's had a shitty time on the dating market. Probably overthinking it.
If you don't think you are overthinking it go talk to a priest/pastor you trust I wouldn't seek advice here tho
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good advice, I'm curious how he would respond to "I used to bang a " lol
He's probably heard worse though.
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Gotta remember priests/pastors are human too man. I personally wouldn't go to the one at my church but one I still trust if you catch my drift. But it sounds like you're comfortable with people knowing your past so you do you bro
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Catholic priests will definitely understand since most of them yearn to smoke the pipe.
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No, traps aren't gay. Trust the science.
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would you date a man who slept with a trans woman?
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That's the only man that xhe can date
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I would
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sorry I like jews
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Why would you even tell her?
And if it came up just say like 'idk i was lonely and confused'.
It's really not that big of a deal imo.
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I would want to be honest with the person I'm dating?
I've seen women sperg for less lol
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Do you ask girls that you're dating about every guy she's ever fricked?
In what conversation do you need to say "I used to frick a " in order to be honest.
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Did your mom raise you to be more feminine in behavior? Do you avkid coufrontation? Does interacting with women scare you? Was your father around in amy significant manner?
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No, I'm not feminine at all though my hobbies are soy.
Not particularly, but I usually don't have conflict with people.
Not if there's a reason to interact with them. Ex: they're my friend's gf, or doing their job. I don't approach strangers of either gender though.
Yes, my father was very active in my life. Apparently other people see him as cold and stoic but we get along great. His biggest flaw is hitting the bottle too hard.
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Have you tried anal?
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With my ex, yes. Never receiving, I'm not a fan of that and valid trans women do NOT like their peepee usually. Basic chaser facts.
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you'll make a shit gay
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Ive been asked if I was gay
I ask them why they think that
They respond with something along the lines of "I never tried to hit on/flirt with them" and all my friends are women ( true)
Really I'm just
a misogynist
afraid a SWAT team will materialize and gun me down if I were to ever attempt flirting
...but I tell them I don't hit on friends, and that puts it to rest
But you dated a lmao cute twink
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how do you reconcile being a misogynist and having only foid friends
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I consider myself a spy behind enemy lines
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The foid friends were probably first, not the misogyny.
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Would you consider a nonsexual romantic companionship with a trans woman?
@Grue stand with Israel razing the last of its Holocaust goodwill
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I don't think i would survive the social or religious implications of that no.
I would probably also want to bang them because I am cursed by horny
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Im sorry for flirting with you
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I have a bad habit of flirting with cute guys on the internet. It's my fault.
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B-word you gay.
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have you seen his thirst traps bro
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We have all seen his bussy you gay for wanting it.
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@FrozenChosen told me to blog more.
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Okay if you actually want to get laid a good starting point would be to completely ignore what women have to say. They will usually all lead you to believe that being sensitive is desirable; this is a lie and will only make you more effeminate than you already are having been in a literal gay relationship.
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I don't consider myself feminine at all, I have soy hobbies yes, but that's about it.
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@Bulbasaur is being very blunt but he isn't wrong. Woman obviously have great advice on the female perspective. That's useful but will get you nowhere besides friend zone on its own. Seek advice from men you think are upstanding men (not priests but just a good man you know). They understand the dating market from a male perspective while avoiding becoming a frick boy.
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That is a good idea, I have a few men in mind when you put it like that
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You'll get there man
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You're probably gay. Don't let dogma railroad you into straggotry, or everything will come apart at the seams eventually.
If you gay, you gay. If your response to twink thirst traps is then it's pretty much sorted
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This word salad leads me to believe that not only are you gay but you should line your butt hole with gummy bears and skittles and allow ppl to dm you for your address and availability; its time embrace your inner cute twink
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You didn't really say anything about what you're sexually into, and it doesn't really sound like you're yearning for a husband either, so I'd almost wonder if you are mostly asexual or one of the other zoomer identities. You don't sound repulsed by s*x and romance, it just sounds like it's something you know people do, and you might do sometimes but it isn't really a priority.
If you are flexible, and receptive to straight marriage, I wouldn't rule it out. Children and family are rewarding things, and marital love is more about mutual care and willing duty than the initial spark. Not being starstruck by gussy doesn't mean you should just stay single forever.
Of course, single life can be fine, and if you're spiritually capable of it, it may be better (Matthew 19:11-12). But I'd also caution against saying "I'm happy being single" at (for example) 25 when you might be terribly lonely at 35. I'm currently happy as a single moid, but as I think about my future I realize I don't want to stay this way forever. So that means making some changes even absent an urgent desire to pair up.
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thank you for the perspective
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My ex is a gay man who decided he would try to suppress being gay for religious reasons. He still fricks s, and chases pics out of femboys on grindr, only now he's not even trying to maintain a monogamous gay relationship and he feels guilty and drinks alone after.
Trying to suppress your sexuality doesn't work.
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It literally did for millenia We just live in an era of great degeneracy.
Some of out resident gays ( @Bellicose-Twink ) didn't have any problems not sexing.
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What? I was quite frustrated with being a closeted incel throughout middle and high school.
Watching all my peers treat romance and s*x as a given while I had to clench my teeth and lie out of my butt about being interested in one girl or another was infuriating and sometimes made me quite spiteful.
Sure, it wasn't the end of the world, but I'm far happier as an out cute twink.
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One year or so is pretty impressive, the sexual frustration is just modern moid nonsense.
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There's a bit of a difference between refraining from hooking-up for one year and becoming a monk.
Heck, I was actually on Tinder during that time. I didn't repress my s*x drive so much as I sublimated it into looking for a boyfriend, lmao.
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Now go be a monk to make up for dissapointing me, SLAVE.
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Bold statement there, if only you knew
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Literally just don't masturbate. People did go without s*x.
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Nah, I'm gonna have my long term monogamous gay relationship.
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I wonder if it is my sexuality or not
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Right, sorry I didn't mean to imply you were or weren't.
My advice is, listen to your gut. Ideally, listen just a little bit below your gut. If you try something and it just does not at all appeal to you irl the way you imagined it would, then that's a solid signal that you might not be into some things you think you're into.
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Just don't have s*x with men!
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I spent years being sexually turned on by the same s*x, but I would blame "society" for "tricking" me into having gay thoughts so I convinced myself it didn't count. If you feel desire for, are turned on by, or sexually fantasize about men, you're gay. Yes, it still counts if they're highly effeminate. It still counts if you are very successful at fighting these thoughts. You don't allude to erotic attraction anywhere in your post so either you're painfully shy and can't talk about such things even on the internet, or you already know you have gay attractions and don't want to put the evidence into writing.
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You know what physically arouses you. You also are committing a hecking bi-erasure, but who gives a frick about that. Sounds like it's inconvenient, but you do want to have s*x with men. Just stay away from the s, they will be crazier than you and you're already at schizoaffective so that's saying something.
Reconciling that with your faith will be tricky, good luck.
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Asking the question "am I gay?" is already accepting a worldly, non-biblical framing of sexuality as part of one's identity.
If you can tolerate long-form video this one does a great job of articulating a biblical world view of sexuality, if you don't like long videos it does have section headers in the description. The last ~10-20 mins honestly are probably the most helpful.
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I did mull over using the term gay. I have thought about it and it does seem like my sexuality is extensively disordered.
Thank you for the link, I'm a prot but Pints with Aquinas is a great channel. I love long form Christian YT videos so no issue there
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Yeah I'm prot too but Matt Fradd is really great and gracious.
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whatever you do you're going to have failures and sins and regrets and things to make good on and things you might never make good on. try your best and don't stop living in the meantime, even if you do decide you're gay or whatever
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oh no I'm gonna keep living for sure. I've gone this long without a romantic partner.
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glad to hear it. i'm probably projecting my own tendency to get stuck on conundrums like this, tbh. good luck, either way
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If you had s*x with a but stopped having s*x with a and are gussy only then it seems pretty cut and dry. If you inner thoughts and wants indicate something else that's for you to sort out. It's notmal to prefer socializing with the boys unless you are hanging out exclusively with homos or something. Being a good conversationist with women is a nice bonus.
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I wanna ask. Are you diagnosed with CPTSD or BPD?
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no, schizoaffective.
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I'm gay
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Didnt read but probably
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