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"We are all fundamentally good. Yes, there are some rogues and sinners, but the heart itself is good," says Pope Francis. https://t.co/MmLPBhWVU2 pic.twitter.com/7Be2GrKrdB
— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) May 19, 2024
Bro, has the Pope even met people?
Does the Pope not realize that what goodnees he sees was hard-fought-for by his own church, and only possible by the grace of Our Lord as mediated by the Holy Spirit?
Does he not know that this is the good news that the gospels are named after?
!christians discuss!
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Guys I'm beginning to think this wasn't just a meme
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Pastor Jim split off from the Baptist church when they told him he shouldn't marry his sister though
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Imagine having issues with THIS of all things. Actually KILL all rightoids, im no longer asking !atheists
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The central atheist conceit is "I'm good enough as is". It denies both history and the current world. Look around - are people good? Or are they bastard coated bastards with bastard filling? What model better describes the world, "There are some rogues and sinners, but the heart is basically good", or Ecclesiastes 7:20? Look at your own heart - you know yourself best - are you basically good, or do you fail even in your intentions to be good?
The problem with thinking that people are basically good, is it cuts at the knees the desire to better It denies the call of Matthew 16:24 where Jesus invites us to join him in bettering ourselves and serving the world. "People are basically good" denies us the opportunity to accept God's grace and his invitation to join him in the renewal of the world. It leads people to miss out on the greatest possible purpose for their lives.
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We're all huge cute twinks like 10% of the time
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Ecclesiastes 7:20
Matthew 16:24
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It does kinda fly in the face of the New Covenant (if you look at it with a lore perspective)
Romans 3:23 explicitly states, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.”
So you're starting out as imperfect/sinful just by being born as a part of the post-Garden of Eden human experience because of some “sins of the father shit” with Adam and Eve. If you get people thinking that humanity is inherently good then the rest of Christianity's lore starts to fall apart; really dumb move considering that church attendance is declining (who's gonna pay for those fancy dresses and elaborate shit when the church is empty?)
So to sell Christianity, you need to convince everyone you come across that God's mad at you, so repent and follow Jesus. Kinda hard to do if the pope is saying everyone's good
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Romans 3:23
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Oh wow, gee, the Pope of all people, his word infallible, his robes immaculate on his golden throne, would lead people astray from Christ?
That cannot be true.
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Martin Luthor dumped a load of books from the Bible lol
"Removed in this way were books that supported such things as prayers for the dead (Tobit 12:12; 2 Maccabees 12:39-45), Purgatory (Wisdom 3:1-7), intercession of dead saints (2 Maccabees 15:14), and intercession of angels as intermediaries (Tobit 12:12-15). Ultimately, the "Reformers" decided to ignore the canon determined by the Christian Councils of Hippo and Carthage (and reaffirmed and closed at the Council of Trent4), and resort solely to those texts determined to be canonical by Pharisees long after the death and resurrection of Christ."
!chuds
https://www.fisheaters.com/septuagint.html
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I appreciate the source, I truly do.
So, if you examine what Luther did in his Biblical scholarship, he knew intrinsically something was amiss with contemporary theology. The mass politicking in the Church, the indulgences, the idolatry to Mary, things that if you were well versed enough in Medieval Christianity and an actual scholar, you'd be like, "Yeah that's weird." And you are right, Luther did look to the Pharisees about his source for the books in the Bible, because as we all know, the Bible is divided primarily into two books, the Old Testament and the New One. From your source:
Now, if the only problem Catholics have of the Protestant Bible is that it lacks parts of the Old Testament, why exactly would pull from some council of early Catholic churches that took place nearly 400-ish years after the Crucifixion, when you literally have the jews who witnessed Christ's crucifixion in living memory (The Pharisees dissolves in 73 AD, meaning their documentation of jewish texts is literally contemporary to Christ.) giving you the documentation on jewish literature?
Like, I get the reflexive "Jews killed Christ so they're probably misleading us" if they were tampering with accounts of the New Testament, but as your source says, Catholics and Protestants are aligned on the New Testament. But basically, Luther saw the sourcing for the Catholic Bible relying on Catholic sources for texts that seemed out of line for the Old Testament, and comparing it to the Pharisee's Tanakh, Luther felt that the Pharisees, the literal Rabbinical authority on judasim in the time of Christ being more accurate than that of a Catholic Diaspora on jewish texts contemporary to Jesus.
I'm certainly open to the rebuttal, and I'll probably call my grandfather Sunday and get his opinion. Probably won't be much debate, he's protestant too. But I welcome more sources and debate.
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Mommy is soooo proud of you, sweaty. Let's put this sperg out up on the fridge with all your other failures.
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Sorry
I don't feel like retyping but check 
my rebuttal
https://rdrama.net/h/truth/post/270447/pope-says-people-are-fundamentally-good/6430587#context
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Interdasting
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Its called the Deuterocanon. Jews also dont think its legit. Luther shoved these books into the apocrypha before that meant gnostic slop so if you have an old enough KJV its still in there.
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In the past before the Rabbis decided after the destruction of the Second Temple, which books they'll accept, there were many Jews that did accept many of the deutercanonical books, I mean it was Jews themselves who translated the Septuagint. Even among the Dead See Scrolls deutercanonical books were found.
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their non cannon status was determined by Jews after christs death.
I don't see the logic
in following their biblical 
cannon after the rejection 
of Christ. We split off from them for that very reason.
Same way it wouldn't make sense for a Protestant
to listen 
to the pope. Maybe he says something that you agree 
with maybe he doesn't but it is entirely irrelevant 
to you at that point.
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The Pharisees took out the Book of Maccabees because the Flavian Emperors pressured them in order to prevent inspiration for Jewish revolts iirc
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Cracks me up that a religion as simple as "bend the knee to Jesus" has managed to create so much confusion and strife. Clearly the Pope is wrong.
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The Church only considers the Pope infallible when he's speaking ex cathedra, which is not that common.
!catholics
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I want to like the Catholics, I really do, but then Papa Frank says something like this and later this week my YouTube feed will be filled with the Catholic apologists aCtUaLlY
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!Catholics it's just like the real PBS/NPR in every way.
Why on Earth, my fellow child, would you ever trust the duplicitous deceitful and demonic
@C-SPAN? !christians Pray with me.
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I hope you're not questioning papal infallibility, because you know, that would be against doctrine...
You must not watch a lot of C-SPAN if you're comparing them to PBS or NPR. First, C-SPAN is not a publicly funded entity as their primary revenue, it's cable dues as stipulated by Congress.
Secondly, most of the time you won't know the C-SPAN anchor's names because that would distract from their interviewees, such a politicians, lawyers, and other scholars. It's pretty open access, and has a toll free number to call if you disagree with one of the casters, and if you're lucid they will patch you on and hear you out.
If free thought like that sounds demonic to you, I can offer you some indulgences so you can buy your way into Christ's Grace.
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!catholics
@C-SPAN doesn't understand the nature, scope, and historical basis of Papal infallibility. Color me surprised. 
You're uninformed, unintelligent, and unworthy of further regard prior to repentance. Your presence on this website serves only to sow racial and religious resentment. You have never engaged in an honest manner with followers of Christ or political dissidents. I pray that you find Our Lord Jesus Christ and change your ways.
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Wow I really must be on a reddit clone to already be accused of arguing in bad faith.
I've just never met a tradcath that can defend their religion on any basis except reflexively screeching in my direction followed by an insincere offer of prayer.
I'd actually discuss this with you if you're serious, but if you're just an alt of
@literalp-dophile I'm probably not interested.
!metashit whose alt is this?
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!Catholics !Christians this organ of state propaganda thinks he can stand before the generations of theologians and believers before us. He's a dumb racist agendaposter, an adherent to the darkest depths of !metashit -ery our site has to offer, and has never once posted an original or insightful comment upon our Blessed
forum. I accept his offer to discuss, knowing full well he has nothing new to offer. Sidevote this "man".
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is this the real cspan how do i sidevote im so confused
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ew christcuck
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Where is your hijab? Do you simply live in the West, adopt our Christian values, yet denigrate the basis upon which they are formed?
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Okay, I give
@C-SPAN an upmarsey. Thanks!
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I only sidevote papists, sorry
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The Pope was mad that his Papal States were no more, and it was inevitable that Italy will take Rome too to have is it as their capital. So he decided that what he says will now be infallible, sure only when he says it "ex cathedra", but he can just choose to say whatever he wants "ex cathedra".
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Wrong. Plus I'm arguing against one of our prolific chudposters, are your values primarily anti-Catholicism or anti-Chud?
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Primarily anti-chud, I still don't like that Pope who kidnapped that Jewish boy, and called the First Vatican Council so they declare him infallibale.
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You know that child became a priest and an advocate of the faith despite ample opportunity to seek secular refuge? I can understand dismissing his witness as "brainwashing", but he chose his path in life.
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God isn't real btw and Jesus
was just a very successful cult leader.
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In b4 "it's not infallibility unless it comes from the ex cathedra region of the magisterium, otherwise it's just sparkling heresy"
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Nice.
https://rdrama.net/h/truth/post/270447/pope-says-people-are-fundamentally-good/6430746#context
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Look even if you disagree
with the doctrine at least argue against the doctrine people actually 
believe.
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All the Calvinists sneeding in the comments.
No, we in the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church don't believe in Total Depravity. Suck it up, Protestants!
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“The heart itself is good” is wildin.
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Why is this a bad thing? Pls explain to this confused Jew
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if we're fundamentally good, then how am i going to convince people
or else theyre going to infinitely tortured in heck
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I thought that was the whole point of purgatory, "you were good but you didn't believe so we're not letting you in the heaven club"
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thats limbo, purgatory is for christians who need need a couple thousand hours of community service. the last pope axed limbo for babies tho
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Help goyim, I'm also confused
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I'm guessing because it's a classic Xtian belief to think all people are born in sin and are fundamentally bad until they find Christ
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Catholics saw Jewish guilt and then perfected it. Just born? Filthy sinner is sucking on his mother's tit.
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"people are basically good" becomes "I'm basically good" which becomes "if me and these good people are not winning it's because other people (the rogues and sinners) are oppressing me" which is the basic principle behind Marxism (no surprise that Pope liberation theology would go there) which leads to a fair few of the genocides of the 20th century.
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Lol I know people like their slippery slope but I think "humans have a fundamental dignity" leads to genocide is a bit much hun
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That's not what I said though
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People are basically good leads to the principles of Marxism which causes genocides? Is that better?
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believing that people are basically good, yes. When people believe that they are basically they lose motivation self reflect on their actions and to try to better themselves.
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me, personally, i think the belief that "people are fundamentally good" or "humans have a fundamental dignity" doesn't engender people to commit genocide
whereas the belief that people can be born inherently evil/sinful and that evil/sin is transmitted by their birth, might enable people to kill others. but hey, youre right, lack of self improvement is a problem 
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See, that's interesting. I never would have equated the idea that "humans have a fundamental dignity" with the idea that "people are fundamentally good. I agree 100% with "humans have a fundamental dignity" - that's Christian doctrine through and through, and it's the Christian doctrine that built modern notion of human rights and that underpins western civilization. But I see it as completely separate from the concept that people are inherently good or bad.
Because that's exactly what scares me. When they tie human dignity to the idea that people are basically good, and say that's it's only a few "rogues and sinners" who are bad, they start to blame those rogues for the woes of the world. If it's just a few people that aren't good (unlike the rest of us), then maybe it's ok if they're not treated like the rest of us - getting rid of them would help solve a lot of problems, wouldn't it?
And so the fundamentals of classical liberalism are eroded away because idea of basic human dignity has been coupled to that person's inherent goodness. And once a few bad apples have been gotten rid of, but the world still has problems, a search begins for more people out there who aren't basically good, and an ever tightening purity spiral continues. Pretty soon entire groups of people are getting the blame, deflecting people from considering the evil within themselves. QED.
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i feel like its a one-step proof. treating good things without dignity is bad, humans are good, treating humans without dignity is bad. therefor treat humans with dignity.
we have humanist thought at least from the ancient greeks like Socrates, Epicurus, and Aristotle, all espousing ethics without jesus. this was such a problem for christians like augustine and aquinas that they explained it as pre-christ revelations, laughably dogmatic. or simply consider just the golden rule. or even within the christian mythology where jesus in between death and resurrection goes to heck or limbo or whatever to save all those moral jewish patriarchs. then comes the enlightenment, a clear rejection of christian theism in favor of obtaining rights from Natural law, developed it further to the west we know today. its not even exclusive to the west. jainism is radical compared to christianity in it gives dignity and respect to all living things. human dignity did not start with christianity, that assertion ignores thousands of years of thought.
its funny that you dropped the word sinner from that line because the idea that "we need to remove the sinners" is a pervasive idea in christian thought and practice, no? then your slippery slope is something like that would never happen in christian countries like witch hunts or inquisitions. We just have to root out and burn that last sinner, oops i mean rogue.
like the ideas from adam smith, voltaire, rousseau, paine, hume, etc etc etc enlightenment thinkers deriving diginity from natural laws instead of a theistic god? much of the west we enjoy today came from a rejection not affirmation of theism and Christianity.
regardless, i cannot stress how much quicker it is to get to dehumanization from "everyone is fundamentally sinful". so much so, you can apparently hold the idea of universal human dignity as well as advocate for the literally the most immoral action possible to inflict on a human, infinite torture, heck. im not saying christianity is unique in its mistreatment of humans, but to say its better than "humans are good", i dont think so
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Wait until you hear what the Orthodox Church and the Byzantine Rite think of Original Sin vs. the "concupiscence removes all free will
" that Luther freestyled
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lol imagine saying something as gay as that. what a fricking hippy
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The Roman Pope is right
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This goes to show the pope is a bad person. If you're bad, most people are better than you, so humanity will seem fundamentally good.
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Link was a Christian knight. Never forget what they took from us!
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"In year 2045, the Catholic church recognizes all sin, even original sin as totally righteous and good and walking the path of the Lord our God, who probably doesn't exist am I right guys. So do what you want, really, we don't care, just make sure you keep giving us money."
The Pope
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