In other parts of rural Oklahoma, some longtime school leaders say they have never received complaints from families that religion is not taught enough in the classroom, and that they see no reason to shift course.
In Texas, members of the public were invited to express their opinions about a proposed elementary curriculum infused with stories from the Bible that education officials will vote on later this fall. Some superintendents in the northeast and western sections of the state — where many parents and educators are reverent Christians and traditionally support Republican policies — publicly criticized the religious content in the proposed lessons...
In the 19th century, Catholics in Philadelphia fought against students reading the King James Version of the Bible, after Protestants helped bring it into schools as a common textbook. Believers across the ideological spectrum later battled over whether science classes would teach the theory of evolution or the creation story from the Book of Genesis...
One of Mr. Miller's sons attended vacation Bible school at a Baptist church in the summer, the superintendent said. At 10, the child was told by an adult there that "he would not be able to enter the kingdom of God" because he was baptized only as an infant.
Lutherans like Mr. Miller believe that newborns can be baptized as a means of grace, while the Baptist tradition says the ritual should be reserved for believers making a conscious decision.
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paywalled article
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Even if you take away the fricking religious
components from the fricking book (for public education), just from a fricking literary standpoint it makes sense to teach. It's a fricking book that defined literature 
in the fricking VVEST for almost two thousand years.
It just makes sense to at least cover an overview of the fricking literary aspects. The fricking amount of poetry alone
is fricking amazing.
!bookworms thoughts, b-word?
!christians !catholics thoughts, b-word?
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Pretending it doesn't exist is the sanest path for an education system that has a million masters.
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I posted my thoughts above. Give me multiple
and 
please. I think atheist school teachers and the fundamentalist Evangelical crowd teaching Scripture is a net negative for Christ and His Church.
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I already did you beggar
I agree
it has many avenues to go wrong. If they could tip toe around the fricking religious 
aspect (they won't) just from a fricking literary standpoint it's a fricking book that has survived 
millennia for a fricking reason. There's a fricking reason most people were fricking taught to read and write 
using it. It has every kind of word play and story 
device you could possibly 
teach.
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Relativizing and teaching Scripture as mere literature is the death knell of Christendom.
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God forbid they read the Book of Jonah and realize it's satire. They might have the devilish idea that satire and irony might be okay to do.
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If you watched the shows (Arrested Development, Always Sunny) I recommended you, you'd know I love satire and irony. The problem I have is only when that's applied to God's Word. Elaborate or my
stands.
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If your sky daddy can't get over jokes about him, then he should go to therapy.
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You know Jesus Himself told jokes and expressed irony that were recorded in the Gospels, right? Such as John 10:
Or Matthew 23:
Or John 1:
He drank wine sitting with other men over dinner in enumerable sections of the Gospels. He had a sense of humor. Yours is sometimes lacking.
!christians !catholics
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At least the Romans didn't have to do my nails.
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I think there's a literature aspect which is worth teaching, at least in the English Language as at least the Portuguese Bible translations like the Almeida translation have nothing close to the elegance of the KJV.
But I can see your point of making it just a "mundane school subject". At the end of the day spiritual matters are better when taught at home by the parents or grandparents or whoever is raising the kid.
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The fricking Portuguese translation is fricking lacking you think, b-word? I don't have a fricking familiarity with other translations of the fricking Bible
tbh
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The KJV is acknowledged as a literary masterpiece. But when we talk about Portuguese literature people will use poems like the Lusiads as a reference or in Brazil books by Machado de Assis, not the Bible.
There's no Bible translation neither in Portuguese or in Spanish to have a privileged status as literature or cultural influence like the KJV in English.
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I can understand that status or prestige but what about actual quality, b-word?
My understanding is fricking that historically reading
the fricking Bible 
is not fricking as important or at least not as common in Catholicism 
as it is fricking in Protestantism so that makes sense the fricking prestige is not the fricking same.
Idk much enough
about português literature 
to say whether the fricking translation is fricking as beautiful 
or poetic.
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There are good modern translations just like in English. The new translations focus more on textual accuracy to the original sources.
In 1920 71% of !macacos were illiterate, so yeah, Bible reading culture was not widespread historically speaking because they couldn't read it even if they wanted to. Even nowadays the evangelicals are the ones you'll find carrying their pocket Bibles quoting the scripture, not the catholics. That being said, most Br Catholics have a Bible at home which they'll occasionally read, I'm sure the most devout ones will do it often.
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Teaching scripture as literature
alone, yes
That's again a fricking failure
of parents to teach it at home as well. The fricking school 
could teach the fricking literary aspects or not all day long. That is fricking irrelevant. If it's not taught at home then it's a fricking moot point.
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Its been around way longer than 2000 years but yes it is important to everything
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By that logic you are better off teaching Homer's Odyssey at school and I am pretty sure schools already do that so adding in the bible as well becomes redundant. You also did not account for different denominations of bible readers then getting offended by which Christian sub groups bible is being taught in school.
The primary issue is that your reasoning works great with dead religions not live ones which make people sneed too much.
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I'm thinking
perfect 
world 
tbh. Teachers wouldn't get past step one of being neutral.
I don't think
the fricking Bible 
translation itself would 
be an issue. KJV is fricking well accepted. Even Catholics will read a fricking KJV it misses some dueterocannon Old Testament stuff but I don't see that being a fricking huge issue.
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You know what. It's a difference of opinion. I think the sneed will be too great. You don't. That's all there is to it.
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Oh the fricking sneed
would 
be great 
don't get me wrong. I just don't think 
the fricking translation used would 
be the fricking issue outside 
of some fringe cases. Mostly would 
be how it's taught imo
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Ah I agree with you then.
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roleplaying a hardcore christstrag interpreting the bible in a very leftist way would be a good troll actually
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So you wanna be the fricking average Methodist, b-word? !christians
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For the record
@PlatyNarca I actually posted on this and said essentially:
I don't really want atheist (or fundamentalist) public school teachers being the entry point to Scripture for children.
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I think
if school 
is the fricking jumping 
in point 
for Bible 
study 
you've already messed up bigly
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Round these parts we got a new religion.
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The government should definitely control your children's religion and should definitely enforce its official interpretation of religious scripture on them.
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Yes, your interpretation
is fricking misinformation
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!macacos os cornos-de-cristo empurram a Bíblia
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anyone who thinks infant baptism is valid must be kept away from children at all costs
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It's like you people want to stay a virgin forever
Snapshots:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/16/us/christians-bibles-public-schools-oklahoma-texas.html:
ghostarchive.org
archive.org
archive.ph (click to archive)
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https://www.bible.com/bible/70/EZK.23.20.GW
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