Yes, but that didn't matter for Bleem!. This absolutely would have helped reinforce those old rulings or help set a clear line in the sand for acknowledgement of an emulator's purpose.
The difference is those softwares required that you use a playstation disc, Yuzu can only load ROMs and more than that most people don't have a CD drive anymore. Also, bleem went out of business because of lawsuits...
It's hard to defend in court, I'd argue. Even if a person were to own an actual switch, the ROM could only be obtained illegally.
The final primary defense of Connectix, the playstation emulator, was literally that you still had to buy the game, so it was only competing for console sales, not game sales.
a device that is primarily designed to run a wide variety of programs rather than for consumption of a particular type of media content, is equipped with an operating system primarily designed for mobile use, and is intended to be carried or worn by an individual
sounds like a switch to me therefore jailbreakable legally
There are ways to dump ROMs. Obviously people aren't doing this but legally there is a case to be made. Problem is whether or not the dumping constitutes a DMCA violation by circumventing anti piracy measure.
Because that doesn't mean shit. Paid for emulators are perfectly legal. The problem is that Yuzu was apparently using stolen keys which is the big nono here.
No one own's a CD reader anymore, so the argument that existed back then doesn't work. Also dumping ROMs isn't necessarily legal, Bleemcast and Bleem could exist because they required the use of proper PS discs. Yuzu does not.
Yuzu also encourages, what is essentially illegal use of a development kit on their website.
I get what you mean but assuming the design to be clean room, the emulator itself would be legally fine. It seems that Yuzu devs weren't doing this and as such opened themselves up to a lawsuit.
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A legal precedent about emulation was set back during Sony vs. Connectix. You're allowed to compete with console sales, so long as you're not facilating piracy. Which Yuzu certainly was.
>The difference is those softwares required that you use a playstation disc, Yuzu can only load ROMs and more than that most people don't have a CD drive anymore. Also, bleem went out of business because of lawsuits...
No one cares because the emulator is 99% perfect. Like metroid dread had zero issues upon launch. Mario wonder only needed like 2 minor tweaks to run perfectly etc. Worst case scenario some nerds fix issues based on late builds that already exist.
Everyone who is against Yuzu in this situation on here is literally saying the exact same things as the unironic Nintendo soys on reddit but they'd never have the awareness to realise that.
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Fricking cowards. They absolutely had a case here, and they made enough noney to fight this...
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They were profiting off piracy bro
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Yes, but that didn't matter for Bleem!. This absolutely would have helped reinforce those old rulings or help set a clear line in the sand for acknowledgement of an emulator's purpose.
Instead they settled, what a shame.
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The difference is those softwares required that you use a playstation disc, Yuzu can only load ROMs and more than that most people don't have a CD drive anymore. Also, bleem went out of business because of lawsuits...
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Bleem also didn't have thousands of dollars a month in consistent revenue...
True, but this isn't one of the emulators that provides and roms or bios files. All that was byob, which could be legal if you have an og switch.
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It's hard to defend in court, I'd argue. Even if a person were to own an actual switch, the ROM could only be obtained illegally.
The final primary defense of Connectix, the playstation emulator, was literally that you still had to buy the game, so it was only competing for console sales, not game sales.
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sounds like a switch to me therefore jailbreakable legally
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Switch only for games though.
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There are ways to dump ROMs. Obviously people aren't doing this but legally there is a case to be made. Problem is whether or not the dumping constitutes a DMCA violation by circumventing anti piracy measure.
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True but Yuzu itself isn't anything. It's like saying a DVD player can be used to facilitate piracy since it can read burned discs.
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Why do you keep ignoring the profiteering?
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Because that doesn't mean shit. Paid for emulators are perfectly legal. The problem is that Yuzu was apparently using stolen keys which is the big nono here.
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No one own's a CD reader anymore, so the argument that existed back then doesn't work. Also dumping ROMs isn't necessarily legal, Bleemcast and Bleem could exist because they required the use of proper PS discs. Yuzu does not.
Yuzu also encourages, what is essentially illegal use of a development kit on their website.
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I'm not saying the Yuzu devs aren't r-slurs. I never liked them for hiding builds behind patreon paywalls. Ryujinx supremacy.
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I added a bit more to my comment.
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I get what you mean but assuming the design to be clean room, the emulator itself would be legally fine. It seems that Yuzu devs weren't doing this and as such opened themselves up to a lawsuit.
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Nintend-BIPOCs at it again!
Also it was really dumb of Yuzu to run it through a business and be traceable.
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Thankfully Ryu is based in Brazil so Nintendo can't get they Jap hands on it.
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We famously don't have judges or lawyers here
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Temos que colocar um dramatard no congresso
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Conheça o novo simbolo da ultra extrema-direita: gatos alaranjados
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Nice, Brazilian supremacy reigns true
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I'm going to kill myself
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Just clone the repo jfc
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Nintendo Ninjas don't frick around. Luckily yuzu was open source so someone else will pick it up
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Neighbors dead forever
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i think i have citra on my steam deck but never used it
i was gonna maybe put a switch emulator on it, even though i actually own a switch, but i guess i'll never be able to emulate switch games
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how boring, so much drama potential there just gone
at least theres cope
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Nintendo was nice enough to wait until the end of the switches lifecycle. They could have easily done this in 2017.
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Citra is dead too
Shit
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Noooooooo unicorn overlord drops in a few daysssss but what if it has issuesszzz
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Ryujinxchads,
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I also keep coming back to the metaphor that Reddit is a great deal like Gormenghast: an ancient, stony fortification of cobbled-together structures, housing a gaggle of idiosyncratic personas whose lives are filled with the performances of abstruse rituals and obligations, the mandatory detritus of a former glory — insular and in a state of glacial decadence, and which nevertheless has a secondary community plastered on its boundary, with which it perfunctorily yet regularly interacts AND YET all of which exists within a much wider world that has largely diverged from it.
I think about the Tower of Flints.
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Yeah settling out of court has never affected future rulings
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A legal precedent about emulation was set back during Sony vs. Connectix. You're allowed to compete with console sales, so long as you're not facilating piracy. Which Yuzu certainly was.
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NAH UH THEY WAS GOOD BOYS WHO DINDU NUFFIN!!!
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Aren't all emulators basically faciliating piracy the same amount as long as they're not also supplying the ROMs?
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Yuzu had bios abd early release rims behind their patreon afaik
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https://rdrama.net/h/vidya/post/250785/yuzucels-marseyitsover-yuzu-pays-24m-to/6052342#context
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add /r/emulation's thread too, some good cope there
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If you read the court doc, you would know that none of the yuzu source can be used anymore by anyone without violating the judgement.
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No one cares because the emulator is 99% perfect. Like metroid dread had zero issues upon launch. Mario wonder only needed like 2 minor tweaks to run perfectly etc. Worst case scenario some nerds fix issues based on late builds that already exist.
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As long as its small enough nintendo is not gonna care. And the code is already out there its not like they can stop them yet
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Well good thing Ryujinx is stil out there.
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Yuzu was always destined to fail because of how they collected money. Ryujinx is just a single neurodivergent huehue.
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He's actually brazillian
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Cope
If Chinese could competently emulate switch we'd have knock off handheld already
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Everyone who is against Yuzu in this situation on here is literally saying the exact same things as the unironic Nintendo soys on reddit but they'd never have the awareness to realise that.
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Hmm, salient point from you. I'm impressed.
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