Everyone's talking about Ubisoft, but the real story here is the university professor who published his Yasuke novel as if it were historical research.
Edit: Also appearently there is some other guy (also Jewish mayo in Japan ) named Atkins saying that Japan imported African slaves through the silk road. I'll link it if I find anything in English. The whole thing is probably worth its own post.
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and here is my incapacity to check if peeps are lying to me, the language barrier is so profound I can only ever look at 2nd hand and 3rd level sources to check
a few week ago @FrozenChosen placed a AskHistorian link where the author, whom was a historian argued from his interpretation of raw sources that Yasuske was a samurai on a technicality
i was biased against this link from Chosen because I have seen AskHistorians behave dodgy in the past and have the believe that they are ideologically compromised, and distort the truth. I do however realize my own chud right-wing bias and concede my own mind would be too compromised to interpret essays against what i perceive
I tried to look into pretty much all of the sources from this link
But the language barrier is absolutely impenetrable to me. It means im at the mercy of whatever truth is espoused to me from people i have no faith in would tell me the truth.
Searching for alternative sources on the internet, google, firefox, showed me little and i wasn't about to make an extra obsessive effort after this. I also distrusted rightoids just as much - the reality could be that Yasuske was indeed in fact a fully fledged Samurai after all.
I mean shit i fear the bias from AskHistorians just as much as that of Wikipedia - like if you guys ever found that i had posted an article i had posted, linked via wikipedia, I'd retroactively tell you guys to fricking ignore whatever crap i had longposted about.
I can't speak specifically for Japanese because I don't speak it, but languages are constantly evolving either in terms of pronunciation, grammar or spelling.
Check for instance an excerpt from the Canterbury Tales, written in Middle English
Wepyng and waylyng, care and oother sorwe
I knowe ynogh, on even and a-morwe,'
Quod the Marchant, 'and so doon oother mo
That wedded been
Now compare it with a poem from the 16th century
Here's some "Galaico-Portugues" on the left, the language of Portugal and Galicia during the middle-ages before they diverged, on the right modern spanish.
I'm sure !macacos will be able to understand most of it even if it sounds weird, like a mix of Portuguese, galego and castillan.
And here's some Medieval Castillian
Feziese resembles portuguese "fizesse" but not modern spanish "hiciese", they also said "fijo" instead of "hijo" which resembles Portuguese "filho". The Iberian peninsula Languages were shaped into their modern forms in the 16th and 17th centuries.
Coincidentally this is why r-slurs that claim Tamil or Sanskrit are the oldest spoken languages are r-slurs, because they've evolved over time as well or died, Tamil just retained the name and a weird diglossic method where the language you speak isn't the same as what you write, as if we still made people write letters in classical latin.
Sanskrit is a dead language with no native speakers. Not like we don't know how to write in Mycenaean Greek or Linear A
Lmao this post is specially crafted to enrage Pahjeet nationalists who don't understand linguistics (or English) because they're bound to misunderstand what "dead language" actually means.
And yeah Tamil has been the same the whole time is crazy wrong, with the current language taking on a ton of Sanskrit vocabulary.
Who actually says that he wouldn't ever be considered a Samurai because he didn't have a surname or any kind of title. Also Yasuke is a peasant's name. And this guy supports Trump and Elon Musk as well as the LDP.
There are also some other guys talking about the sword he was given and how that would affect his social status and so on.
So it's essentially the same r-slurred spat that is going on in the west. "Samurai" as a social class wasn't all that neatly defined back in the sengoku period and we have less of a paragraph worth of historical sources on this neighbor so it's really just a matter of opinion tbh. Either he wasn't a Samurai or if he was he was on the lowest tier seems to be the rough consensus.
i was biased against this link from Chosen because I have seen AskHistorians behave dodgy in the past and have the believe that they are ideologically compromised, and distort the truth.
They are. Mods are worst peddlers of their versio of history. They regulary write off historians as bad sources just becouse they said something that made them uncomfortable.
Usually its something that made their neurodivergent obsesion country look bad. Like British empire.
I told you that Frozen was a slutty snowbunny bvilt for the most vantablack dark coal sub-saharan african BIPOC BBC but yxll did not listened to me because the truth angers you !frozentoesen
But the language barrier is absolutely impenetrable to me. It means im at the mercy of whatever truth is espoused to me from people i have no faith in would tell me the truth.
Then we fall back to weaker reasoning. Black people + Japan? Not a thing until recently (btw not welcoming). A black samurai? Unforgettable story! He would be noticed everywhere. Somehow the story didn't survive and now the Japanese are raising eyebrows.
Are we (whoever we are) in the position to reveal a part of medieval Japanese history they themselves weren't aware of? No, that's stupid, they are meticulous and wouldn't have missed Yosuke.
Use ChatGPT to figure this stuff out, it will answer every single question you wrote here. It takes a bit of effort on your behalf but it can completely solve the language barrier by allowing you to simply ask the questions you want to ask. The more stuff I read from you the less seriously I take your posts and the more I wonder why you keep suggesting shit left and right. Like seriously, you barely know anything about the world but you are absolutely full of dumb ideas and ridiculous hot takes. What the frick is this. The self aware 9gag repost bot surveyor is ALSO here to tell you why they have the correct takes on Geopolitics and shit fricking un believeable
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Why is it that they can't just make up one lie but have to pile loads of other even less believable stuff on top?
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Ye honestly you can't fault Ubishit for putting what they thought was historical fact into their historically based vidya. The fault lies in the foundation, that is, how one based professor got his AO3 fanfic to be regarded as history.
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Everyone's talking about Ubisoft, but the real story here is the university professor who published his Yasuke novel as if it were historical research.
Edit: Also appearently there is some other guy (also Jewish mayo in Japan
) named Atkins saying that Japan imported African slaves through the silk road. I'll link it if I find anything in English. The whole thing is probably worth its own post.
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link?
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Here
He also edited wikipedia and encyclopedia Brittanica citing himself as a source.
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and here is my incapacity to check if peeps are lying to me, the language barrier is so profound I can only ever look at 2nd hand and 3rd level sources to check
https://rdrama.net/post/280895/after-months-of-gruelling-debates-chuds/6630363#context
!africans !anticommunists !bookworms !britbongs !calvinists !dutch!friendsofcarp !germs !historychads
a few week ago
@FrozenChosen placed a AskHistorian link where the author, whom was a historian argued from his interpretation of raw sources that Yasuske was a samurai on a technicality
i was biased against this link from Chosen because I have seen AskHistorians behave dodgy in the past and have the believe that they are ideologically compromised, and distort the truth. I do however realize my own chud right-wing bias and concede my own mind would be too compromised to interpret essays against what i perceive
I tried to look into pretty much all of the sources from this link
https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1css0ye/was_yasuke_a_samurai/l4bghbu/?context=8
But the language barrier is absolutely impenetrable to me. It means im at the mercy of whatever truth is espoused to me from people i have no faith in would tell me the truth.
Searching for alternative sources on the internet, google, firefox, showed me little and i wasn't about to make an extra obsessive effort after this. I also distrusted rightoids just as much - the reality could be that Yasuske was indeed in fact a fully fledged Samurai after all.
I mean shit i fear the bias from AskHistorians just as much as that of Wikipedia - like if you guys ever found that i had posted an article i had posted, linked via wikipedia, I'd retroactively tell you guys to fricking ignore whatever crap i had longposted about.
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Worth mentioning 16th century Japanese is not the same as today and historical context is required to make an accurate translation.
!classics !ifrickinglovescience we need a !linguistics for us multilingual chads
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whenever they wrote person they meant BIPOCs
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I can't speak specifically for Japanese because I don't speak it, but languages are constantly evolving either in terms of pronunciation, grammar or spelling.
Check for instance an excerpt from the Canterbury Tales, written in Middle English
Now compare it with a poem from the 16th century
Here's some "Galaico-Portugues" on the left, the language of Portugal and Galicia during the middle-ages before they diverged, on the right modern spanish.
I'm sure !macacos will be able to understand most of it even if it sounds weird, like a mix of Portuguese, galego and castillan.
And here's some Medieval Castillian
Feziese resembles portuguese "fizesse" but not modern spanish "hiciese", they also said "fijo" instead of "hijo" which resembles Portuguese "filho". The Iberian peninsula Languages were shaped into their modern forms in the 16th and 17th centuries.
!historychads !latinx
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Coincidentally this is why r-slurs that claim Tamil or Sanskrit are the oldest spoken languages are r-slurs, because they've evolved over time as well or died, Tamil just retained the name and a weird diglossic method where the language you speak isn't the same as what you write, as if we still made people write letters in classical latin.
Sanskrit is a dead language with no native speakers. Not like we don't know how to write in Mycenaean Greek or Linear A
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Lmao this post is specially crafted to enrage Pahjeet nationalists who don't understand linguistics (or English) because they're bound to misunderstand what "dead language" actually means.
And yeah Tamil has been the same the whole time is crazy wrong, with the current language taking on a ton of Sanskrit vocabulary.
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Wow, i really appreciate that. I'll go back and make sure i never accidentally read anything you posted
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If it's any consolation to you it's not like there's any less bias even if you were able to read Japanese
There's this guy who is making essentially the same argument than the guy from AskHistorians:
https://x.com/HIRAYAMAYUUKAIN/status/1814356500326035650
He then mentions that this is just, like, his opinion man:
https://x.com/HIRAYAMAYUUKAIN/status/1814531609397231891
Unsurprisingly he seems to be associated with the JCP. He actually seems to be a real Sengoku period historian.
Then there's this neighbor right here:
https://x.com/ikedanob/status/1814603567346463191
Who actually says that he wouldn't ever be considered a Samurai because he didn't have a surname or any kind of title. Also Yasuke is a peasant's name. And this guy supports Trump and Elon Musk as well as the LDP.
They started fighting each other:
https://x.com/HIRAYAMAYUUKAIN/status/1814605385833324711
There are also some other guys talking about the sword he was given and how that would affect his social status and so on.
So it's essentially the same r-slurred spat that is going on in the west. "Samurai" as a social class wasn't all that neatly defined back in the sengoku period and we have less of a paragraph worth of historical sources on this neighbor so it's really just a matter of opinion tbh. Either he wasn't a Samurai or if he was he was on the lowest tier seems to be the rough consensus.
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Japanese Historian says he was totes a Samurai.
https://x.com/HIRAYAMAYUUKAIN/status/1814356500326035650
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They are. Mods are worst peddlers of their versio of history. They regulary write off historians as bad sources just becouse they said something that made them uncomfortable.
Usually its something that made their neurodivergent obsesion country look bad. Like British empire.
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I can't speak japanese but using google tanslate I can tell it's being talked about on the japanese internet.
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!frozentoesen She was thinking about big black schlongs again
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I told you that Frozen was a slutty snowbunny bvilt for the most vantablack dark coal sub-saharan african BIPOC BBC but yxll did not listened to me because the truth angers you
!frozentoesen
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Then we fall back to weaker reasoning. Black people + Japan? Not a thing until recently (btw not welcoming). A black samurai? Unforgettable story! He would be noticed everywhere. Somehow the story didn't survive and now the Japanese are raising eyebrows.
Are we (whoever we are) in the position to reveal a part of medieval Japanese history they themselves weren't aware of? No, that's stupid, they are meticulous and wouldn't have missed Yosuke.
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Use ChatGPT to figure this stuff out, it will answer every single question you wrote here. It takes a bit of effort on your behalf but it can completely solve the language barrier by allowing you to simply ask the questions you want to ask. The more stuff I read from you the less seriously I take your posts and the more I wonder why you keep suggesting shit left and right. Like seriously, you barely know anything about the world but you are absolutely full of dumb ideas and ridiculous hot takes. What the frick is this. The self aware 9gag repost bot surveyor is ALSO here to tell you why they have the correct takes on Geopolitics and shit fricking un believeable
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he wrote that yasuke blasted nobunaga's butt and was his closest lover, literally made up out of nothing lmao
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Why is it that they can't just make up one lie but have to pile loads of other even less believable stuff on top?
It's like that class we did on the holocaust
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literally a coombrained female fanfiction writer![:chadwomannordic: :chadwomannordic:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/chadwomannordic.webp)
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If he wanted gay fanfiction, at least he could have made it believable by buck breaking yasuke
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Yet another "Asian bottom" stereotype
when will we learn
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Lol the Japs are already worrying about this.
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Ye honestly you can't fault Ubishit for putting what they thought was historical fact into their historically based vidya. The fault lies in the foundation, that is, how one based professor got his AO3 fanfic to be regarded as history.
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