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Everyone's talking about Ubisoft, but the real story here is the university professor who published his Yasuke novel as if it were historical research.

Edit: Also appearently there is some other guy (also Jewish mayo in Japan :marseyrofl:) named Atkins saying that Japan imported African slaves through the silk road. I'll link it if I find anything in English. The whole thing is probably worth its own post.

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link?

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Here

He also edited wikipedia and encyclopedia Brittanica citing himself as a source.

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and here is my incapacity to check if peeps are lying to me, the language barrier is so profound I can only ever look at 2nd hand and 3rd level sources to check

https://rdrama.net/post/280895/after-months-of-gruelling-debates-chuds/6630363#context

!africans !anticommunists !bookworms !britbongs !calvinists !dutch!friendsofcarp !germs !historychads

a few week ago @FrozenChosen placed a AskHistorian link where the author, whom was a historian argued from his interpretation of raw sources that Yasuske was a samurai on a technicality

i was biased against this link from Chosen because I have seen AskHistorians behave dodgy in the past and have the believe that they are ideologically compromised, and distort the truth. I do however realize my own chud right-wing bias and concede my own mind would be too compromised to interpret essays against what i perceive

I tried to look into pretty much all of the sources from this link

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1css0ye/was_yasuke_a_samurai/l4bghbu/?context=8

But the language barrier is absolutely impenetrable to me. It means im at the mercy of whatever truth is espoused to me from people i have no faith in would tell me the truth.

Searching for alternative sources on the internet, google, firefox, showed me little and i wasn't about to make an extra obsessive effort after this. I also distrusted rightoids just as much - the reality could be that Yasuske was indeed in fact a fully fledged Samurai after all.

I mean shit i fear the bias from AskHistorians just as much as that of Wikipedia - like if you guys ever found that i had posted an article i had posted, linked via wikipedia, I'd retroactively tell you guys to fricking ignore whatever crap i had longposted about.

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Wow, i really appreciate that. I'll go back and make sure i never accidentally read anything you posted

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:marseyexcited:

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If it's any consolation to you it's not like there's any less bias even if you were able to read Japanese

There's this guy who is making essentially the same argument than the guy from AskHistorians:

https://twitter.com/HIRAYAMAYUUKAIN/status/1814356500326035650

He then mentions that this is just, like, his opinion man:

https://twitter.com/HIRAYAMAYUUKAIN/status/1814531609397231891

Unsurprisingly he seems to be associated with the JCP. He actually seems to be a real Sengoku period historian.

Then there's this neighbor right here:

https://twitter.com/ikedanob/status/1814603567346463191

Who actually says that he wouldn't ever be considered a Samurai because he didn't have a surname or any kind of title. Also Yasuke is a peasant's name. And this guy supports Trump and Elon Musk as well as the LDP.

They started fighting each other:

https://twitter.com/HIRAYAMAYUUKAIN/status/1814605385833324711

There are also some other guys talking about the sword he was given and how that would affect his social status and so on.

So it's essentially the same r-slurred spat that is going on in the west. "Samurai" as a social class wasn't all that neatly defined back in the sengoku period and we have less of a paragraph worth of historical sources on this neighbor so it's really just a matter of opinion tbh. Either he wasn't a Samurai or if he was he was on the lowest tier seems to be the rough consensus.

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Worth mentioning 16th century Japanese is not the same as today and historical context is required to make an accurate translation.

!classics !ifrickinglovescience we need a !linguistics for us multilingual chads

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Worth mentioning 16th century Japanese is not the same as today and historical context is required to make an accurate translation.

Tell us more!

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I can't speak specifically for Japanese because I don't speak it, but languages are constantly evolving either in terms of pronunciation, grammar or spelling.

Check for instance an excerpt from the Canterbury Tales, written in Middle English

Wepyng and waylyng, care and oother sorwe

I knowe ynogh, on even and a-morwe,'

Quod the Marchant, 'and so doon oother mo

That wedded been

Now compare it with a poem from the 16th century

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17217505866269507.webp

Here's some "Galaico-Portugues" on the left, the language of Portugal and Galicia during the middle-ages before they diverged, on the right modern spanish.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1721750586813961.webp

I'm sure !macacos will be able to understand most of it even if it sounds weird, like a mix of Portuguese, galego and castillan.

And here's some Medieval Castillian

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17217505870510063.webp

Feziese resembles portuguese "fizesse" but not modern spanish "hiciese", they also said "fijo" instead of "hijo" which resembles Portuguese "filho". The Iberian peninsula Languages were shaped into their modern forms in the 16th and 17th centuries.

!historychads !latinx

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Coincidentally this is why r-slurs that claim Tamil or Sanskrit are the oldest spoken languages are r-slurs, because they've evolved over time as well or died, Tamil just retained the name and a weird diglossic method where the language you speak isn't the same as what you write, as if we still made people write letters in classical latin.

Sanskrit is a dead language with no native speakers. Not like we don't know how to write in Mycenaean Greek or Linear A

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Lmao this post is specially crafted to enrage Pahjeet nationalists who don't understand linguistics (or English) because they're bound to misunderstand what "dead language" actually means.

And yeah Tamil has been the same the whole time is crazy wrong, with the current language taking on a ton of Sanskrit vocabulary.

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Middle :marseyfrickyou: english :marseybong: is so much fun.


:!marseybarrel: :marseybarreldrunk:

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whenever they wrote person they meant BIPOCs

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Japanese Historian says he was totes a Samurai.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17217494860380077.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17217494861694608.webp

https://twitter.com/HIRAYAMAYUUKAIN/status/1814356500326035650

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i was biased against this link from Chosen because I have seen AskHistorians behave dodgy in the past and have the believe that they are ideologically compromised, and distort the truth.

They are. Mods are worst peddlers of their versio of history. They regulary write off historians as bad sources just becouse they said something that made them uncomfortable.

Usually its something that made their neurodivergent obsesion country look bad. Like British empire.

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I can't speak japanese but using google tanslate I can tell it's being talked about on the japanese internet.

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!frozentoesen She was thinking about big black schlongs again

:#marseysurejan:

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I told you that Frozen was a slutty snowbunny bvilt for the most vantablack dark coal sub-saharan african BIPOC BBC but yxll did not listened to me because the truth angers you :hesrightyouknow: !frozentoesen

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@FrozenChosen you have 7 days to retain your !frozentoesen mod slot

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use google :marseygetgle: translate

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But the language barrier is absolutely impenetrable to me. It means im at the mercy of whatever truth is espoused to me from people i have no faith in would tell me the truth.

Then we fall back to weaker reasoning. Black people + Japan? Not a thing until recently (btw not welcoming). A black samurai? Unforgettable story! He would be noticed everywhere. Somehow the story didn't survive and now the Japanese are raising eyebrows.

Are we (whoever we are) in the position to reveal a part of medieval Japanese history they themselves weren't aware of? No, that's stupid, they are meticulous and wouldn't have missed Yosuke.

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Use ChatGPT to figure this stuff out, it will answer every single question you wrote here. It takes a bit of effort on your behalf but it can completely solve the language barrier by allowing you to simply ask the questions you want to ask. The more stuff I read from you the less seriously I take your posts and the more I wonder why you keep suggesting shit left and right. Like seriously, you barely know anything about the world but you are absolutely full of dumb ideas and ridiculous hot takes. What the frick is this. The self aware 9gag repost bot surveyor is ALSO here to tell you why they have the correct takes on Geopolitics and shit fricking un believeable

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he wrote that yasuke blasted nobunaga's butt and was his closest lover, literally made up out of nothing lmao

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Why is it that they can't just make up one lie but have to pile loads of other even less believable stuff on top?

It's like that class we did on the holocaust

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literally a coombrained female fanfiction writer :chadwomannordic:

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If he wanted gay fanfiction, at least he could have made it believable by buck breaking yasuke

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Yet another "Asian bottom" stereotype :smh#: when will we learn

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Ye honestly you can't fault Ubishit for putting what they thought was historical fact into their historically based vidya. The fault lies in the foundation, that is, how one based professor got his AO3 fanfic to be regarded as history.

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what they thought was historical fact into their historically based vidya

Ubisoft has never cared about historical fact and their games are just shitlib propaganda forced into historical contexts. The first Assassin's Creed game literally has gun control propaganda in it (some weird plotline about a guy selling weapons causing wars and owning weapons being immoral lmao) and in the third Ezio game everypony is talking about how great the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople was because of how enlightened Islam is.

black lives matter

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Japan imported African slaves through the silk road

Lol the Japs are already worrying about this.

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butt cred games are great when you get them for less than 10 dollars during a steam sale. I recently picked up odyssey. I picked the male character and it's 10x easier to have gay s*x than it is to have s*x with a woman. I was astounded by the realism. Sad they abandoned it for this upcoming entry.

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Do you ever like assassinate people or do you just have gay s*x

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He pozzes their neg holes which is the same thing

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sometimes. It can be weirdly hard to assassinate people because of game mechanics, especially during the early levels. I'd say I'm like 60-70% through right now and combat falls into a pattern of:

>try to play as assassin but can't really assassinate the elite enemies

>get spotted or otherwise forced into direct confrontation

>use sweep move to damage big enemy

>retreat and start shooting with infinite bow until sweep move comes off cooldown

>random bounty hunter joins fight

>sweep big enemy again

>repeat until I win

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It's barely a stealth game since your sneaky attack isn't a guaranteed kill, but I really enjoyed cranking the difficulty up all the way so it became an actual challenge. You die in a few hits and you really have to consider your equipment load out for the situation on the hardest difficulty.

Plus Alexios is such a dope, I love him

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Assasins creed odyssey is the first one where they dropped the stealth part of the game and decided to induct the protagonists into the Jedi order from the start

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my problem with games isn't that they're too expensive … as a wager i have no time to play them 😭😭😭

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yasuke is an actual historical figure in Japanese culture. its crazy to me that people like you genuinely believe that the game is worse off just because it has a black man in it.

he's an actual historical figure sweaty. what, you want a source? bigot

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this is worse than when people maligned the 1619 project for correctly pointing out that Black people founded America over 100 years before the crackers got around to it. It was even in the newspaper and people stil had rhe audacity to try and discredit its truthful and needed message.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1619_Project

https://media.giphy.com/media/Kl9iAWej2mxlzvzp2O/giphy.webp

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Um sweaty liking history is a red flag the only history you should read should be written by ideologues who don't study history and write current narratives with a loose relationship to historical fact

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The blackpill is accepting this is true of all accounts of history. Especially accounts written during the era in question

Heroes are made up.

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Once everybody alive during a given period of time is dead the historical records might as well be fiction. I bet the US has existed as a polity for thousands of years and the whole American Revolution mythos was made up to serve some political convenience a century or two ago.

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Omw to make a game about Hellen Keller the parkour enthusiast. She was a very important historical :marseyhwacha: figure :marseypop:

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Hellen Keller game, it's just Mirror's Edge but with the screen turned off

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Genuinely a good idea. She learned how to communicate, she might have learned how to do mad tricks. No Prob. #empowerment

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>erm this women's armor isnt historical accurate change it

>wait you want historical accuracy? This one guy was totes le hecking epic samurai and not some janitor

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Yes the armed man in the personal retinue of a warlord, carried said warlords personal weapons in an era where it was illegal for peasants to hold swords, and had a house given to him by said warlord, and was paid a samurai's salary by said warlord, was totes a janitor

And not, at the very least, ceremonially and formally treated as a samurai.

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>was paid a salary

Definitive proof he wasn't a janny

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it wasn't full size sword and traders could have swords, he carried his weappns, which is definitely prestigious, but not a samurai

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!historychads clarifying info here

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He was the warlord's personal buck

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Factcheck: This claim is 100% true.

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/17217424498337789.webp

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Call me a redditor :marseyindignant:, but I don't understand why it's this game which is breaking DEI's back when the Yasuke character history/legend seem perfectly fitting for an AC game

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i think if they just straight up ignored history to cuck chuds and straight up said, we dont care about history, we just wanted to make AssCreed: Afro Samurai, they would have sailed through

but past month both Ubisoft and shitlibs have distorted truth to reach that Cleopatra documentary levels of fraud

i myself don't know how important the Real life Yasuske actually was, but when real life history is seemingly blatantly being distorted to fiction, i believe this may rub peeps askew

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Yeah it's the rewriting history stuff people are sneeding over, if old AC games had people editing wikipedia to say that leonardo da vinci used to love making super mario references because it was in assassin's creed people would have been mad then too

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They also had educational mode where that added females to the Greek pottery because it wasn't diverse enough… in education mode.

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I remember noticing somebody edited Alexander VI's cause of death many years before.

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I only played the AC that takes place in Italy, but It felt like they put effort in to making the world feel sorta realistic, but the characters were basically anything goes.

I hadn't seen other comments from Ubisoft, but if they were saying it's super historical, maybe the outrage makes more sense

I think if this came out like 5 yrs ago, even the chuds would have liked the idea

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I definitely think a lot of it is chuds growing impatient with anything which even looks like DEI. They're automatically going to assume that the devs' thought process was "we're in Japan. How do we fit a Black guy into this?", even if they once would have accepted Yasuke as an interesting figure.

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They're automatically going to assume that the devs' thought process was "we're in Japan. How do we fit a Black guy into this?"

To be fair, these are AAA game devs in 2024. There's a 95% chance they were thinking that.

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Given this games development cycle it's highly likely that the devs decided on Yasuke as a main character in 2020 because of BLM, so unironically they probably did think "how can we add a black guy to this to show our support to black lives".

I totally understand how thinking that sounds chuddy. I work in the games industry though and am surrounded by DEI ideologues( lib mayos) and one of the things that becomes clear the more you talk to them is that they really see the world as only having two races, white and black. Latinx, and Asians are a secondary thought to them when it comes to representation and "equity".

DEI is supposedly covering everyone from every walk of life but in practice it's really just about adding more black representation at the expense of everyone else to try and soothe liberal white people's racial guilt and self hatred for living in the US or a successful western country with a colonial past.

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I think that may be true for western chuds, but Japs are shockingly racist and not shy about it. I'm too lazy to translate things but I'd pretty much expect a lot of "why is there a fricking BIPOC in my video game?"-type sentiments from them.

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But when you start any assassins games first massage you get is that this is work of fiction. They also told they were inspired by history. They only giving that game free publicity, with how much publicity that game got and even if it would be total shit it would put decent amount of sales figures

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Mainly because there isn't an asian man option. Yasuke should have been an unlockable bonus character or a dlc or something and things would have been fine. But the fact that Ubisoft put more work into shoving a black man in ancient Japan than an actual japanese guy is just ridiculous even for some normies.

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It's just realistic

Nobody wants Asian men in dating

Nobody wants Asian men in video games

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>Nobody wants Asian men in dating

>Nobody wants Asian men in video games

:#hesrightyouknow:

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Definitely true :marseyagree: And this is why incels are sperging out, they know nobody wants them either :marseyblops2celgenocide:

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I think it's chuds seizing their moment. Yasuke would be defensible, but he feels strikingly out of place in Sengoku Japan. So the game smells like DEI even if the devs genuinely thought Yasuke was an interesting choice. And this time white chuds who have a bone to pick with DEI can be backed up by Asians and Japanese people who feel less guilt about slavery than mayos and are less inclined to roll over in submission.

It also doesn't help that AC fans were calling for a Japanese AC for years and were clearly imagining creeping around as a ninja. Ubisoft's marketing might have been able to save themselves here by focusing on Naoe more but she's unfortunately very non-descript next to Yasuke.

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I think part of the assassin creed appeal is blending into a crowd, which in confucian medieval Japan is kinda impossible for a black foreigner and (to a lesser extent) a woman ninja

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Bastardizing historical figures to make everyone on the side of assassins or templars is AC's whole thing. This really is nothing other than permanently online r-slurs mad that a black man exists and the company using the seethe to generate marketing. They would've been pissed about the woman too mowing down waves of male enemies but racism trumps sexism.

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Yasuke would perfectly fit as an NPC in the game like Michaelangelo or Alfred the Great were in past AC games. This lets them be more historically accurate while the crazy made-up stuff is mostly done by the made-up character.

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This isn't breaking DEI lmao 🤣 this is only happening because another DEI faction (Asians) are upset.

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I heard them say that they picked Yasuke just because they liked the idea of an outsider introduced to feudal Japan as an exotic new environment (like the player, probably) and that actually completely makes sense to me :shrug:

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When they say shit like that, they're lying.

If they do an AC game in Africa the protaganist(s) will be black with no exceptions. None of this "we wanted to introduce players to the culture through a foreigners eyes". Because it turns out, making a game in Africa and then replacing an African protagonist with someone who is not Black is deeply offensive and racist in their eyes.

It's just when it's a different region or race of the world it's (DEI)fferent for some reason.

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Here's a real unpopular opinion: Take out the Witcher esque rpg crap :marseysmug2:

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Unpopular?

:#marseyconfused:


:#marseydisintegrate: :!#marseyflamewar::space::!marseyagree:

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everybody collect links plz

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Why? That's your job, you made the post. I swear these newgens get lazier and lazier every fricking year.

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kaamrev really ought to put more effort into his posts :marseyclueless:

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Why so much drama because of a Kang samurai? Is not like Assassins Creed is some beacon of historical accuracy and at least there's the possibility the 16th century Kang in Japan was a Samurai, which is more accurate than their cartoonish albeit fun portrayal of the Borgias. The ancient Egypt and ancient Greece settings are very well researched though.

!historychads

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/ It's because while they are obviously telling fictional stories, they do present themselves as having historically accurate context for those stories. The real figures used are doing what those real figures did, for example. Besides that, I think everyone knows the reason they chose Yasuke is *because* he's black. There are countless notable and legendary feudal Japanese figures they could use to tell their feudal Japanese story, but they chose Yasuke because that's just what you do as a group of white western leftoid gamedevcels. It's forced, and that makes it feel fake and gay. At least, that's the argument I heard Asmongold say. I don't actually play any Assshit games so I wouldn't know if this is true or not.
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I think it shows how little respect that US/the West in general has for the heritage of non-European countries. Call me a :chudjakasian: but people who do this know exactly they can hide behind the "any criticism against putting random black people in it means you're a :chudspin:" argument.

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But Ubisoft is French :#marseydeux:

They're the most BLACKED country of Europe though :marseynoooticer:

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>They're the most BLACKED country of Europe though

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17217560535516968.webp !soyteens !nooticers !BIPOCs

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if you read the color scale it doesn't say that serbs actively preferred darkies, just that they disliked them less. they're too busy being racist against albanians to bother with anyone else.

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yeah its like mistaking the nazis for not hating africans because they had some inconsequential black regiments and were too busy genociding jews and gypsies at that moment in time

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and planning to eventually genocide poles while skimming off the most aryan-looking ones for assimilation.

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:#marseysquint: https://i.rdrama.net/images/17217562044924362.webp

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Ubisoft published the Division but the dev team behind the game is Massive Entertainment and is from Sweden.

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:#marseysquint: https://i.rdrama.net/images/17217627829885988.webp

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Looking at the team who made the game made me thought it's one of those US developers.

But I don't really give a frick about gaming at the end of the day.

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Yes but the dev team has always been canucks. TCD.

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:#marseysamurai: 🤝 :#marseyhotep:

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It's mainly being done by Japanese g*mers (Japonica chuds are already some of the most depressed inkwells on earth) whose main point of grievance seems to be "my culture is being corrupted by westerners who don't know the history behind it"...I think Japan's case is very interesting because normally they are very pro to at the worst, meh to mayos retelling some of their stories...

Even 47 Ronin from just a decade ago :marseyrope: was seen as frick ugly by japan bros but they just gave it a negative review, told others to not watch it and forgot about it.

But over the last few years they have learnt and mastered the ways of the western chuds on how to seethe against corpos and cancel culture etc. Finally their time has arrived to step into the chud-light and let off some of that pent up seethe (instead of releasing some semen into their women and having kids as their great sensei Abe wanted).

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:#chudrage:

You know exactly why. None of these same people here would be raging about a white guy :marseyblops2chadcel:ing it up. Also Last Samurai is kino I don't know or care if it's particularly historically accurate.

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Why so much drama :marseypopcarp: because of a Kang samurai?

:#chudspin:

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NOOO! MY VIDEO GAME WITH TIME TRAVEL MUST BE REALISTIC

:chudragetalking:

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They're on par with anything Philippa Gregory wrote

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To add to all the other stuff people are saying, Americans :marseyamericanpearlclutch: really :marseythinkorino2: don't realise that America :marseyliberty: is one of the least racist :marseyblackface: countries in the world :marseyww1british2: lol

Some crazy :marseytinfoil3: morons believe :marseyparappa: that Palestinian lives matter

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Beyond :chudseethe: , I remember a lot of people wanting an AC game set in Japan for like a decade now. When it's finally coming out, the main character they parade around being black just feels like they're taking the piss :marseyxd:

It's the same with open world racing games like Forza, or NFS - people are crying for one set in Japan for a looong time, if they finally made one but only included US made cars, people would mald.

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