https://x.com/TilFolkvang/status/1848789260167434348
I wasn't really gonna say anything because I haven't actually played HoI4 in nearly three years so it's kind of off my radar, but as a Person Whomst Talks About Grand Strategy As A Job, I really don't like the "evil is cool" tone of the Götterdämmerung marketing. pic.twitter.com/mavpUIIyKr
— Len (@TilFolkvang) October 22, 2024
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The game gets out of it's way to not show any religious Hindu symbols, and the germans in the trailer are actually Imperial germans from the reformed Monarchist germany, but still use very clear nazi aesthetic. Its weird thing, where they don't show the no-no-germans, but show what we clearly associate with them but under a different flag. Limp-wristed half measure from people afraid to commit.
Anyway, Evil is often cool, but that's fine because most people know that evil is evil. Journos are not people though, so this is a expected take from one of their kind.
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But the game itself has Nazi symbolism right? So do they just take it out of trailers so it can legally be marketed in all territories or something?
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It does not. Nazi's in game use Iron crosses, no Swastika in sight.
Hitler's picture in the game is the peak of its nazi aesthetic.
Also, funnily enough with this new DLC they are giving him a giant Iron Cross too, for some reason.
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Ahh ok my brain
just mentally 
swapped it out I never 
looked that closely
It's odd to me they even have portraits for real people at all then. It's okay to be Hitler
and Goebbels slaughtering their way through Europe 
as long as the flag is changed lmao
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Wanna join !hoi4?
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Play black ice nibbas
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It's on the list already
Go play dramatic multiplayer mod though
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3311590421
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I've played like 20 hours and I don't know if it's fun and I've never
finished 
a game and I don't know what I'm doing but maybe 
that's the true authentic historical 
leader 
experience
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You'll never know if it's fun if you don't try
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So, you probably reached my level already.
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It's so that they don't get ya'll'd in Germany. Only art can have depictions of Nazi imagery and it's debatable on whether or not games are art and I doubt PDX wants to be the ones to try and litigate it. Though in Germany they also go one step further and black out Hitler's picture as well but I presume doing that which is two portraits is easier than changing every flag reference so just set the flags once to something PC.
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The way hoi4 does it just by having a DLC that replaces the vanilla blacked out portrait. So to replace every flag they would have to make a second version of all focus tree icons and include it in the DLC
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They remove the iron cross
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Game is saved, praise Paradox, I'm now going to buy this DLC on day one.
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Straight up commieshit in my game, cool and based
Vague nazishit, HELP THEY'RE COURTING THE WEHRABOOS
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As a former gommie (I know) this really pisses me off
I think the Iron Curtain was so influential that too many sympathisers are hanging around Europe nowadays, even though it killed more people than Nazism. Whereas Nazism only lasted 12 years (not a slave).
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!anticommunists commies get free pass by westoids who have never experienced socialism
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!codecels
It got jannied before I could do a proper write up but there was Lobste.rs thread where a Polish guy was trying to set the record straight about free market economies after being under Socialist rule. Quite the breath of fresh air for all the unironic commie posting.
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I mean not all economies had it the way the poles were able to switch. Whereas the Poles slowly decapitalized over the period of 10 years, other countries tried doing it overnight, resulting in the oligarchs and just horrible times that was eastern europe in the 90's
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I don't think the Slavic brain can build a functional society, so the jury is still out on if it could've gone better.
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Not a commie but the fact that it killed more than Nazism might come down to the length of time, r-slur.
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Most of the deaths were in the same time frame as nazism though
Nazism killed 12 million over it's entire existence, which we know very precisely, Stalin by that point had already killed (in accordance with lower end estimates) 20 million. Mao, killed somewhere in the range of 60-100 million in a 27 year period, only a period twice as long as the nazi tenure, and without waging a global war where you were collection POWs simultaneously.
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12 million? That's just not true lol. 24 million Soviet deaths, 5 million Pole deaths, and if you're going to count all the deaths of Stalin you might as well count all the deaths of Germans due to WW2, so 8 million. That's around about 37 million?
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That's not counting war casualties lmao, 12 million is the amount systematically killed. We know this because the germs kept count. 20 million isn't counting war casualties either. atleast not to my knowledege, and as I said it's actually on the lower end of estimates.
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He didn't systematically kill them though, high end of people Stalin intentionally had killed is like 5 million at the very very high end. The rest of that is from famines and deaths of people from removements (not systemic, accidental). Though you can make an argument (one I disagree with) that the famines were intentional, they weren't intentional and systemic in how they killed people, certainly not any more the Nazi's famines. It's hard to get to a 20 million death figure with Stalin without the Nazi's also reaching higher with similar degrees of blame.
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and the nazi famines were recorded by them in the 12 million death toll. The 12 million, are specifically civilian deaths as part of the programs exercised by the national socialist government, most of the camps were very similar to gulags. But a few were actually for killing. But many still died in the work camps, just like millions died in gulags during forced labour, food shortages or purges.
A large part of the 12 million died in transit too, most of them going to workers camps, sending workers to death projects or even just camps with little food, even if is "without intention", is certainly a systemic death. Many such deaths occured under stalinist russia, not just the holodomor.
20 million is in line with the civilian atrocities commited under stalinist russia. The 12 million is what the nazis themselves recorded with great precision.
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Again agreed. Holodomor is real neighbor shit. I'm saying however that give 1944-45 Germany another 3 years before downfall and those numbers are going up, so don't be a cute twink.
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Germany doesn't have a commie path btw !commenters
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I mean, they do. Communism is when your country is run by the Jews.
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!anticommunists
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"Hey, don't call me a nazi
, I'm a communist."- Hitler
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Do we know if that will change with this DLC?
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No that's what I'm saying, there's no commie tree
They've shown the tree, and in the initial announcement there was no mention of communism
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Well,
you said it in present tense, so I was in the right to assume you were speaking of the current german tree that too has no commie path.
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The new focus tree has presently been revealed
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I'm playing Brutal Doom II at the moment, and the secret Nazi levels have been scrubbed of all Nazi imagery.
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And they all have a nice big butt trans flag on the wall in the room with the Nazi flag
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Trans prople are like Nazis???
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No. Trans people are like Jews.
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so you're just killing germans?
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Based either way
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Don't let them know about half life 2
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Isn't that just one model?
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Why do people even put this up as a like moral quandrary or something? They did the same for the half life games and so on and yet people go "NOOO YOU CAN'T LOOK AT GORE FOR WORK NOO YOU'RE TRAUMATIZING YOURSELF".
Like screw off mate if I want to see people with their heads blown open and bones exposed I'm gonna do so regardless of anything you say.
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Reminds me but I think it's really funny how the doom modding community hates the brutal doom guy when he's probably the entire reason why people still care about classic doom.
I also find it kinda funny how people call him whiny for saying that id software ripped his ideas off for Doom 2016 but honestly he's not wrong. The modern rendition of doomguy is literally just an extrapolation of "wow, brutal doom was cool" made into a character.
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can you explain this to someone who barely played any of the games, sounds interesting
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Doom didn't have Duke Nukem style executions. Guy makes Brutal Doom mod that has these executions and makes it so enemies can have their limbs and whatnot blown off while overhauling the entire armoury.
NuDoom has executions and a redone classic armoury, like Brutal doom you replenish health from performing executions. The berserk powerup in Doom 2016 is basically the exact same as it is in Brutal Doom which was made years before doom 2016. Little similarities like that that stack up.
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Paradox still refuses to gives us the "commit the holocaust" button
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One day the Homocaust will be a reality.
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What's the military significance of the holocaust
They already have oppression
!commenters
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but the LARP
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also commanders 2v2, get on kkkord
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me with my commanders teammate
imma eating
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those are both good options
we can catch the dixie another time
ill be around 9pm dont pause your Soviet game
if no one else is around id like to see the vampire with tits
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What would a holocaust minigame even be mechanically. It'd be a slight resource sink and could maybe tie in with some kind of guerilla warfare DLC but on the strategic-operational level you play at it'd be hard to do anything fun with the Holocaust specifically.
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Single BIPOCs play too many larp mods and forget that HOI4 is a war game not a political game.
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Wdym if you want to overthrow democracy all you have to do is pick a fascist or communist advisor, wait 6 months, then do a referendum with more than 50% in support.
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That's literally a simplification of politics so you can get to warring though
Also r*pes your industry. Anyway, we're talking about actual countries here, not tibet
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They've spent so long trying to fix it that it became a new feature!
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So West Germany? Because that was kind of their whole thing.
"Wow, those Nazis sure were bad, huh? Unlike us current Germans, who are good. In fact, we're so good, we're gonna make up for what those guys did even though we had nothing to do with them." ~ Literally hundreds of West German politicians who had been members of the Nazi Party a decade or two earlier.
And before any !historychads start, I know Konrad Adenauer wasn't a former Nazi (though let's be real, that had more to do with them not wanting him than him not wanting them). But half the CDU were, up to and including Kurt Georg Kiesinger. Krauts' collective insistence otherwise is just one more reason to detest them.
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Lol, you still got it wrong
We simply didn't talk about the past like it didn't happen
Or if you're commie germ: "We wuz
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