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Men who belonged to unions their entire career made up to $1.3 million more on average than men who never joined one,Β according to new research.
Those belonging to unions made about $3.4 million from ages 20 to 64, compared to $2.1 million for those who were never union members. Cornell University's Industrial and Labor Relations (ILR) Review published the findings.
The study analyzed data from the Panel Study of Income Dynamics (PSID) from 1969 through 2019. The men studied had to be no older than 25 between 1969 and 1973.
The sample consists only of men because women earners are categorized as "spouse" in the PSID, and data on spouses only began being collected consistently in 1979, the researchers said.
Researchers calculated career earnings using total years employed, mean hours worked per year, and the mean hourly wage.
Men with no college degree who have been in a union at least half their career had expected earnings of $1.96 million by age 65, while those with no college degree who have never been in a union or been in one less than half of their career have projected earnings of about $1.5 million.
Inversely, people with college degrees who have been in a union for more than half their careers made less ($2.16 million) than those with college degrees who have never been in a union ($2.67 million), "likely because of the association of union membership and occupations worked," the study says.
Though, across the board, belonging to a union was associated with an increased probability of retiring at or before age 65.
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/13/1128626243/unions-career-earnings-study
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where are they gonna strike, outside their home? The company sold their office because no one was coming in
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Holy frick, legit big brain take, if the execs and engrs all wfh in different cities it will be incredibly hard to stroke against the company
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I got something hard you can stroke
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To my favourite executive
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As a software dev, these calls for a union always piss me off. It's always the shittiest developers pushing for it, because if you're actually good in this field, you make way above average. These failures are just trying to drag my compensation down to their level.
Thankfully it'll never happen because people like me exist and would never join.
I'll just say that if you can be replaced by some sexy Indian dude then you're not good at your job.
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I'm gonna laugh my fricking butt off when you get replaced by GPT-5 in 3 years, knowing that "people like you" (aka self-important codecels) will be the equivalent of a five year old with a pencil compared to the master AI artist and that tech companies will race amongst themselves to replace your inflated salary with as many AI models they can run.
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Unlike with art, software engineering actually requires precision. If you mess up some pixels in your drawing it doesn't matter. If you mess up a line of code then it won't run.
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It'll become in part a proofreading profession and the amount of code we consider boilerplate will greatly increase. AI generating art isn't just a one iteration then you're done thing, you generate heaps with the prompts and tweak a few things, look at the presented array of pictures and select the best, tweaking it yourself at the margins. For AI generated code I imagine it'd be similar
Anything that's promptable and has been done before (literally 99% of all coding) will have this as a tool lowering the cognitive requirements of the field.
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This is the part that won't work.
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I hedge my bets by investing in AI companies. Either I keep making bank, or AI replaces me and stonks go up. Either way I win.
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You just like me. Share your portfolio? I'm currently balls deep in Nvidia and Google.
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Look up βcode diapersβ. American companies outsource their work to curries, who make absolute garbage on the cheap, which then has to be fixed by Mutts weeks before release.
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I know that
for Google but the degradation of their search engine over the past years is really impressive
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huh? half of silicon valley tech companies are already
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Soon it'll be 100%, 50% in the us and 50% here home
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Pretty sure the guy misunderstood what offshoring did to unions lmfao
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Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.
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We have a "union" Burgers are just fricking r-slurred.
https://iww.org.uk/iu560/
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Isn't the IWW a big meme in the union world?
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Um Noam Chomsky is a member sweaty.
So no, it's taken very seriously.
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The tech bro is too arrogant to realize that collective bargaining works.
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And usually they can't read the room either.
FTFY
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This morning, Cum went to the park. I went with Coom. And Cum brought Coomer frisbee. At least I think it was Coomers. By the end of the day, Cum started throwing the frisbee to Cumself.
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I love how they give this excuse here but fail to see it applies to the whole picture as well.
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It's called "social science," sweaty. Any results that contradict your desired conclusion are obviously due to uhhh "association (correlation) with union membership and type of occupation" which uhh means they controlled for occupation and still found a result they don't like, so that means it's wrong.
I wonder if they controlled for "cost of living" (city v. country or anything like that) to get a more comparable figure for real wealth.
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Trust the science chud
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Don't think it's talking about coffee makers.
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They are almost there. Sales rep making 100-200k are getting lumped in with non-union temp workers
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Never is, these guys will tell you making 45c an hour more as a grocery store worker is going to give u a million over your life.
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Burgers used to have it good with Unions but after the 50s everything just went to shit.
Working in Germany really made me appreciate what unions are supposed to do for workers.
The dues are laughable for what you gain.
My boyfriend works in a hotel and they just got a 25% raise due to their union (and he's not part of the union cause he's r-slurred).
Cleveland has one of the strongest and largest unions since (of course) the Germans brought that mentality with them.
See https://wikiless.org/wiki/IG_Metall?lang=en
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Counterpoint: Freezing in your home this winter seems like a negative
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Why would I freeze? My radiant floor heating keeps my bare feet nice and toasty.
Solar panels have been pretty standard in construction for decades.
Poors keep losing.
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wow cleveland, never knew you cared this much about unions
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FTFY
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Iβll make more than both
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System meant to protect poor working class people, protects poor working class people. More news at 9.
Not surprising it doesnβt help people wealthy enough to stare at a computer all day nor should it. At that point you should have enough bargaining power as an individual to demand better pay. Hypothetically it should work since unlike a coal miner youβre not just another warm body they can replace if you get uppity. The over saturation of college degrees makes this not the case while the market still treats you like it did in the old days.
Unions are good.
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By pricing out poors. That's why they support minimum wage laws.
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Unions are perfectly fine if you're in a field that doesn't attract communists or other lolcows. I'd love to see somebody bring up neopronouns at a Pilots' union meeting
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This is why unions are bad. That million dollars per man gets passed onto the consumer, and unions are 100% a violation of an employerβs right to monitor what goes on between his employees. Employees absolutely do not have a right to conspire together to ruin the business outside of work, which is exactly what a union is. Unions may increase the quality of work, but they usually donβt. Unions are absolutely a violation of the employerβs rights to have and pay employees what he will. Letting your employees dictate their own salary is insane. Jail time for union organizers.
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What lol itβs in the spirit of capitalism if you wanna keep your workers raise your wages richstrag
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Why should the employer have to provide raises? They are entitled to workers, the workers are entitled to just compensation. They are not entitled to more compensation just because market forces favored the business and made it more profitable. Theyβre workers. They arenβt entitled to capital. The employer is responsible for paying them, the workers are responsible for working. Nowhere in this arrangement are raises discussed, again, the employer is entitled to their labor. They should not be allowed to hop from job to job like they do. Itβs bad for the employer and the employees alike. They should have to sign ten year contracts that the employer alone can terminate.
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Look it's simple. If you are a manual labor worker or any other type of worker where there are more people who can do your job than the number of jobs available you want a union. If you are in a job where you are not easily replaceable and can keep arguing for higher pay you do not join a union. Unions are for when the supply demand curve has reached it's max equilibrium with you getting butt fricked and you need to break through to a higher pay equilibrium.
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Men in Union sound like something gay
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and that's why it's a good thing
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Men in civil unions make more money?
Awesome!
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Subtract what they had to spend on insurance and other benefits...
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