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The idea you can talk or reason with a full-blown proto-fascist movement is peak shitlib nonsense.
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Are you not still a prolific r/neolib user?
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No?
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Oh.
Also who is this crat person following you around upvoting everything on an old thread π§
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I have no idea.
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>full blown
>proto-fascist
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Not so proto anymore.
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Pizza, that take is just as r-slurred as the NewsmaxBoomer "anyone left of me is a communist!" Refrain.
Most right wingers don't have politics they just know the last 3 decades have been good for smug libs and bad for them, so bad for libs must mean good for America.
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Hanlon's Razor. I'd be willing to debate a moderate rightoid in good faith.
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The fact you aren't even aware fascism is a fluid doctrine primarily based on emotional traits and national narratives is hilarious.
Robert Paxton for exaxmple:
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What should we do then?
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Kill them before they kill us of course.
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Donβt you mean βbizarroβ sport?
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If you consider conservatives in Burger-land proto-fascists, how would you describe literally the rest of the world? If you're talking about the social conservatism angle, 65% of African countries (excluding all the overseas territories of EU states) ban same-s*x sexual activities. And out of 49 countries, only 1 (South Africa) legalises same-s*x marriage. Worldwide, only 29 countries (mostly Mayo-lands) recognize same-s*x marriage. If you're talking about the religious angle, pretty much the entirety of the MENA region has Islam as the official state religion (and you know how apostasy is often punished in Islam). Racial/ethnicity supremacy? Malaysia literally has an article in its constitution (Article 153) that enshrines in law the special status of "ethnic" Malays over all other ethnic/racial groups. Anti-Semitism? The ADL rates the MENA region as having a score of 74/100, meaning 74% of respondents on average answered in the positive about things like "Jews have too much control over the world". Malaysia has 61 by the way. Economic angle? I'm not sure how the Trumpist Republicans are fascists economically considering the fact that they're not the type to advocate that private businesses must bend to the will of the state to serve the national interests. If you're talking about the fanatical devotion to a single leader, there're plenty of cults of personality around for you to choose. Mao and Xi Jinping in China (ideologies taught to govt. officials). Nursultan Nazarbayev in Kazakhstan (longest ruling "elected" leader in the world). Juan PerΓ³n in Argentina. Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. Vietnam literally has a mausoleum built for Ho Chi Minh and his pictures are in every government building.
Now, I'm not saying that any of these things is good or acceptable, but if you think a bunch of die-hard Trumpers constitutes a fascist movement, then what do you think the rest of the world outside of Wypipo-lands is? Fourth Reichs everywhere?
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Look, I'm not even going to read this, by literally every single metric American conservatives meet the proto fascist standard.
Like this is not a topic I do not understand. I have a formal education on it and am very well read. You do not understand what proto-fascism or fascism is if you think African countries or other countries meet the standard outside of maybe Russia.
proto-fascism and fascism does not mean "conservative ideas" it's a set of emotional traits and a national mood.
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Emotional traits and national mood? Do you have any idea how nationalistic countries like, say, China are? They're in a land and sea dispute with pretty much most of their neighbours. How hostile Indian Hindus are towards Muslims? How Vietnamese revere a single leader in the past like a demi-god? How much Burmese hate Muslims in Myanmar? How Thais worship their kings and are forbidden from criticising them? How many Palestinians and other Muslims have genocidal hatred towards Jews? What possible traits do Trumpers have that many many many other countries and their people do not have?
Like seriously, do you think anything outside of Western liberal democracy is "fascist"????
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Sexy Indian dude here, Modi and Trump share many similar traits. Both are proto-fascists.
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Why is Modi pro-fascist? Is it the favouritism towards Hinduism? Does that mean the entirety of the MENA region is fascist? Pretty much every country there has an official state religion. Many of them (like Saudi Arabia, Algeria and Yemen) are fanatical about Islam. Apostasy is punishable by law in Yemen, UAE, Qatar, etc...
Is it the nationalism? Like I mentioned above, China is hyper nationalistic. It's picking fights with all its neighbours (India included) over lands that it considers to "belong" to the Chinese people. Ethnoreligious violence? The Burmese state has long encouraged/committed violence against the Rohingya. Your neighbour, Sri Lanka, was embroiled in a bloody civil war because its goverment discriminated and encouraged violence against the Tamil minority. Were all of these examples fascism in action?
Suppression of political dissent? Singapore has practically been a one-party state since independence with the media tightly controlled by the government (aka the PAP). China's own constitution places the CCP as the leader of the country and all state organs are controlled by the Party. Are these countries fascists?
Look, I'm not saying Modi and others like him don't deserve criticisms. Call him out for his authoritarianism, Hindu nationalistic rhetorics, etc... But I'm just annoyed that people keep trying to accuse their opponents of fascism. It's an ideology that was pretty much killed in its infancy close to a century ago and was limited to a few countries, mainly in Europe. World politics have changed so much since then, why keep on using that useless label?
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Proto-fascism is the earliest stage of fascism imo. Modi and Trump definitely fit into that. I just use the word as a short form of right wing authoritarianism.
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Ok, then just call it that? Why use a highly charged term that references a (pretty much) dead ideology? It would be like a bunch of rightoids calling Scandinavia proto-communist.
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Because I never felt any obligation to, since it's very commonly used in that context.
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That's great and all, but I asked for my burger without cheese.
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Wow, you must be a JP fan.
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I know your experience leads you to believe this, but you should understand you are uniquely incapable of changing peoples minds.
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imagine thinking trainsphobes are all protofascists lmao
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No, but Republicans and conservatives are almost invariably proto-fascists today in America.
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I fricking wish
You're literally r-slurded. Fascism isn't just when rightoids get a bit too uppity. Proto-fascist probably does describe the hindu nationalists or the ukrainian anti-Russians, but not american fricking conservatives.
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You have literally no idea what fascism is.
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define fascism then moron
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I literally did. Fascism is primarily a set of emotional traits with a fluid doctrine, whatever needs to be true is true in pursuit of obtaining political power.
It's why fascism is so disparate in general outside of the national mood component.
Robert Paxton describes this:
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youre r-slurred lol
everytihng u just typed described blacks/lgbt/liberals as well as trumpies. heck as a neoliberal u believe that oligarchs are a chosen people who should dominate the workers without restraint
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Ok, you're too poorly educated and delusional to have this discussion.
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lol no
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Yes, and?
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That is absolutely ridiculous. If you truly believe that, you have issues. It's the exact same as saying "All democrats are Marxists".
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No, I am not. This dumb butt both siderism makes no sense. The DNC is openly anti-communist. Furthermore, communism and marxism are structured doctrines, fascism is a national mood and set of emotional traits.
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The GOP is openly anti-fascist. And your "furthermore..." comment is complete bunk, just you trying to twist definitions of things to fit what you want. If you really believe that, there is no point to discuss politics with you. You know what you are talking about regarding chicks, but your take on US politics is just hysterical hyperbole , hypocrisy, and strawmen.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. You're confusing your own ignorance of the topic with me being hyperbolic.
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No, you.
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It's very hard for people to comprehend how bad things actually are until you're at the point of no return.
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Both are true
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That's quite the interesting take there, since only one side seems to be: actively dehumanizing another to the point where zero conversation can occur, saying because those conversations cant occur they have no right to exist, and then doing their best to expunge the other group from society by taking their jobs, their education, and their freedoms, all while claiming to be on "the right side of history". Seems pretty fashy to me :p
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By literally every understanding of the fascist standard american conservatives are proto-fascists, even more r-slurred here is pretending the GOP hasn't leaned heavily on dehumanization and conspiracies since the 1990s.
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Go on.
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Hmmm I wonder why conservatives are becoming skeptical
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Name a non-anecdotal case of this happening.
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Sorry I got too serious. I'll give you my bussy to apologize.
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And they are also following it all up with eugenics support rising day by day.
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This sounds dangerously close to sincerity
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You have to play with fire when dealing with pizza π
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The only good fascist is a dead fascist
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Literally the bizarro version of "liberals are essentially communists in today's America"
Both easily disproven by walking outside.
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Again, no. Communism is a structured doctrine, fascism is a national mood. By literally every understanding of the fascist standard conservatives are proto-fascists.
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Incredible take, tell me more about how actually Antifa is not an organization but a default setting (that requires heavy organization by groomercord groooomers)
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This is just a basic understanding of fascism, the fact you're unaware of this leads me to believe this is a topic you have no education on.
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Actually communism is a national mood and fascism is a political doctrine so iβm right ur wrong GG
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This dude works for:
Heβs right-wing wonk. Not a centrist.
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Ehh, AEI is center-right, and this wonk wants to work on bringing people together (toward, lol i dunno, something centrist).
Is he or AEI not centrist because they didn't score exactly 50% left-wing and 50% right-wing?
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For a moderation group, yes, they should be centrist.
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So you agree that he's a centrist? I'm confused....
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Being center-right isn't centrism...?
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Thanks for answering. Makes sense.
Honestly, I just use the term "moderate." It's a better fit.
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The Maricopa county audit proved that it was lmao.
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Wait you think I am a liberal? How r-slurred can you be. Well then again looking at your post history I can see that you certainly type like your IQ is in the single digits. I already told you that a couple thousand people is not representative of 10's of millions of people and you keep on insisting that the study is believable because it's made by pew. Like the idiots who buy Apple devices because they have an apple sticker glued to the front. You're the r-slurred fricking ape that replied to a thread that no one had replied to in a week. You're the one who started throwing around names when I replied back to you initially. You want to be like that, then so be it. Go frick yourself you r-slurred piece of shit. I'm done talking to the likes of you
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The sperging is coming from inside the house again
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Darn half of the replies sound like fake rage bait but I honestly wouldnt be half surprised if it's real.
People freaking out about trans having to have actual conversations with people who dont automatically call them heckin valid.
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What happens to a society when it is ran by the most mentally weak and easily damaged?
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It gets inevitably crushed by a stronger and more resilient society.
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Just imagining the utter shock of this normie when he realized how much of a wingnut everyone is on there gives me conniptions.
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The Battle for Berkley is one of the most embarrassing episodes of the last decade
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Got any more info on that? The wikipedia article is dry, humorless, and short.
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And it was largely founded on hysteria that spread like wild fire, people were melting down over literally nothing at all, they couldn't give reasons as to how the campus and teachers were racist, it was "they just are" and when questioned people were shut down. It will be looked upon like the Dancing Plague of 1518.
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