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Wait you think I am a liberal? How r-slurred can you be. Well then again looking at your post history I can see that you certainly type like your IQ is in the single digits. I already told you that a couple thousand people is not representative of 10's of millions of people and you keep on insisting that the study is believable because it's made by pew. Like the idiots who buy Apple devices because they have an apple sticker glued to the front. You're the r-slurred fricking ape that replied to a thread that no one had replied to in a week. You're the one who started throwing around names when I replied back to you initially. You want to be like that, then so be it. Go frick yourself you r-slurred piece of shit. I'm done talking to the likes of you


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How do you address expecting marginalized groups

Stopped reading right there. This person has too much estrogen in its body. Opinion dismissed.

How am I supposed to talk to somebody who thinks I shouldn't be allowed to exist?

I'm sure burning schools is a productive method to change their opinion.

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trans people for example

always the trans

always

time to send in marsey

:trans: https://i.ibb.co/mDch3Mx/d40bc9a19f76.webp

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:marseytrans: :marseyshooting:

(X24) (in both ways)

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Wtf happened to the animated marseys?! Jannies explain yourself, what do other people even pay you for

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From my heart in ink still bleeding: have this comment. Thanks for reading.

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Marseyshooting isn't animated

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Umm, you should know that by putting those emoticons like that it looks like Marsey is shooting the trans flag. Someone could interpret that as transphobic but I'm sure you didn't mean it in that way

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On this r/subredditdrama brigading website, we support trans school shooters

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That thread yesterday about the Manlet who ratioed himself had me in tears. Some girl wordswordswords posted about his death and literally started his eulogy

“Frist of all, I am an FTM manlet, and as a train I fully understand his pain”

Can’t even write a eulogy without making it about locomotives lmao

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Rent free

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Hey that is what I wrote :( And you got more dramacoins for it than me! Please transfer half of your current income of this post

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Were you baiting with that eulogy?

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No not that

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Dilate lol

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Always this histrionic fricking nonsense about "not being allowed to exist!!!!", as if there's zero distance between thinking someone is strange and Hitlerposting IRL

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It’s a slippery slope, mostly because I doused it with Dawn beforehand

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You don't understand. Trans zoomers are quantum entities that only exist as long as there is an observer to verify their existence. They need to be in the center of attention at all times otherwise they'll get lost in an endless wave of uncertainty.

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The Peter Pan universe is IRL canon, and fairies only exist if children believe in them.

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I’m not going to get into the online trains, but most trains just want to live their lives. Denying them things like public restrooms and healthcare coverage, and legalizing firing them from their jobs or kicking them out of housing sucks.

The histrionics come from the ones who want woke points but it’s still something that should be considered.

bussy

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denying them public restrooms

they can just use the men’s bathroom. how can I grope their cute femdick if they’re in the other bathroom...

healthcare

they can’t be denied healthcare coverage anyway, right? Not sure what you mean. They may be denied coverage for, like, hrt or trans surgery, but neither are other non medically necessary ones

firing or kicking them out

This infringes on the rights of landlords.

In general irl :!marseytrain:s not being annoying cute twinks doesn’t make being a :marseytrain: good. It’s still r-slurred

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In some states, you can be denied healthcare if that healthcare violates the providers beliefs. It can be stretched to deny any healthcare in many cases

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there’s no necessary reason they can’t just use normal bathrooms. Gendered bathrooms literally don’t matter at all. Back in my day people just all shat in the same hole

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Denying them things like public restrooms

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I NEED TO USE THE GIRLS RESTROOM OR I'LL LITERALLY DIE AHHHHHHHHH

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After reading that comment section i don’t really think they should be allowed to exist but not bc they’re :!marseytrain:s, just because of the way they type online

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Social media echo chambers and traditional media exaggeration have poisoned our understandings of each other, which is why groups like Bridge are so important. Americans consistently believe their political rivals are far more extreme than they actually are.

So yes, these people genuinely believe that anyone who is moderate to conservative on LGBT rights wants to march them into a death camp.

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I mean, it's a seriouspost, so you disgust me, but it's nice to see that I'm not the only one to think this might be the least useless political organisation to come along for decades.

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How did your entire nations politics become all about how the 50 :marseytrain2:s feel about issues.

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its not though, you think the most powerful man in the county (joe manchin) gives a shit about :!marseytrain:s?

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:marseytrans2: :badass:

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God almighty 'marginalized people' are psychologically babies. How do representstives of countries get in a room and negotiate a cease fire when they are at literal war with each other? They aren't just doing faux college libstrag definition of violence to each other. There are actual people dying! And yet somehow they are able to do it. So maybe you, r-slur train, can have a conversation with a republican, you pathetic, mentally ill, 100% man in a dress.

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So maybe you, r-slur train, can have a conversation with a republican, you pathetic, mentally ill, 100% man in a dress.

They absolutely cannot, though. These people don't have logical arguments to support their positions, they have vague feelings and unfunny memes. That's why they're so petrified of even going near a right-winger and why they won't shut up about "right-wing brainwashing" and "radicalization" because they have zero capacity to debate or challenge them.

Rightoids can be equally r-slurred, but for the most part they at least try to debate, and not simply go "wow okay you expect me to actually talk with people I don't agree with sweaty?" because they have strength in their convictions.

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everyone who talks open-mindedly with a right-winger becomes a right-winger!

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Like if they genuinely believe that it should really be telling them something.

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There was a post on here a few weeks back linking to some guy who was crying about how he had "converted" his whole family to his r-slurred political beliefs, but then a few Shapiro videos was all it took to "brainwash" them back into rightoids. It did not seem to cross his mind for an instant that, if your family can be convinced to swing right by a Shapiro video of all things, his position had to be a complete house of cards.

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Or his family are all fricking idiots.

Or both

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none of those people have any coherent ideas or intelligence they’re all just stupid, has nothing to do with logic or anything

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The same trope in reverse is also kinda funny, i.e. rightoid moral spooks about how liberal agendas are spreading throughout and corrupting academic institutions. If you genuinely believe that the class of people most associated with increased intelligence all buy into some shit, it should be equally telling.

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They won't even talk to people who legitimately want to understand then more than half the time "its not my job to educate you."

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Rightoids can be equally r-slurred, but for the most part they at least try to debate

lol no, for the most part they do the exact same shit leftoids do

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When I see zoomer strags talking about their "trauma", it makes me want to actually traumatize them with a baseball bat. Yes, I'm clearly mentally stable and well adjusted.

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I’ve only met a few people that use it/its as pronouns and I was left impressed and terrified in equal measure by each and every one. Too Chad for this world.

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Whey are they so afraid of talking to people that they disagree with? Don’t they see it as an opportunity to persuade misguided conservative students so see the light?

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It's not about being afraid to talk to them, it's that reasoning with an actual fascist movement is wildly r-slurred.

And yes, I don't care what any r-slur le drama centrist thinks, by every understanding of fascism the Trumptard movement is fascist.

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You have never seen a fascist in your life

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Or a vagina

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I dunno, he strikes me as the kind of weirdo that would have open eyes during his own birth.

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Oh God yeah, just wide open and calm. Full of understanding.

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Wait, you’re not OP

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That's a good thing though.

#bussysuperiority

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I do love poorly educated drama users with no idea what fascism even is trying to downplay what Trumptards are.

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comment made by pizzashill, known expert on and survivor of fascist regimes

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He's lived through the fall of Lordaeron and The Black Citadel

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subject matter expert: cryptofascism

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Subject Matter Expert: Postmodern Hate Networks like Rdrama.net

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You have no idea what you're talking about

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Except I do.

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What are your credentials?

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Show me on the doll where the fascist touched you son

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In my soul daddy 🥺

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The word fascist has lost all meaning

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No, I'm actually strictly basing my understanding of why they're fascist on Robert Paxton's anatomy of fascism, a book specifically written to fix bad definitions.

Let me say this again - by literally every understanding of the fascist standard are American Trumptards proto-fascists.

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Okay sure, I don't disagree, but if engagement is useless, what's the alternative? Seems like what the left is doing now is only feeding the fascist's need for victimhood. The only successful deradicalization I'm aware of is engagement.


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someday they’ll just admit they want to kill them all. I’ll have a lot more respect for them when they do.

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Someday? Where have you been?

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It really seems that way. There's no other alternative, right? I'm being 100% serious.


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For real, it's confusing. I like to think that if I genuinely believed what they say they do, I'd being fedposting irl. Everyone who said the U.S. border camps were the new Holocaust weren't making everyone else look like Nazis for allegedly not knowing what was going on, but were admitting that they'd be the complacent ones that they were railing against.

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I wish I had a meme that went something like this, except it'd be "all fascists are nazis, a HS drop outs understanding of political ideology."

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Why are you being so hysterical? Do you need a vibrator?

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He doesn't.

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It had lost all meaning by 1946. Seriously, there was an article or something published still in the '40s complaining that the term had become nothing but a generic political slur with no actual meaning behind it. If you had to write a dictionary definition for it, you'd have to write something like "person with political positions I heavily disagree with", because that's the only consistent way it's used.

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by every understanding of fascism the Trumptard movement is fascist.

@Aevann Pizza's account has been hacked, please get in touch with him, the hacker is posting some r-slurred shit like this

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In what way does the Trumptard base not meet the fascist standard?

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@Aevann also check this user @crat this user is stalking pizza's account, upvotes every post by pizza within mere seconds

@pizzashill

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy

  1. dictatorial power = where drumpf was never a dicator

  2. forcible suppression of opposition = democrats won in 2020 sweaty

  3. strong regimentation of society and of the economy = check the stock market

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No see @pizzashill is using the exact same definition of fascism that the rest of the left uses: 'Anyone committing wrongthink that I disagree with'

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upcoining pizza is good manners

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Isnt that burden of proof kinda on you? Never mind i don’t wanna read the essaypost explaining why making fun of CNN is fashyzm

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Well, for one, the core, fundamental notion of fascism is that the state stands above everything else, be it family, religion, race, anything. It is a totalitarian ideology first and foremost. For another, the economic system of fascism is, as it's social policy, totalitarian: the market exists only so far as it serves the state, and while it may appear nominally capitalist, the state can and does intervene decisively and directly in the decisions of market players. China's system, basically.

American rightoids are absolutely not the-state-above-all types, and are very much free market types. I'm sorry, but the glove doesn't fit. They're authoritarian conservatives, but fascism is more specific than that.

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Amerirights are libertarian-leaning in general. Sure you got your authy types, but the fundamental ideology is very nosteppysnek, government fek ov, etc. They're anything but fascist.

Also, Trump had every opportunity and justification to use the insurrection act during the 2020 BLM riots and he didn't. It actually pissed off his authier fanbase. The man is a lot of things (idiot, narcissist, fricking hilarious, etc), but he's not a fascist.

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My god man you people have no clue whatr you are talking about.

Well, for one, the core, fundamental notion of fascism is that the state stands above everything else, be it family, religion, race, anything. It is a totalitarian ideology first and foremost. For another, the economic system of fascism is, as it's social policy, totalitarian:

No, it is not a fundamental notion of fascism before fascists obtain power. Fascism is primarily a set of emotional traits and national mood - the stuff you're talking about comes after.

The Trumptard base is fundamentally authoritarian and in favor of government authoritarianism, as long as it targets the right people. Rather than adherence to the state, fascists primarily operate via cult of personality and said cult serves as the avatar of the nation, the people.

Hannah Arendt, on totalitarianism:

“In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true. ... Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.”

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American rightoids are absolutely not the-state-above-all types, and are very much free market types. I'm sorry, but the glove doesn't fit. They're authoritarian conservatives, but fascism is more specific than that.

And my point is you have no idea what fascism is. Fascism, again, is a set of emotional traits, a national mood, with a completely fluid set of goals until they obtain power.

You're also again, confusing the idea of the state with the idea of the nation and the people. Trumptards are absolutely hyper-nationalists that believe the nation comes above all else and any action is justified in defense of the nation and the ideas they associate with the nation.

And Trump - as their avatar of the nation, has absolute loyalty from them. When he speaks, they listen. His core base will believe anything he says, do anything he tells them to do.

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I'd quote some Mussolini at you but why bother, you'd just say he doesn't know what fascism is either.

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You could quote him if you'd like, here let me do it for you:

Fascist leaders made no secret of having no program. Mussolini exulted in that absence. “The Fasci di Combattimento," Mussolini wrote in the “Postulates of the Fascist Program" of May 1920, “. . . do not feel tied to any particular doctrinal form." A few months before he became prime minister of Italy, he replied truculently to a critic who demanded to know what his program was: “The democrats of Il Mondo want to know our program? It is to break the bones of the democrats of Il Mondo. And the sooner the better." “The fist," asserted a Fascist militant in 1920, “is the synthesis of our theory." Mussolini liked to declare that he himself was the definition of Fascism. The will and leadership of a Duce was what a modern people needed, not a doctrine. Only in 1932, after he had been in power for ten years, and when he wanted to “normalize" his regime, did Mussolini expound Fascist doctrine, in an article (partly ghostwritten by the philosopher Giovanni Gentile) for the new Enciclopedia italiana. Power came first, then doctrine. Hannah Arendt observed that Mussolini “was probably the first party leader who consciously rejected a formal program and replaced it with inspired leadership and action alone."

This is what II mean, fascism is not a doctrine.

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Fascism not having a stated, formal doctrine or program doesn't mean it has no hallmarks beside being "a feeling" (LOL).

Mussolini's The Doctrine of Fascism (1932), partly ghostwritten by philosopher Giovanni Gentile,[208] who Mussolini described as "the philosopher of Fascism", states: "The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State—a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values—interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people."

That idea, or "feeling" if it makes you happy, doesn't sit well with American rightoids in general, nor even Trump's fanclub. They want their strongman leader, sure, but they don't want a big , "all-embracing" state.

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the Trumptard movement is fascist

I wish

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Lol ur dumb

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Daryl Davis talked 200 members of the KKK into hanging up their robes, you daft c*nt. Talking works.

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That's amazing, the KKK is not a fascist movement, they're just right-wing social conservative racists.

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Whey are they so afraid of talking to people that they disagree with?

Because it's way harder to actually address the arguments that someone is making in ways that are likely to be persuasive to them than it is to just strawmen them as fundamentally immune to reason and being beneath your efforts.

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I view politics through a lens of Trauma

JFC, what a cute twink

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But whoo boy r/TraumaAndPolitics looks like a sub ripe for bait

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I bet you grind in underleveled areas in Final Fantasy 6

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That just sounds inefficient.

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No grinding until you get magicite friendo

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*kupo

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kupo

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Could have a bait sub based on having a therapeutic support group for people who are forced to deal with differing political opinions in their daily lives and the trauma that this induces.

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Jesus Christ if you're goingto make a sub just make one you don't have to be validated by us like a :marseytrain:. I swear half the threads are talking about epic pwning bait subs now.

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Well how else can you claim constant victimhood without framing everything through that one time a guy was mean to you?

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Technically correct, but the silent part is sexual [trauma]

The truth is sexuality is everywhere, the way a bureaucrat fondles his records, a judge administers justice, a businessman causes money to circulate; the way the bourgeoisie fricks the proletariat; and so on. Flags, nations, armies, banks get a lot of people aroused.

It was not by means of a metaphor, even a paternal metaphor, that Hitler was able to sexually arouse the fascists. It is not by means of a metaphor that a banking or stock-market transaction, a claim, a coupon, a credit, is able to arouse people who are not necessarily bankers. And what about the effects of money that grows, money that produces more money? There are socioeconomic "complexes" that are also veritable complexes of the unconscious, and that communicate a voluptuous wave from the top to the bottom of their hierarchy (the military–industrial complex). And ideology, Oedipus, and the phallus have nothing to do with this, because they depend on it rather than being its impetus.

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If we could stop giving student loans to liberal arts majors, that would make me so happy.

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you know math is a liberal arts major, right?

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Yes and?

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No, I'm kind of r-slurred

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Kind of?

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"oh boy I can't wait to use this new math that just came out"

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Unironically this at the peak of tech research.

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Why? They go broke and the economy benefits

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Don’t even need to go that far. Just aggressively bully profs who teach Lacan and Deleuze and shit like that. That’s where half of this “libidinal” critical theory, psychoanalytic horseshit comes from.

/srspost

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Easily bullied soft assed kitties are the people you don't wantto be teachers

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Sending them a nice surprise gift in the mail would be a more permanent and deserved solution.

:marseyunabomber: :marseyinabox:

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Free college and housing on campus but you need to pass all of calculus and linear algebra.

If you don't then you have to pay all of that + reparations + tip. :marseyjam:

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linear algebra

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stupidcel cope. it’s just adding and multiplying by scalars. Smh.

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We should unironically stop giving student loans.

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I'm... concerned about this person.

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Holy shit this BIPOC has problems. You just know he was hard as a rock writing those posts too.

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You don't type your posts with tongue and peepee?

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I hate this shit so much, Freud and the French needs to be posthumously and retroactively gassed

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We really should have just let the Red Army roll all the way to the Atlantic. Western euro commie, p-do "intellectuals" getting a taste of "That Wasn't Real Communism™" would have been poetic. If USSR had survived, the snow drunks and chinese probably would have already blown the frick out of all of Eurasia with nuclear weapons over some r-slurred border dispute.

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"And ideology, Oedipus, and the phallus have nothing to do with this, because they depend on it rather than being its impetus."

Neighbor what?

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Both sides need to come together and stuff these giant babies in a locker

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The idea you can talk or reason with a full-blown proto-fascist movement is peak shitlib nonsense.

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imagine thinking trainsphobes are all protofascists lmao

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No, but Republicans and conservatives are almost invariably proto-fascists today in America.

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That's quite the interesting take there, since only one side seems to be: actively dehumanizing another to the point where zero conversation can occur, saying because those conversations cant occur they have no right to exist, and then doing their best to expunge the other group from society by taking their jobs, their education, and their freedoms, all while claiming to be on "the right side of history". Seems pretty fashy to me :p

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The only good fascist is a dead fascist

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This sounds dangerously close to sincerity

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You have to play with fire when dealing with pizza 😎

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By literally every understanding of the fascist standard american conservatives are proto-fascists, even more r-slurred here is pretending the GOP hasn't leaned heavily on dehumanization and conspiracies since the 1990s.

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human rights in 1990: everyone should be secure from government persecution

Human rights in 2020: suck the girldick, bigot

Hmmm I wonder why conservatives are becoming skeptical

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Name a non-anecdotal case of this happening.

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argue in good faith on Arr slash drama dot net

Use your actually beliefs, instead of just staying dramatic things to rile up local creatures

Actually engaging in debate, ever

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Sorry I got too serious. I'll give you my bussy to apologize.

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Go on.

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And they are also following it all up with eugenics support rising day by day.

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Literally the bizarro version of "liberals are essentially communists in today's America"

Both easily disproven by walking outside.

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Again, no. Communism is a structured doctrine, fascism is a national mood. By literally every understanding of the fascist standard conservatives are proto-fascists.

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Actually communism is a national mood and fascism is a political doctrine so i’m right ur wrong GG

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Incredible take, tell me more about how actually Antifa is not an organization but a default setting (that requires heavy organization by groomercord groooomers)

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This is just a basic understanding of fascism, the fact you're unaware of this leads me to believe this is a topic you have no education on.

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That is absolutely ridiculous. If you truly believe that, you have issues. It's the exact same as saying "All democrats are Marxists".


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Both are true

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No, I am not. This dumb butt both siderism makes no sense. The DNC is openly anti-communist. Furthermore, communism and marxism are structured doctrines, fascism is a national mood and set of emotional traits.

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The GOP is openly anti-fascist. And your "furthermore..." comment is complete bunk, just you trying to twist definitions of things to fit what you want. If you really believe that, there is no point to discuss politics with you. You know what you are talking about regarding chicks, but your take on US politics is just hysterical hyperbole , hypocrisy, and strawmen.


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You have no idea what you are talking about. You're confusing your own ignorance of the topic with me being hyperbolic.

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No, you.


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It's very hard for people to comprehend how bad things actually are until you're at the point of no return.

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Yes, and?

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lol no

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  1. Based

  2. I fricking wish

  3. You're literally r-slurded. Fascism isn't just when rightoids get a bit too uppity. Proto-fascist probably does describe the hindu nationalists or the ukrainian anti-Russians, but not american fricking conservatives.

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You have literally no idea what fascism is.

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define fascism then moron

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I literally did. Fascism is primarily a set of emotional traits with a fluid doctrine, whatever needs to be true is true in pursuit of obtaining political power.

It's why fascism is so disparate in general outside of the national mood component.

Robert Paxton describes this:

To focus only on the educated carriers of intellect and culture in the search for fascist roots, furthermore, is to miss the most important register: subterranean passions and emotions. A nebula of attitudes was taking shape, and no one thinker ever put together a total philosophical system to support fascism. Even scholars who specialize in the quest for fascism’s intellectual and cultural origins, such as George Mosse, declare that the establishment of a “mood" is more important than “the search for some individual precursors."59 In that sense too, fascism is more plausibly linked to a set of “mobilizing passions" that shape fascist action than to a consistent and fully articulated philosophy. At bottom is a passionate nationalism. Allied to it is a conspiratorial and Manichean view of history as a battle between the good and evil camps, between the pure and the corrupt, in which one’s own community or nation has been the victim. In this Darwinian narrative, the chosen people have been weakened by political parties, social classes, unassimilable minorities, spoiled rentiers, and rationalist thinkers who lack the necessary sense of community. These “mobilizing passions," mostly taken for granted and not always overtly argued as intellectual propositions, form the emotional lava that set fascism’s foundations:

a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond the reach of any traditional solutions;

the primacy of the group, toward which one has duties superior to every right, whether individual or universal, and the subordination of the individual to it;

the belief that one’s group is a victim, a sentiment that justifies any action, without legal or moral limits, against its enemies, both internal and external;

dread of the group’s decline under the corrosive effects of individualistic liberalism, class conflict, and alien influences;

the need for closer integration of a purer community, by consent if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary;

the need for authority by natural leaders (always male), culminating in a national chief who alone is capable of incarnating the group’s destiny;

the superiority of the leader’s instincts over abstract and universal reason;

the beauty of violence and the efficacy of will, when they are devoted to the group’s success;

the right of the chosen people to dominate others without restraint from any kind of human or divine law, right being decided by the sole criterion of the group’s prowess within a Darwinian struggle.

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fascism is an emotional trait

youre r-slurred lol

everytihng u just typed described blacks/lgbt/liberals as well as trumpies. heck as a neoliberal u believe that oligarchs are a chosen people who should dominate the workers without restraint

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Ok, you're too poorly educated and delusional to have this discussion.

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What should we do then?

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Kill them before they kill us of course.

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I know your experience leads you to believe this, but you should understand you are uniquely incapable of changing peoples minds.

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If you consider conservatives in Burger-land proto-fascists, how would you describe literally the rest of the world? If you're talking about the social conservatism angle, 65% of African countries (excluding all the overseas territories of EU states) ban same-s*x sexual activities. And out of 49 countries, only 1 (South Africa) legalises same-s*x marriage. Worldwide, only 29 countries (mostly Mayo-lands) recognize same-s*x marriage. If you're talking about the religious angle, pretty much the entirety of the MENA region has Islam as the official state religion (and you know how apostasy is often punished in Islam). Racial/ethnicity supremacy? Malaysia literally has an article in its constitution (Article 153) that enshrines in law the special status of "ethnic" Malays over all other ethnic/racial groups. Anti-Semitism? The ADL rates the MENA region as having a score of 74/100, meaning 74% of respondents on average answered in the positive about things like "Jews have too much control over the world". Malaysia has 61 by the way. Economic angle? I'm not sure how the Trumpist Republicans are fascists economically considering the fact that they're not the type to advocate that private businesses must bend to the will of the state to serve the national interests. If you're talking about the fanatical devotion to a single leader, there're plenty of cults of personality around for you to choose. Mao and Xi Jinping in China (ideologies taught to govt. officials). Nursultan Nazarbayev in Kazakhstan (longest ruling "elected" leader in the world). Juan Perón in Argentina. Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. Vietnam literally has a mausoleum built for Ho Chi Minh and his pictures are in every government building.

Now, I'm not saying that any of these things is good or acceptable, but if you think a bunch of die-hard Trumpers constitutes a fascist movement, then what do you think the rest of the world outside of Wypipo-lands is? Fourth Reichs everywhere? :marseyconfused:

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Wow, you must be a JP fan.

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Look, I'm not even going to read this, by literally every single metric American conservatives meet the proto fascist standard.

Like this is not a topic I do not understand. I have a formal education on it and am very well read. You do not understand what proto-fascism or fascism is if you think African countries or other countries meet the standard outside of maybe Russia.

proto-fascism and fascism does not mean "conservative ideas" it's a set of emotional traits and a national mood.

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Emotional traits and national mood? Do you have any idea how nationalistic countries like, say, China are? They're in a land and sea dispute with pretty much most of their neighbours. How hostile Indian Hindus are towards Muslims? How Vietnamese revere a single leader in the past like a demi-god? How much Burmese hate Muslims in Myanmar? How Thais worship their kings and are forbidden from criticising them? How many Palestinians and other Muslims have genocidal hatred towards Jews? What possible traits do Trumpers have that many many many other countries and their people do not have?

Like seriously, do you think anything outside of Western liberal democracy is "fascist"????

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Sexy Indian dude here, Modi and Trump share many similar traits. Both are proto-fascists.

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Why is Modi pro-fascist? Is it the favouritism towards Hinduism? Does that mean the entirety of the MENA region is fascist? Pretty much every country there has an official state religion. Many of them (like Saudi Arabia, Algeria and Yemen) are fanatical about Islam. Apostasy is punishable by law in Yemen, UAE, Qatar, etc...

Is it the nationalism? Like I mentioned above, China is hyper nationalistic. It's picking fights with all its neighbours (India included) over lands that it considers to "belong" to the Chinese people. Ethnoreligious violence? The Burmese state has long encouraged/committed violence against the Rohingya. Your neighbour, Sri Lanka, was embroiled in a bloody civil war because its goverment discriminated and encouraged violence against the Tamil minority. Were all of these examples fascism in action?

Suppression of political dissent? Singapore has practically been a one-party state since independence with the media tightly controlled by the government (aka the PAP). China's own constitution places the CCP as the leader of the country and all state organs are controlled by the Party. Are these countries fascists?

Look, I'm not saying Modi and others like him don't deserve criticisms. Call him out for his authoritarianism, Hindu nationalistic rhetorics, etc... But I'm just annoyed that people keep trying to accuse their opponents of fascism. It's an ideology that was pretty much killed in its infancy close to a century ago and was limited to a few countries, mainly in Europe. World politics have changed so much since then, why keep on using that useless label?

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That's great and all, but I asked for my burger without cheese.

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Proto-fascism is the earliest stage of fascism imo. Modi and Trump definitely fit into that. I just use the word as a short form of right wing authoritarianism.

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Ok, then just call it that? Why use a highly charged term that references a (pretty much) dead ideology? It would be like a bunch of rightoids calling Scandinavia proto-communist.

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Because I never felt any obligation to, since it's very commonly used in that context.

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college republicans

fascist

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Pizza, that take is just as r-slurred as the NewsmaxBoomer "anyone left of me is a communist!" Refrain.

Most right wingers don't have politics they just know the last 3 decades have been good for smug libs and bad for them, so bad for libs must mean good for America.

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Hanlon's Razor. I'd be willing to debate a moderate rightoid in good faith.

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The fact you aren't even aware fascism is a fluid doctrine primarily based on emotional traits and national narratives is hilarious.

Robert Paxton for exaxmple:

Fascism, by contrast, was a new invention created afresh for the era of mass politics. It sought to appeal mainly to the emotions by the use of ritual, carefully stage-managed ceremonies, and intensely charged rhetoric. The role programs and doctrine play in it is, on closer inspection, fundamentally unlike the role they play in conservatism, liberalism, and socialism. Fascism does not rest explicitly upon an elaborated philosophical system, but rather upon popular feelings about master races, their unjust lot, and their rightful predominance over inferior peoples. It has not been given intellectual underpinnings by any system builder, like Marx, or by any major critical intelligence, like Mill, Burke, or Tocqueville.69

In a way utterly unlike the classical “isms," the rightness of fascism does not depend on the truth of any of the propositions advanced in its name. Fascism is “true" insofar as it helps fulfill the destiny of a chosen race or people or blood, locked with other peoples in a Darwinian struggle, and not in the light of some abstract and universal reason. The first fascists were entirely frank about this.

We [Fascists] don’t think ideology is a problem that is resolved in such a way that truth is seated on a throne. But, in that case, does fighting for an ideology mean fighting for mere appearances? No doubt, unless one considers it according to its unique and efficacious psychological-historical value. The truth of an ideology lies in its capacity to set in motion our capacity for ideals and action. Its truth is absolute insofar as, living within us, it suffices to exhaust those capacities.

The truth was whatever permitted the new fascist man (and woman) to dominate others, and whatever made the chosen people triumph.

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>full blown

>proto-fascist

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Not so proto anymore.

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Are you not still a prolific r/neolib user?

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No?

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Oh.

Also who is this crat person following you around upvoting everything on an old thread 🧐

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I have no idea.

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