https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits?sort=controversial
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Haha, the admin chat with him is gold how he misunderstands:
https://gist.github.com/christianselig/a9d00a47c99a4d1d3d16bc19e05419c0(dead link)https://gist.github.com/christianselig/fda7e8bc5a25aec9824f915e6a5c7014
EDIT: He changed the link. In case he changes it again, here's the original link's archive! https://archive.is/cw2Gk
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Apollo Dev: I could make it really easy on you, if you think Apollo is costing you $20 million per year, cut me a check for $10 million and we can both skip off into the sunset. Six months of use. We're good.
Ozzie: Six months of use? What do you mean? I know you said that was mostly a joke, but I want to take everything you're saying seriously just to make sure I'm not - what are you referring to?
Apollo Dev: Okay, if Apollo's opportunity cost currently is $20 million dollars. At the 7 billion requests and API volume. If that's your yearly opportunity cost for Apollo, cut that in half, say for 6 months. Bob's your uncle.
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I don't get his point, still. Making Apollo pay is leading to it shutting down. That's Apollo gone without having to pay $10 million at all.
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It's opportunity cost, not realized cost. Reddit could be making $20 million off of the users on Apollo, that doesn't mean they're saving $20 million if Apollo shuts off.
So you can see they were never serious or honest. If you take what reddit says at face value, buying Apollo out for $10 million is FREE $10 million in profit ($20 mil - $10 mil).
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Paying Apollo makes no sense. What would you pay them for? To shut down? Reddit can shut them down for free.
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That's clear to everyone now. The part that's scummy on reddit is that they lied about their intentions and then slandered the dev. If they came out and stated they wanted to kill Apollo, they'd have way less blowback if they just said it straight up.
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That business degree is really paying off isn't it?
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No, r-slur, I'm just not sub 80 IQ like you.
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Aww, tenderqueer is pretty thin skinned today
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Mate, do I know you?
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This assumes Apollo users will pay, doesn't it? At the moment Reddit just has a tonne of lost ad revenue to Apollo users. Presumably if enough of them are forced to switch to the proper Reddit app they'll start seeing ads and start making Reddit money. If everyone was willing to pay for every service they use online then there'd be no need for this huge industry based on advertising.
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Virtually no one is willing too pay. Apple users are still more willing too pay than Android though. Apple has about half the global install base of Google Play devices, but the App Store still consistently generates more than double the Play Store's revenue, it's been thatbway since the figures started being compared over a decade ago.
Reddit will still make more money from the influx of users seeing ads, but Apollo being iOS based means that a higher percentage may pony some money up.
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More proof that android is for poor
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It makes no sense at all, and there's so many gaps in logic here, so I definitely understand how someone who's most likely ESL would interpret this as a confusing threat.
He's saying that Apollo is being charged $20 million a year because that's what it costs Reddit to maintain it. That's obviously not true, and I think he knows that, but this isn't a "gotcha" because I don't think Reddit ever claimed that they were just charging these apps at-cost. Everyone knows this is a profit-based decision.
Not only that, but like you said, Apollo is being shut down by Reddit already. Why would they pay him $10 million for something that's naturally going to happen? Like even as a joke, this offer doesn't make any sense.
It's very impotent and shows no understanding of the situation, especially for someone who's livelihood is being destroyed by it.
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He might be able to sue for tortious interference since heβs had to break a ton of contracts with his users so he probably wants some compensation for that, but Iβd need a real lawyerβs opinion like Penny Bardfinnius Oaken Esq. to be sure
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"I promised my users 10 apples a week for $5. Now the orchard where I stole the apples from put up a fence and I have to buy the apples from them. My contracts are no longer viable - thus I sue the orchard."
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are the 31 upvotes meta irony or are most of you actually r-slurred?
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Prolly just for the lawyer joke at the end.
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Looks like I'm the r-slur with low reading comprehension then
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i'll upvote pretty much anything
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I didn't upvote, but I'm definitely r-slurred.
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As a true and honest lawyer theres no way that I can make a contract with someone thats entirely dependent on a third party who agreed to none of this and then sue the third party if they ever try to update the thing im using
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It shows reddit in a bad light, not apollo. If reddit thinks they can make > $20 million in profit on Apollo users $10 million is a bargain.
If they think they can't actually make $20 million in profit, why would they charge Apollo that much?
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Why would they not? Apollo doesnβt benefit Reddit in any way. Itβs just a massive drain on their resources. It doesnβt serve their ads and it hammers them with requests.
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While apollo is almost certainly a big net drain having your website be browseable on a neat modern looking functional app is worth something. Shit, the official reddit app being complete shit is a bigger meme than old search used to be. Reddit is absolutely on the market to absorb a 3rd party app into the official one, this guy just asked for waaay too much.
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Itβs an opening offer. I bet he would accept 10-30% of that. It has to be worth something to Reddit since they totally fail at modern ui design. Reddit also sucks at business. I canβt wait to own Reddit shares and reportmaxx them to the SEC for not addressing my concerns. Iβm going to bring up the past of mods and admins and why that is a a concern to shareholders on earnings calls. I can not wait to be the most annoying Reddit owner
Read what I wrote above. Now picture in your head that I put a /s at the end. Good job sweaty!
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Yes, but then you own reddit.
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Lol you kids are dumb
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Itβs worth nothing. People can use the official app just fine and they probably will once Apollo shuts down.
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I use the reddit app just fine tbh
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No it isnβt lol
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I'm not convinced yet, I'd bet 10 dc it'll acquire one of the android apps.
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Right, exactly.
They were dishonest in wanting to work with Apollo. They wanted to give the impression of being supportive instead of just saying outright they wanted to shut it down.
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Even when you frame it like that, it still doesn't make sense, because reddit obviously knows that Apollo users will just switch to the official reddit app.
It's just stupid reasoning all around. I can only assume he's being purposefully ignorant towards them to try and get them to admit that their end goal is to just shut down all third party apps, but the way he's going about doing it is stupid. He should be more direct, asking specifically if they view his app as an asset that brings people to reddit, or if they view his app as a threat that needs to be shut down. Because if they lie to him and say they view it as an asset, he can directly attack them for acting against (what they claim to be) their own self interests by shutting the app down and not offering an affordable price.
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Remember API cost is also there to reduce maintenance cost by devs making more efficient apps
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Server cost by API usage, by reddit's own admission, is negligible.
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Well no. It is still a cost and there is no reason to drive that cost either by making API usage free.
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sure, pennies is a cost
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But they don't even say that. They say the damage Apollo inflicts on them is worth $20m.
And they have the option to bring those damages to 0 by either demanding $20m or paying him $10m.
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Youβre an idiot for sure
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In his defense, he's Canadian
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He wants them to buy his app doofus.
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They don't want his app lol, they want to kill it. How are people not getting this?
Reddit has an app, and it comes with ads that make them money. They're killing all other apps, for free, by enacting this policy. They don't need to buy him out.
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Well now youβre just pointing out the obvious.
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Neighbor thought he had some kind of leverage
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Well in a way, all the bad press Reddit is now getting is a kind of leverage.
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if he didn't they wouldn't try to calll him
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Well, no, they have a reason to call him: to tell him he needs to pay up.
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(((Lawyers))) are criminally expensive but it's still cheaper to have them send a letter with ChatGPT then have the CEO call someone
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I will allow you to pay me for stealing your services for an additional 6 months
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βNo? Fine I quit!β Leaves milllions in revenue to be βrightβ lol
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I'm still lost on this. It's Apollo's opportunity cost? Dude needs to stop watching streamer youtubes.
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Donβt ever let codecels talk with anyone in any capacity for any reason ever ever ever EVER.
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He's trying (badly) to make a deal but he's trying to leverage something he doesn't have. He's saying that Reddit can just give him $10 million for Apollo to stop making API calls, but they've already solved that problem by telling him that he has to pay and cutting him off otherwise. He has no leverage and didn't think this through at all.
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I thought he was trying to sell the apollo app to reddit which, while also a stupid idea, at least sounded ever so slightly smarter.
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I think he had opportunity. After all, he got them on the phone. He had their attention and an opportunity to pitch something. But he's saying he'll stop hitting their API for $10 million. That's just dumb.
I would have approached it with an offer to help integrate the tools into the official app. Work as an consultant and do a contract for a year or whatever length of time. They could still say no or maybe they come back with another offer. idk. Just musing really.
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Absolutely agree. This would have been the moment to sell himself as a developer to help them make better mod tools for their app or whatever.
But devs aren't known for forward thinking. That's usually my job.
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Based autist wrangler.
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Your approach would be logical and not r-slurred. You don't belong here nor on reddit.
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dude is probably just mad because he could have sold apollo to reddit (or someone else) if he had jumped earlier and asked for less, and instead he gets nothing
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The best bit's afterwards with the "quiet" term:
But then later we hear that the chadmins apparently "forgot" they apologized to him (or more likely a different chadmin didn't hear the call all the way through), and say he threatened them lol.
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At first I thought he was ESL and there was some language barrier, but dude speaks English just fine. lmao
I read this as a threat too but then he tried to say it's a joke as if he's taunting them. lol This is why codecels are not good business people! The very few who are good at this are making a shit ton of money because it's a rare find.
I absolutely love this shit and the whole process of making a deal, so I'm loving this shit! But it took me a really long time to be confident and good at talking to corporate suits.
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How did you read it as a threat? He's stating the obvious in a really dumb way.
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Seems vaguely threatening. Like he's gonna chimpout with his users if anything. Or turbo-spaz reddit with his app.
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He had already been doing that anyway. He was just doing a really passive "hey this app is for sale π€" message.
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Yeah, that probably was his intention, but he fricked it up the worst way.
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"I'm mostly joking", imagine saying that after asking a girl out. He seems like an insecure cringelord that turned an opportunity into a super awkward situation.
Then again, maybe the mods just wanted him on record asking for money to lose goodwill with the
community.
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If he had any balls, he'd change Apollo so that whenever you open it up, a giant pop-up containing Spez's home address appears.
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"It all goes away for $10 million" is a really bad way to approach this. lol
It goes away at $0 too. It would have been better to be more humble and offer something that they can use. Even so, he might lose but they just flat laughed at him. It's ok to lose but you gotta at least approach things with something to offer.
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He was offering them the app. Which admittedly isn't much, but it seems like Reddit was willing to talk to him for whatever reason in the first place.
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Yes, he got their attention. He should have made them an offer. An offer backed by something they could use. They can't use the app. They have an app. That's why I was musing that maybe he should have approached it in a way that gave them something to work with. Something like offering to help port Apollo tools to their app or something.
He has no leverage here, so it woulda been better to be more humble and bring something to the table. You can be confident and humble at the same time.
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Yeah he should have sold them on encouraging all his users to jump over to the official app and integrating all his cool features as part of the package. Basically what happened when Facebook bought Whatsapp, they immediately started adding tech from Whatsapp into their messenger app, which was trash in comparison.
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He didn't offer them the app. "If you want to rip that band-aid off once. And have Apollo quiet down" [...] " "I said "If you want Apollo to go quiet". I would say it's quite loud in terms of its API usage"
He offered to shut down the app that's all.
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What is he saying? That reddit should pay him for using their services?
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That's exactly what he's saying.
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It'd make more sense if Apollo dev was actually making $20 million and Reddit wanted a cut of it - but I assume Apollo makes no profit or income.
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Apollo serves its own ads and sells its own subscriptions!
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Heinous!
Thankfully rdrama, a bastion of integrity, does no such things. 
This website purely runs off of good feelings. 
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We don't only steal comments from other sites. We add our spin and Marseys to it. That's creation of value!
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And he's right.
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I feel like demanding 10 million from a billion dollar company that's shutting down your app at no cost and saying "bobs your uncle" should be at least a few sentences apart.
MBAcels get hated on by Reddit but this codecel clearly needs a competent business lead handling executive discussions like this. Well, needed. His app is dead. Lost decade. Nothing to show for it.
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Holy shit he put that chat out there to show it was his side that was misunderstood? Lmao. He CLEARLY meant that as a soy threat. Obviously the reddit person (whomever that was spez?) was like uh wtf you can't be serious and he tried to backtrack it. Got bullied trying to make a threat and he knows what he was trying to do.
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Do you have an archive?
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The archive I gave is the one from the original link. The new link just had the same text anyway, except he changed the name from "Ozzie" to "Reddit" probably to avoid reddit's potential doxxing rules. That's the only change I saw when I compared the texts.
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Yeah, I wrote that when the 1st link was already dead. Thanks for the 2nd one!
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dead link
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Second link and original link archive both work for me.
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