https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits?sort=controversial
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I don't get his point, still. Making Apollo pay is leading to it shutting down. That's Apollo gone without having to pay $10 million at all.
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It makes no sense at all, and there's so many gaps in logic here, so I definitely understand how someone who's most likely ESL would interpret this as a confusing threat.
He's saying that Apollo is being charged $20 million a year because that's what it costs Reddit to maintain it. That's obviously not true, and I think he knows that, but this isn't a "gotcha" because I don't think Reddit ever claimed that they were just charging these apps at-cost. Everyone knows this is a profit-based decision.
Not only that, but like you said, Apollo is being shut down by Reddit already. Why would they pay him $10 million for something that's naturally going to happen? Like even as a joke, this offer doesn't make any sense.
It's very impotent and shows no understanding of the situation, especially for someone who's livelihood is being destroyed by it.
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It shows reddit in a bad light, not apollo. If reddit thinks they can make > $20 million in profit on Apollo users $10 million is a bargain.
If they think they can't actually make $20 million in profit, why would they charge Apollo that much?
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Why would they not? Apollo doesnβt benefit Reddit in any way. Itβs just a massive drain on their resources. It doesnβt serve their ads and it hammers them with requests.
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While apollo is almost certainly a big net drain having your website be browseable on a neat modern looking functional app is worth something. Shit, the official reddit app being complete shit is a bigger meme than old search used to be. Reddit is absolutely on the market to absorb a 3rd party app into the official one, this guy just asked for waaay too much.
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Itβs an opening offer. I bet he would accept 10-30% of that. It has to be worth something to Reddit since they totally fail at modern ui design. Reddit also sucks at business. I canβt wait to own Reddit shares and reportmaxx them to the SEC for not addressing my concerns. Iβm going to bring up the past of mods and admins and why that is a a concern to shareholders on earnings calls. I can not wait to be the most annoying Reddit owner
Read what I wrote above. Now picture in your head that I put a /s at the end. Good job sweaty!
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Yes, but then you own reddit.
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the trick is to short them for the same amount to have 0 risk but still gain voting power. You might even get a huge loan for this since it is basically guaranteed to be +/-0%
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This is the best bad idea I've ever heard.
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Yes
Read what I wrote above. Now picture in your head that I put a /s at the end. Good job sweaty!
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Lol you kids are dumb
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Itβs worth nothing. People can use the official app just fine and they probably will once Apollo shuts down.
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I use the reddit app just fine tbh
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No it isnβt lol
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I'm not convinced yet, I'd bet 10 dc it'll acquire one of the android apps.
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So this is rdrama now eh. Strags admitting to being predditor mobile app users.
Cooooool
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Are you talking about me
I don't use reddit apps bro.
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Right, exactly.
They were dishonest in wanting to work with Apollo. They wanted to give the impression of being supportive instead of just saying outright they wanted to shut it down.
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Even when you frame it like that, it still doesn't make sense, because reddit obviously knows that Apollo users will just switch to the official reddit app.
It's just stupid reasoning all around. I can only assume he's being purposefully ignorant towards them to try and get them to admit that their end goal is to just shut down all third party apps, but the way he's going about doing it is stupid. He should be more direct, asking specifically if they view his app as an asset that brings people to reddit, or if they view his app as a threat that needs to be shut down. Because if they lie to him and say they view it as an asset, he can directly attack them for acting against (what they claim to be) their own self interests by shutting the app down and not offering an affordable price.
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Remember API cost is also there to reduce maintenance cost by devs making more efficient apps
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Server cost by API usage, by reddit's own admission, is negligible.
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Well no. It is still a cost and there is no reason to drive that cost either by making API usage free.
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sure, pennies is a cost
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Isn't that why Reddit charges API in pennies?
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They're going to charge two orders of magnitude more than it costs them.
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Not anymore
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But they don't even say that. They say the damage Apollo inflicts on them is worth $20m.
And they have the option to bring those damages to 0 by either demanding $20m or paying him $10m.
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Youβre an idiot for sure
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He might be able to sue for tortious interference since heβs had to break a ton of contracts with his users so he probably wants some compensation for that, but Iβd need a real lawyerβs opinion like Penny Bardfinnius Oaken Esq. to be sure
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"I promised my users 10 apples a week for $5. Now the orchard where I stole the apples from put up a fence and I have to buy the apples from them. My contracts are no longer viable - thus I sue the orchard."
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are the 31 upvotes meta irony or are most of you actually r-slurred?
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Prolly just for the lawyer joke at the end.
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Looks like I'm the r-slur with low reading comprehension then
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i'll upvote pretty much anything
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I didn't upvote, but I'm definitely r-slurred.
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As a true and honest lawyer theres no way that I can make a contract with someone thats entirely dependent on a third party who agreed to none of this and then sue the third party if they ever try to update the thing im using
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In his defense, he's Canadian
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He wants them to buy his app doofus.
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They don't want his app lol, they want to kill it. How are people not getting this?
Reddit has an app, and it comes with ads that make them money. They're killing all other apps, for free, by enacting this policy. They don't need to buy him out.
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Well now youβre just pointing out the obvious.
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Neighbor thought he had some kind of leverage
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Well in a way, all the bad press Reddit is now getting is a kind of leverage.
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if he didn't they wouldn't try to calll him
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Well, no, they have a reason to call him: to tell him he needs to pay up.
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(((Lawyers))) are criminally expensive but it's still cheaper to have them send a letter with ChatGPT then have the CEO call someone
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It's opportunity cost, not realized cost. Reddit could be making $20 million off of the users on Apollo, that doesn't mean they're saving $20 million if Apollo shuts off.
So you can see they were never serious or honest. If you take what reddit says at face value, buying Apollo out for $10 million is FREE $10 million in profit ($20 mil - $10 mil).
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That business degree is really paying off isn't it?
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No, r-slur, I'm just not sub 80 IQ like you.
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Aww, tenderqueer is pretty thin skinned today
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Mate, do I know you?
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creepy dramatard stalkers smh
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This assumes Apollo users will pay, doesn't it? At the moment Reddit just has a tonne of lost ad revenue to Apollo users. Presumably if enough of them are forced to switch to the proper Reddit app they'll start seeing ads and start making Reddit money. If everyone was willing to pay for every service they use online then there'd be no need for this huge industry based on advertising.
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Virtually no one is willing too pay. Apple users are still more willing too pay than Android though. Apple has about half the global install base of Google Play devices, but the App Store still consistently generates more than double the Play Store's revenue, it's been thatbway since the figures started being compared over a decade ago.
Reddit will still make more money from the influx of users seeing ads, but Apollo being iOS based means that a higher percentage may pony some money up.
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More proof that android is for poor
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Paying Apollo makes no sense. What would you pay them for? To shut down? Reddit can shut them down for free.
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That's clear to everyone now. The part that's scummy on reddit is that they lied about their intentions and then slandered the dev. If they came out and stated they wanted to kill Apollo, they'd have way less blowback if they just said it straight up.
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