It makes no sense at all, and there's so many gaps in logic here, so I definitely understand how someone who's most likely ESL would interpret this as a confusing threat.
He's saying that Apollo is being charged $20 million a year because that's what it costs Reddit to maintain it. That's obviously not true, and I think he knows that, but this isn't a "gotcha" because I don't think Reddit ever claimed that they were just charging these apps at-cost. Everyone knows this is a profit-based decision.
Not only that, but like you said, Apollo is being shut down by Reddit already. Why would they pay him $10 million for something that's naturally going to happen? Like even as a joke, this offer doesn't make any sense.
It's very impotent and shows no understanding of the situation, especially for someone who's livelihood is being destroyed by it.
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Why would they not? Apollo doesnβt benefit Reddit in any way. Itβs just a massive drain on their resources. It doesnβt serve their ads and it hammers them with requests.
While apollo is almost certainly a big net drain having your website be browseable on a neat modern looking functional app is worth something. Shit, the official reddit app being complete shit is a bigger meme than old search used to be. Reddit is absolutely on the market to absorb a 3rd party app into the official one, this guy just asked for waaay too much.
Itβs an opening offer. I bet he would accept 10-30% of that. It has to be worth something to Reddit since they totally fail at modern ui design. Reddit also sucks at business. I canβt wait to own Reddit shares and reportmaxx them to the SEC for not addressing my concerns. Iβm going to bring up the past of mods and admins and why that is a a concern to shareholders on earnings calls. I can not wait to be the most annoying Reddit owner
Read what I wrote above. Now picture in your head that I put a /s at the end. Good job sweaty!
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the trick is to short them for the same amount to have 0 risk but still gain voting power. You might even get a huge loan for this since it is basically guaranteed to be +/-0%
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Why would they not? Apollo doesnβt benefit Reddit in any way.
Right, exactly.
They were dishonest in wanting to work with Apollo. They wanted to give the impression of being supportive instead of just saying outright they wanted to shut it down.
If reddit thinks they can make > $20 million in profit on Apollo users $10 million is a bargain.
Even when you frame it like that, it still doesn't make sense, because reddit obviously knows that Apollo users will just switch to the official reddit app.
It's just stupid reasoning all around. I can only assume he's being purposefully ignorant towards them to try and get them to admit that their end goal is to just shut down all third party apps, but the way he's going about doing it is stupid. He should be more direct, asking specifically if they view his app as an asset that brings people to reddit, or if they view his app as a threat that needs to be shut down. Because if they lie to him and say they view it as an asset, he can directly attack them for acting against (what they claim to be) their own self interests by shutting the app down and not offering an affordable price.
He might be able to sue for tortious interference since heβs had to break a ton of contracts with his users so he probably wants some compensation for that, but Iβd need a real lawyerβs opinion like Penny Bardfinnius Oaken Esq. to be sure
"I promised my users 10 apples a week for $5. Now the orchard where I stole the apples from put up a fence and I have to buy the apples from them. My contracts are no longer viable - thus I sue the orchard."
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As a true and honest lawyer theres no way that I can make a contract with someone thats entirely dependent on a third party who agreed to none of this and then sue the third party if they ever try to update the thing im using
They don't want his app lol, they want to kill it. How are people not getting this?
Reddit has an app, and it comes with ads that make them money. They're killing all other apps, for free, by enacting this policy. They don't need to buy him out.
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It makes no sense at all, and there's so many gaps in logic here, so I definitely understand how someone who's most likely ESL would interpret this as a confusing threat.
He's saying that Apollo is being charged $20 million a year because that's what it costs Reddit to maintain it. That's obviously not true, and I think he knows that, but this isn't a "gotcha" because I don't think Reddit ever claimed that they were just charging these apps at-cost. Everyone knows this is a profit-based decision.
Not only that, but like you said, Apollo is being shut down by Reddit already. Why would they pay him $10 million for something that's naturally going to happen? Like even as a joke, this offer doesn't make any sense.
It's very impotent and shows no understanding of the situation, especially for someone who's livelihood is being destroyed by it.
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It shows reddit in a bad light, not apollo. If reddit thinks they can make > $20 million in profit on Apollo users $10 million is a bargain.
If they think they can't actually make $20 million in profit, why would they charge Apollo that much?
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Why would they not? Apollo doesnβt benefit Reddit in any way. Itβs just a massive drain on their resources. It doesnβt serve their ads and it hammers them with requests.
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While apollo is almost certainly a big net drain having your website be browseable on a neat modern looking functional app is worth something. Shit, the official reddit app being complete shit is a bigger meme than old search used to be. Reddit is absolutely on the market to absorb a 3rd party app into the official one, this guy just asked for waaay too much.
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No it isnβt lol
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I'm not convinced yet, I'd bet 10 dc it'll acquire one of the android apps.
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So this is rdrama now eh. Strags admitting to being predditor mobile app users.
Cooooool
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Are you talking about me
I don't use reddit apps bro.
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I totally believe you.
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Itβs an opening offer. I bet he would accept 10-30% of that. It has to be worth something to Reddit since they totally fail at modern ui design. Reddit also sucks at business. I canβt wait to own Reddit shares and reportmaxx them to the SEC for not addressing my concerns. Iβm going to bring up the past of mods and admins and why that is a a concern to shareholders on earnings calls. I can not wait to be the most annoying Reddit owner
Read what I wrote above. Now picture in your head that I put a /s at the end. Good job sweaty!![:marseygigaretard: :marseygigaretard:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseygigaretard.webp)
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Yes, but then you own reddit.
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the trick is to short them for the same amount to have 0 risk but still gain voting power. You might even get a huge loan for this since it is basically guaranteed to be +/-0%
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This is the best bad idea I've ever heard.
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Read what I wrote above. Now picture in your head that I put a /s at the end. Good job sweaty!![:marseygigaretard: :marseygigaretard:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseygigaretard.webp)
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Lol you kids are dumb
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Itβs worth nothing. People can use the official app just fine and they probably will once Apollo shuts down.
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I use the reddit app just fine tbh
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Right, exactly.
They were dishonest in wanting to work with Apollo. They wanted to give the impression of being supportive instead of just saying outright they wanted to shut it down.
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Even when you frame it like that, it still doesn't make sense, because reddit obviously knows that Apollo users will just switch to the official reddit app.
It's just stupid reasoning all around. I can only assume he's being purposefully ignorant towards them to try and get them to admit that their end goal is to just shut down all third party apps, but the way he's going about doing it is stupid. He should be more direct, asking specifically if they view his app as an asset that brings people to reddit, or if they view his app as a threat that needs to be shut down. Because if they lie to him and say they view it as an asset, he can directly attack them for acting against (what they claim to be) their own self interests by shutting the app down and not offering an affordable price.
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Remember API cost is also there to reduce maintenance cost by devs making more efficient apps
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Server cost by API usage, by reddit's own admission, is negligible.
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Well no. It is still a cost and there is no reason to drive that cost either by making API usage free.
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sure, pennies is a cost
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Isn't that why Reddit charges API in pennies?
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They're going to charge two orders of magnitude more than it costs them.
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Still in pennies
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You have zero clue what it costs Reddit. And youβd be r-slurred to not charge more than it costs you.
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Not anymore
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0.24 sounds like 24 pennies
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But they don't even say that. They say the damage Apollo inflicts on them is worth $20m.
And they have the option to bring those damages to 0 by either demanding $20m or paying him $10m.
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Youβre an idiot for sure
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He might be able to sue for tortious interference since heβs had to break a ton of contracts with his users so he probably wants some compensation for that, but Iβd need a real lawyerβs opinion like Penny Bardfinnius Oaken Esq. to be sure
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"I promised my users 10 apples a week for $5. Now the orchard where I stole the apples from put up a fence and I have to buy the apples from them. My contracts are no longer viable - thus I sue the orchard."
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are the 31 upvotes meta irony or are most of you actually r-slurred?
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Prolly just for the lawyer joke at the end.
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Looks like I'm the r-slur with low reading comprehension then![:marseyshroom: :marseyshroom:](/e/marseyshroom.webp)
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i'll upvote pretty much anything
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I didn't upvote, but I'm definitely r-slurred.
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As a true and honest lawyer theres no way that I can make a contract with someone thats entirely dependent on a third party who agreed to none of this and then sue the third party if they ever try to update the thing im using
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In his defense, he's Canadian
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He wants them to buy his app doofus.
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They don't want his app lol, they want to kill it. How are people not getting this?
Reddit has an app, and it comes with ads that make them money. They're killing all other apps, for free, by enacting this policy. They don't need to buy him out.
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Well now youβre just pointing out the obvious.
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