In November 2023 my sister purchased a 2015 Kia Sedona. The milage at time of purchase was 100,458mi. At 105,227 miles she experienced no heat coming from the HVAC system and dropped the car off with a local shop. The shop, upon noticing severe oil intermix in the coolant, diagnosed a failed head gasket.
I thought this was odd, since she hadn't experienced any overheating, and decided to research what could cause the issue. During this I discovered the problem with soft castings on KIA/Hyundai 3.3L V6 engines causing the head bolts to work their way out, taking the threads with them. The local shop was not equipped to deal with something of that magnitude, so we had the van towed back to her house.
Upon extensive research and contacting several KIA dealerships, I learned there are a few options moving forward.
• Option one is to replace the engine with a new one. The most expensive option. I also understand there is a long waiting list to acquire one.
• Option two would be to install a used engine. The risk of this being unknown maintenance, as well as the fact that the head bolts could similarly go at any moment.
• The final option would be to remedy the issue on the existing engine, which involves drilling out the bad threads and replacing them with steel inserts. While there is always the chance of the inserts failing, the cost of the procedure is much lower than that of a replacement engine and in my own opinion less risky than gambling on a used engine.
I also understand that Kia is aware of the problem. They used the same engine in the 2016-2017 Sorrento and just recently extended the warranty to 15 years / 180k miles to all owners, specifically to address this issue.
My sister is self-employed, and the Kia is her only form of transportation. She also just barely qualified for the loan, and doesn't have much, if any, money to work with. She needs a working car and cannot wait to see if KIA decides to recall the Sedona in the future. Because of this, I have agreed to help her out with the repairs.
We decided that option three, installing inserts, was the best choice given the circumstances. The problem with option three was finding somebody to perform the work. I contacted twelve separate shops in the Lexington area, and none showed interest in performing the work.
After around two weeks of internal debate and assessing my abilities, I decided to travel from Michigan down to Kentucky in order to perform the job myself. It took about a week to get everything ordered and all of my cowtools packed up, and just over seven hours to drive down.
While digging into the engine I discovered signs that a head gasket had already been replaced on this car. There was excessive sealant on the water pump and timing chain guide surfaces. Bearing journals were engraved with their positions, “KIA LEFT HEAD” was written in marker on the left head. I believe the previous owner experienced a bad head gasket and had it replaced without accounting for the bad head bolt threads. It was then traded in and sold on to become our problem.
Here are some more photos from the disassembly:
Also managed to strip the head on one Allen bolt, one that was in too tight of a spot to fit an extractor. Thankfully I brought my tiny welder and was able to tack a 6mm bit to it.
I had to remove the bumper and a bit of the exhaust but finally was able to get the heads off and confirm my suspiscions. Three of the head bolts took the block threads with them. Also some borescope photos of a good hole and a hole that's been stripped. I've been making sure to document this thoroughly in case I have a chance in the future to get some compensation from KIA.
With the heads off I'm able to drill out the old, weak holes, and thread them to accept stainless inserts, which then provide me with some reinforced, freshly threaded holes to grip those head bolts.
And finally here's what a rethreaded hole with an insert looks like:
Then all that was left was to reassemble everything back in the order I took everything apart. Flush the oil and coolant, fill with fresh, and start her up.
If you have a 2015-2017 Kia and are experiencing head gasket issues, I highly recommend doing this procedure. Anyone with a decent set of cowtools can tackle this in a day or two.
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I thought you came from money? Why doesn't your sis get any? Hoe phased too hard?
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She was bad.
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The fact that an unemployed raccoon enthusiast who negs women on an Egyptian KGB-run news aggregator was the good child says it all.
You do know how to fix shit so that's honestly pretty handy
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The weld is why id never let him near my property, and Poorcel fake fixes that cost you in the long run
His fam is redneck new money -- the worst but go off
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How is that a fake fix? I welded the fastener to a stripped bit to remove it and replaced it with a new bolt. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Because im talking out my butt
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how bad
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Faked going to college, DUIs, destroyed property.
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kill her
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you can fix her
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i alrdy have someone im fixing, or rather im the one being fixed
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You can fix more than one if she lets you
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Transb-word?
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Carp
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Thats so fricking sweet Omg
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Its totes fetch
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kill him
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can you marry and fix me too?
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!slots177
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Fak u duddy, and I go marry Egyptcel.
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Im also egyptian did u know that?
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um Did anyone ask???
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Are you taught how to write in hieroglyphs in school?
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How did she fake going to college?
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Yea wut? I'm guessing failed out and never told parents
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Started on scholarship, and Daddy paid for apartment, and ... profit???
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She just never attended classes while my parents continued to pay for them and for her living expenses.
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speak your truth king
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She just never attended classes while my parents continued to pay for them and for her living expenses.
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She just never attended classes while my parents continued to pay for them and for her living expenses.
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Oh wow lol
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That sounds cool tho
Black trans lives matter
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Here are some animals I experienced during my time in Kentucky.
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That pigeon looks very polite
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Wow a drama user that knows what a tack weld means and can actually do that?
Also
Lol
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I replaced the busted transmission on my 1983 corolla when I was 17. We aren't all nuerodivergent codecels lol
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A HG replacement is a whole different ballgame, especially with thread repair. You might have to deck the head and possibly even the block. @WootFatigue thinks it's easy because he's a wrench god. The vast majority of normies cannot do what he does.
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Yea I've done a head repair on my old 7MGE Cressida, and some other engine tear downs on my shitboxes over the years.
Its fun when it's a project. Not so fun when it's your only car and youve gotta get to work on Monday
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We should get a hole for manly things where we show and tell about our manliness
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/H/manhole when??
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we already have biofoids
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What's the best way to learn, if I'm a codecel with little mechanical experience?
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You can start by doing basic maintenance like oil changes on your car. It seems daunting at first but most mechanics are sub90 IQ and they manage, so you'll be fine.
I started on the cowtools before YouTube was really a thing, but there's probably lots of helpful channels these days that you can learn the basics from
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I'm sub 30 IQ sir
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Just try things out, you will learn with time
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I need practice to figure out how to be a mechanic
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Like with anything else I'll have to put some elbow grease in to learn I guess
Part of my procrastination is that as a city slicker I don't have a lot of room to work on my car, but as the wife and I look to buy a house in the countryside I want to be more autonomous.
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Get a car that you like. Then, take care of it. Ask lots of questions, be very curious. Ask any wrenchcel.
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Get an older simple car with a good following and start on basic tasks (oil changes, filters etc) and work your way up gradually from there. Doesn't need to be a classic just pre everything getting electronic and engine bays getting really cramped. Something early 90s like a mk1/2 Miata, Mk2 Golf or foxbody Mustang would give you a good mix of usability, ease of work and availability of parts and knowledge
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Is 2010/2011 too late?
I know that at some point computerization of cars make then tougher to manipulate.
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Unless you are driving something exotic or overly complex you should be ok, especially if you are just starting out with the basics. I think the main thing would be to look up the community around the car, forums, YouTube etc. and see if there's people talking about or making guides for the sort of things you'd want to do. I'd see if Haynes or someone similar do a manual for the car as well, they have step by step guides for pretty much everything. I've found them really useful
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Cheers, thanks for the info!
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No it's not. Those are great years
Don't listen to oldstrags who tell you to get a pre-2000 car. OBD made it much easier to diagnose things
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OBD as in on-board diagnosis?
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Yes. Buy a cheap code reader if you don't already have one. Or spend a little more on a VCDS if you have something under the Volkswagen AG umbrella (VW Audi Porsche etc) (not strictly required for VAG cars but they show more info than a basic code reader and allow u to change firmware settings).
However if you're too poor to drop $20 on one, most auto parts stores will let you use theirs for free. They assume it will lead to you buying parts from them but you aren't obligated to.
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Buy a BMW with 100,000 miles on it.
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ok so if you have a property with a bunch of old cars sitting around its easy
watch 'revival' videos figure out the steps and get an old rusted out shtbox moving again its bretty satisfying
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Something with a paperback service manual would be cool. Then fix things as it breaks. My dad taught me a bit but YouTube has been an incredible resource for me. Some guys have fantastic channels like Scotty Kilmer and fordtechmoko or whatever. The latter dude is the fricking triton engine whisperer. Maybe just watch some of his videos for fun to see the cusp of computer assisted maintenance and auto mechanics.
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Thanks!
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That rethreaded hole
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none of this made any economic sense, your sister grifted you successfully and the raccoons partyrocked while you were gone
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How r-slurred is your sister????
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Neat
Sucks that all she could afford was a 100,000 mile KIA but I'm sure she's glad you were able fix it
My shitty Subaru is only 10 years old and has 145,000 miles on it and I've had to replace the transmission valve body already. Apparently it was a pretty big issue, https://www.subaruoutback.org/threads/valve-body-replacement.517870/ Not that Subarus are particularly reliable, but if this is what they get I can't imagine how many shitty Nissans and Jeeps and Kia's keep the repair shops of the US in business
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Total Subaru-owner Death but go off
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This is homophobic!
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I know someone who I think is going through exactly the same shit with their outback, it's very expensive
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Kobaltcels get the wall
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Gotta get the red ones, they drill faster.
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Keyed and Milwaukee-pilled
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DeWalt cels in SHAMBLES
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I use like all Milwaukee stuff but it's my career. Cheaper stuff at home isn't a bad idea. Do you really need Hilti stuff for occasional home stuff?
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LPT: Don't buy a Kia.
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Kias are the goddarn worst cars. Good wrenchin bud
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The Koreans have gotten a lot better over the last 20 years but they never seem to be able to consistently make reliable engines, every model seems to have at least one option that will grenade itself early
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Its part of the kia experience
, you always drive under the fear that the weird noise you just heard , means the headgasket is going airborne at any moment. Keeps you awake and alert!
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so I fix my AC and get measly upmarseys and the very same day ur repair post gets pinned and does numbers
I guess the pics do make all the difference. who wouldv'e thought
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you need marseys
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Holy shit, you're still at it?
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It took like five straight days of work.
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Extracted broken bolt pictures are our version of fish pictures. I have never used Tinder, but I imagine, if I did, I would have several photos of recalcitrant bolts I defeated.
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poors deserve this and worse
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Yup, it's fricked. Burn everything and start over. Or just buy a new Kia I guess
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you should collaborate with @1 for a youtube video lol
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What a wild ride.
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Kino
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Nice work man. I don't mind working on my families cars but if that was my sisters car I would have told her to have a boat ramp accident for the insurance payout
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love wootfatigue posts. im not even into car shit
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kia sorento
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Sedona but go off
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Bro you should have her sell the car full disclosure and buy a Toyota or Honda, right after the tax time car time ends. She could get a deal, as the market is about to collapse. Good job doing the head gasket, did this on my car recently.
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