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Ben Shapiro on Medicare and Social Security: "No one in the United States should be retiring at 65 years old. Frankly, I think retirement itself is a stupid idea unless you have some sort of health problem." pic.twitter.com/hpOzS7q4V1
— Media Matters (@mmfa) March 12, 2024
Even other rightoids don't like it:
Oh hi @The_Homocracy:
Who then has to battle rightoids to defend his position:
Cbf linking them all Ben retweeted them so they are on his profile.
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Anyone receiving bribes from the gubbimant should lose the franchise. Obvious conflict of interest.
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Everything he said is true
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If I'm not getting a refund on my SS taxes everyone younger than me has to keep paying
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Stay in the cage you stupid, goy, wagie!
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he's obviously right. anyone who wants to retire early can save their own money and just do it. there's no good reason why old people need welfare
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but muh government promises.
but muh safety net
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I prefer just scrapping social security all together
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A ponzi scheme so blatant it would make Bernie Madoff (RIP King) blush
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As many have pointed out, this only works for people with non-physical jobs. You won't find many able carpenters in their 70s, and even fewer willing.
In an ideal world, people could gradually go from active field work to mentoring/managerial positions (depending on personality and intellect) as they get older. But that's not how the system is designed.
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There is no design. Fix your own career, r-slur
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That's what you get for your shitty opinion
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Nice
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Average life expectancy when you control for infant mortality has always been in the 70s; the r-slur logic of โlifespans have increased by X% and this drives the unsustainabilityโ shouldn't be taken seriously.
The reality is that we should be investing social security trusts into stock indices so that the amount we have can keep pace with the historic upward pressure on cost-of-living that happens as a result of economic growth, primarily new tech advancements
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We should also increase your taxes to compensate for lower prices from productivity gains.
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They already increase with the rise of average incomes since they're %-based
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Does he not know people pay into social
security?!?
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I've paid into social security - I'm sure that money will be there for me when I retire.
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Social Security reform never happen because the youth think the question is whether they will retire at 65 or 70, when the actual question is whether they will retire with two digits in their age or three.
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How life expectancy calculated? Fricking r-slur. Get rid of infant and childhood mortality and life expectancy hasn't gotten better since the Roman Empire.
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this sounds r-slurred but you said it with your chest and im lazy so im gonna let it roll
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ROME!
THIS POST RESTS ON NATIVE LAND OWNED BY OBESE GOTH BITCHES
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What a bunch of r-slurs and r-slurred takes. So glad the internet isn't real life. What does Ben Shapiro actually do? Nothing. He doesn't impact the world. He's an entertainer. A journ*list.
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axe social security and shrinking birth rates stop being a problem
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Its kinda funny and is another perfect example of rightwingers, which, just like leftwingers, only know talking points yet never realize their own hypocrisy when their talking points cross wires.
"No! We need SS for our retirees or they'll die!" "Yes the system is broken but thats not the point!"
SS is a fricking scam and everyone paying into it now will only ever get a fraction of that back. The US Gov has been dipping into SS to get money to fund its pet projects while giving seniors an IOU that they're never going be alive enough to cash that in, leaving us with the bill.
Everyone on SS should be grandfathered in and they get their stipend until they die. No new SS people. Its been like 30+ years of public knowledge that SS sucks, if your retirement plan involves living off on only SS today you deserve to die from your own poor financial choices.
You're literally better off with an automated 401k or even a high yield savings account where you'd put the money taxed for SS to go into for 30-40+ years. At least its your fricking money and the government cant hold it over your head as easily as your SS
"balance."
Frick yes please. And yes it is because I make a lot of money. Frick poor people.
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Social security is a mandatory system because irresponsible and incapable people don't prepare for the unknown. It's a bare-minimum safety net to take care of the neediest.
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Then why doesn't government make it (a) opt-in, (b) mandatory for people without any savings accounts, (c) require x% into a savings account, and (d) allow ownership over that savings account to, you know, one donating?
Because it's not about forcing poor people to save. It's a special income tax with a loose promise to pay out some unknown amount of money in the future.
C'mon, sweaty....
You too,
@The_Homocracy. Your ideal vision of how SS works is not relevant to the real world.
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It's
A: about making everyone chip in to help support the lowest of the low
s in your country, if you know poor people you know 75% of them would starve to death within one week of having to retire if it didn't exist.
B: granting a huge pool of money to the government, don't worry, it's gonna be there for you eventually
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Because dumbasses will choose not to pay for it, then not put anything into retirement, then the government will have to pay to take care of them anyway, because dumbass people have dumbass children.
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You know how SS already takes out money from their paycheck?
Yes sweaty, the same thing will happen to those who don't qualify for opting out.
Why is reading so hard for you people?
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Because r-slurs like you grow up and society has to step in and take care of you at adult assisted living homes lest you hurt yourself and others. There is a bare-minimum benefit everybody gets regardless of paying into the system (healthcare) and a scaled pension when you retire or become disabled. These are pretty critical and are universal benefits available across the world via statute or tribal laws/culture. "It takes a village." I'm wasting my time serious posting though
13.5% tax is very reasonable for a safety net you don't immediately see. I wish I had my money. I probably won't get a 100% ROI from 65-85 or whenever I die. But just like roads in the midwest and rail lines across the country I still benefit from being taxed to help fund those systems (and so do you) even if I don't use them.
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They can still require r-slurs without savings to have a savings account. Heck, they could even improve the system and increase well-being for everyone. But they don't because it's not really about savings for poors. It's a special income tax.
There's bullshit, and then there's reality.
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How are you going to monitor and decide if every fricking citizen is saving enough for retirement to qualify for an opt out? How can you be sure that they will actually use that money for retirement instead of blowing it on something stupid?
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Calculate what they already pay out to poors through the current SS system. If that future amount would require too much of their current income percentage-wise, then supplement it with welfare subsidies (as they already do). That's the bare minimum. If you're already saving enough to meet this bare minimum (which pretty everyone does if they max out their IRA), then you can opt-out.
Penalize them, like government does for anything when people don't follow its rules. They can take (and have taken) money from your bank account. They can freeze assets. They can do all sorts of things, so I don't see what the problem is with compliance.
Even under the current system, you can ask the same question too.
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So you want the IRS to expand and have more power? You want to get rid of a relatively simple system that is adequate for one that is more complicated, probably won't work, and requires more government oversight.
This is ignoring the fact that they already blew their money on something stupid. So you are going to fine these r-slurs who already now don't have a enough to provide for themselves due to dumb money decisions, and the government now has to take care of them.
Again, you are the reason why society needs a social security system.
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No, and it doesn't need to.
It isn't. And it's wasteful in terms of its stated goals.
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You opt-in with your citizenship and may opt-out if you'd like.
Making it optional is r-slurred. Reread what I said. If you'd like to learn more read about the new deal and the great depression.
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The bare minimum can come from taxes (you know, how welfare and its subsidies work). It doesn't need to be set as an additional income tax while also "wasting" money paying out to SS accounts that don't need the money.
This really isn't hard to understand. It acts as a special income tax. It's not called that because gullible people like nice sounding sentiments even when they don't tract with reality.
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It's a public health and safety program. It isn't strictly a retirement program for people of old age. Everybody benefits so everybody pays. It is a tax. Anybody that says otherwise is probably an r-slur with an agenda like neoconservatives.
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Frick em.
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That's a thought. Also, however, social security helps keep the neediest off the streets and reduces crime. Obviously it leaves something to be desired.
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You never seen Kensington or any street in philly?
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Yes I have. Those are the most mentally-ill, criminally-minded, and addicted people that need more than just social security. Many of them use their benefits to subsidize their lifestyle. Some cool bars around there, though.
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65 year olds aren't going to be robbing people and committing B&Es 'just to get by'.
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Actually they have and do. The homeless could walk around spreading leprosy. Ideally they live in a social-security funded old folks home if they have nowhere else to go.
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What shithole do you live in that leprosy is a thing? Also it's curable, with costs covered by the WHO. And if these people have the strength and ability to wander about while disease ridden then surely they can still work.
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It's an expressional example sweaty
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you will never reach a place where the "em" getting fricked makes your life better. the more fricked they get the more shitty they are to be around, and the more of em there will be
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They're only around because we keep giving them hand outs that we can't afford.
Stop giving hand outs and they drop like flies.
Problem solves itself.
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my man that is the exact type of wishfull thinking bullshit i was trying to point at. You fricking think they will just die quietly and no more will be in their wake? i have a bridge in manhattan im trying to sell.
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Sell me guns and bullets instead and you got yourself a new sport.
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me too buddy
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Counterpoint: people are stupid so the government needs to save for them or otherwise we'll have a bunch of old people dying in the streets like before SS. I don't want to have to look at more poors on my way to work
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New solution: reimplement chattel system where we wont see them because we've put them to work in the mines where they can't be seen.
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Oh great, they get CLOTHES on the tax payer's dime. Do we not have any deeper mines to shove their unclothed forms into?
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All them words won't bring your pa back.
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