Nelson Mandela as receiver of the Nobel Peace Prize, is well regarded both internationally and domestically in South Africa, as one of the main arbiters of the Democratization of South Africa, and one of the main people responsible for avoiding a bloody carnage in a civil war post-Apartheid; while the majority of ANC high-ranking members, like the ever famous Jacob Zuma, preached bloody vengeance, Nelson had been more pragmatic and would lead his party within the legal framework of the existing system, and instead preside over something known as a Truth and Reconciliation Commission ( something which absolutely upset fricking everyone in RSA since, including all races) but that's another story, all to retain peace and transition the country into a democratic republic.
Point is that Nelson would avoid a truly calamitous fate for everyone involved, with his clemency to the white race, and ironically preaching much more practical and restrained retorhic than his past self pre-imprisonment from 30 years firebrand-self prior. The rest you can read, him being hailed a hero, and everyone in the 90s thinking with the fall of communism, and the abolishment of tyrannical regimes the world over, that we were all heading for a golden age of prosperity and tolerance - oooh boy. Because even during Nelson Mandela's extremely nepotistic, if not well run and intended to be benevolent reign, cracks were already beginning to show, through which the dysfunctional future of RSA could be gleaned.
But, one thing which wasn't as well regarded as Nelson Mandela, was his wife!
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/4/3/who-was-south-africas-winnie-mandela
While his it seems that Nelson Mandela's hatred of the white-race had appeared to have cooled during his 27-year long prison sentence on Robben Island, where he appeared to have acquired wisdom, tolerance and patience in his older years, his wife Winnie Mandela would retain her ardent hatred of Boers, Bongs and the white race entire till the end of her life.
She was married to the human rights icon from 1958 until their divorce in 1996. With much rumour and speculation being on the fact that their fundamental disagreement between Mandela's clemency towards whites post-Apartheid, and Nelson's politics to focus on bringing the country towards peace and avoiding violence, and that this disagreement would be a spike in their relationship; where Nelson had grown past the desire for revenge and desired Reconciliation even against those who wronged him, as he saw the way winds were blowing economically, but that Winnie had not - and was constantly pestering Mandela throughout his reign as president to actively punish whites as severely as that done in Haiti and Zimbabwe.
All of this was only rumour and speculation, but for today's dramapost we are going to go over Winnie Mandela, and why she was a longstanding controversial figure throughout her life during the Republic of South Africa's existence, until she finally died at 81, in 2018.
WINNIE MANDELA INTRO:
When Mandela and Winnie separated, the official reason given was that she was accused of infidelity.
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“She kept the memory of her imprisoned husband Nelson Mandela alive during his years on Robben Island and helped give the struggle for justice in South Africa one its most recognizable faces,” the family said.
[TRANSLATION: She was a clout hungry whore who banked on the name of her ex-husband ]
“She dedicated most of her adult life to the cause of the people and for this was known far and wide as the Mother Of The Nation,” it said.
Her controversial reputation stemmed from harsh comments that appeared to promote violence and were critical of her famous ex-husband, along with accusations of murder and a conviction for bank fraud.
Jesse Jackson, the American civil rights leader, told USA TODAY that the former South Africa first lady was a “huge force” in the Free South Africa movement who deserves credit for helping to keep the anti-apartheid push strong during her husband's 27 years in prison.[HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Nos she fricking wasn't lmoa, she never even obtained any real politcal power or substantial cultural influence ]
“She was the face and voice of the movement,” Jackson said of her husband's years in prison. “It was her voice and her courage and her risk that kept them alive for those years.”
[Holy hells the arrogance - she literally grifted her way over the years, into saying she was a surrogate leader for Mandela's ANC faction in his absence - which if you knew the ANC history, which many ANC youth members themselves don't know, is pure nonsense. ]
Winnie Madikizela-Mandela joined the struggle to end apartheid after working as a hospital social worker in the 1950s. Around that time, she met her future husband, who was a lawyer and human rights activist. After he was arrested for his political activities, she raised two young daughters alone.
She campaigned for his release and to rally support in South Africa and internationally for the anti-apartheid movement. She was also imprisoned and tortured, and she faced constant security threats. [Now this part is actually true]
When apartheid ended, she became a member of Parliament and served as deputy minister of arts and culture.
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WINNIE'S ABUSE BY POLICE:
Now here comes the heart and source of the matter, and the cause for Winnie's burning hatred of the white-race, to an extent even much more than most black peeps having lived under Apartheid, and were often just glad to be able to study as they please, not be restricted by race-laws - instead Winnie's hatred often was extreme even for her black contemporaries, not just men arguing clemency like Mandela and Bishop Tutu.
Remember the very scary BOSS - the The Buro vir Staatsveiligheid/Bureau of State Security, which was the all powerful anti-espionage national organization which ruthlessly crushed anti-Apartheid sentiment and actions by both black and white citizens of South Africa; well these men would continuously chase after activists, imprison political leaders, and use brutal tactics to suppress freedom fighters or anything they perceived as a threat for the NP regime. Of course none of you cowtools read the fricking post
https://rdrama.net/post/256515/marseyflagsouthafrica-muldergate-the-south-african-watergate
South African police and BOSS operatives arrested her in 1969 under the Suppression of Terrorism Act, and she spent more than a year in solitary confinement, where she was abused during interrogations for whereabouts of ANC insurgent group's locations (freedom fighters from the eyes of the ANC and most black peeps), because as you can guess, she was the wife of one of the top-ANC leaders of the country, and her political activism made BOSS believe she was culpable and in-the-know of the whereabouts of ANC bombers who were frequently terrorizing schools, public buildings, police stations, in order to pressure the NP regime to end Apartheid.
"Police raids on her home were as often as four times a day. She was banned from leaving her home at night and was later restricted from leaving her neighborhood in the Soweto Township of Johannesburg." The more the ANC splinter cells would firebomb public locations, the harder she became a target for police and BOSS, to try and find the locations of ANC operatives and just plain low level non-violent members. All of this would culminate in BOSS just basically throwing her in solitary confinement in 1969. The irony in this was that she wasn't "innocent". She really was "guilty" of being a waylay of messages between ANC splinter cell bomber groups targeting civilian structure - and of course depending on the race and politcs of who you speak to, this made the treatment against her valid or not.
WINNIE AND HER COMMENTS ON NECKLACING: (Yes, the RSA version of necklacing)
It's important to understand why the whole black population didn't just arise overnight, all the way back in 1950, and slaughter the whole white population of SA like Haiti. If you read only modern school curriculum history books, then some unflattering details about the ANC history will be left out. You see while a large majority of the black population did support the overthrow of the Apartheid government, there was intense disagreements regarding what should follow, all the way as far back as the 1950s.
You see, the most powerful black group was the ANC (The African-National-Congress), BUT they were a communist faction, and more significantly, they were a communist faction supported by Cuba and the Soviet Union. As such, the most significant part of South African history which foreigners do NOT know, is that the ANC was not the ONLY group to oppose Apartheid, or acted as a political activist organization.
And that is because of intense bitter political rivalries between these various factions evolved as to what political, economic and racial policy aught to succeed the white government. The ANC was opposed by many weaker factions for different reasons. Some wanted South Africa to carved up as originally intended all the ways back in 1910, where each racial group had their own homeland, before the NP regime relegated this ideal into forcing black peeps into suboptimal reserves instead of equally land divided by racial distribution.
Other factions were right-wing, capitalists or just really fricking hated and feared communism. It might surprise many fools to know that not everybody in the various ethnicities of black peeps in SA got along politically, and didn't all one day wake up, and agree that communism was the optimal way forward, and got along singing and dancing like hippies in a unified black front against the evil white government
Instead the reality was far more brutal, as disagreement led to violence akin to gang warfare and inter- and intra-faction assassination, many non-communists would enact violence against ANC members, and the ANC would respond in kind.
The closest point of reference for you guys who are not South African to understand, is the French resistance against the 3rd Reich during WW2. If you read media portraying the accounts of the valiant resistance members by the French themselves, then you would come away with a false impression that the French resistance actually mattered in any great deal for the duration of the war. The reality was far more disappointing. Even taking in partisan harassment of Wehrmacht supply and troops into account, the french resistance vastly underperformed, when compared to places like the Balkans, where the proto-Yugoslav partisans basically threw out the Wehrmacht before the Soviets even arrived, or Greece or the entire Eastern Europe.
This wasn't a lack of will for the French, but massive political disunity between french partisans. Great factionalism divided french efforts, which made British supplies airdropped into Frans always fought over, like dogs over scraps. There were a myriad of political parties bickering on what the french regime aught to look like once the Nazis had been deposed, and once again the singular largest partisan faction, were the communists, even though they didn't hold a majority on numbers, and were pretty much despised by all the other competing factions.
It took until the Western allies opening a Western Front with conventional armies, and the liberation of France to actually end this fractionalism, after which Eisenhower and De Gaulle ruthlessly stamped out all communist splinter cells lol
A similar factionalism plagued all anti-Apartheid groups in SA. Both for peaceful activist groups, and terrorism and bombing groups. Eventually the ANC would get an upper hand slowly as the decades progressed, again because they had the Soviets as benefactors, and their opposition had nothing, except arms and armaments traded by similarly minded right-wing or anti-communist groups over the borders of Mozambique and Namibia.
As the ANC gradually became the overwhelming dominant group, many anti-communist black groups would even go so far as to work FOR the Apartheid regime, in the sense that they would rat out ANC members, or forewarn the police of impending bombs on hospitals, schools or train-stations. And of course sometimes there were many black peeps who had loyalty to their white employers, even as they were treated as 2nd class citizens, whom would also forewarn the national police (whom were all white and acted in suppression passively) against bombing attacks or ambushes.
Through its dominancy, the ANC splinter cells would employ brutality to destroy its ideological enemies, and warm off any black citizens from working with the white authorities. One of the most famous of these torture-execution methods, was Necklacing
Even as far back as 1986, Winnie Mandela would earn controversy amongst the various black communities in South Africa. The ANC splinter groups would seldom officially acknowledge that they had done a hit on a "race-traitor" or opponent to communism. People found dead through the brutality of necklacing were often speculated that they were informers to Police, but it was kept deliberate vague to instill fear sometimes.
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Necklacing is a form of violent punishment and execution that was used in South Africa during the apartheid era. It involved forcing a rubber tire, filled with petrol, around a victim's chest and arms, and setting it on fire. This practice was used as a method of punishment or to instill fear in the community. It is important to note that necklacing is a deeply disturbing and violent act that caused immense suffering and loss of life.
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Well back in 1986 Winnie would get a reputation for a thirst for brutality when in "her defiant rhetoric caused alarm around the world as she appeared to endorse violent methods to achieve freedom for black South Africans."
“We have no guns — we have only stones, boxes of matches and petrol,” she said at a rally in Soweto. “Together, hand in hand, with our boxes of matches and our necklaces, we shall liberate this country.”
https://www.voanews.com/a/south-africa-winnie-madikizela-mandela-died/4327731.html
This caused great upset by many of the peaceful factions within ANC and other polical black activists whom campaigned to end Apartheid peacefully and legally. Because her retorhic was so extreme that she even advocated violence and torture against BLACK people she deemed to stand in the way of liberation of black peeps in South Africa. She would alienate a lot of peeps for these comments, as she unambiguously endorsing necklacing against those who opposed the ANC, even if they themselves were Anti-Apartheid activists, as necklacing was seen at the time as a primary weapon of fear of ANC extremists.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/necklacing
It's important to understand that Necklacing was immediately controversial even the moment it was utilized by ANC extremists, even by black peeps, EVEN by ANC members themselves - including Nelson Mandela. Both for the brutality of the act itself, and as a method to instill fear into opponents and race-traitors. Additionally necklacing would ironically never ever be used against whites, either captured members of the Apartheid police force, or the SADF (South African Defense Force).
This one of the major critiques of necklacing was that, if we don't even employ such cruelty against whites who oppress us, then why do black peeps undergo such cruelty against one another, in the supposed name of black liberation??
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In June 1986, a South-African woman was burned to death on television. Her name was Maki Skosana, and the world watched in horror as anti-apartheid activists wrapped her up in a car tire, doused her with gasoline, and set her on fire. For most of the world, her screams of agony were their first experience with the public execution South Africans called “necklacing.”
It's a part of South African history we usually don't talk about. This was the weapon of the men and women who fought against apartheid in South Africa; the people who rose up in arms with Nelson Mandela to turn their country into a place where they would be treated as equals.
They were fighting for a good cause and so history can gloss over some of the dirty details. Without guns and weapons to match the strength of the state, they used what they had to send their enemies a message — no matter how horrible it was.
Necklacing was a fate reserved for traitors. Few, if any, white men died with a car tire around necks. Instead, it would be members of the black community, usually ones who swore they were part of the fight for freedom but who had lost the trust of their friends.
Maki Skosana‘s death was the first to be filmed by a news crew. Her neighbors had become convinced that she was involved in an explosion that killed a group of young activists. They grabbed her while she was mourning at a funeral for the dead. While the cameras watched, they burned her alive, smashed her skull in with a massive rock, and even sexually penetrated her dead body with broken shards of glass.
But Skosana wasn't the first to be burned alive. The first necklacing victim was a politician named Tamsanga Kinikini, who had refused to resign after accusations of corruption.
Anti-apartheid activists had already been burning people alive for years. They gave them what they called “Kentuckies” — meaning that they left them looking like something off the menu at Kentucky Fried Chicken.
“It works,” one young man told a reporter when he was challenged to justify burning a man alive. “After this, you won't find too many people spying for the police.”
Nelson Mandela's party, the African National Congress, officially opposed burning people alive. [HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAH}
Desmond Tutu, in particular, was passionate about it. A few days before Maki Skosana was burned alive, he physically fought off a whole mob to keep them from doing the same thing to another informant. These killings made him so sick that he almost gave up on the movement.
“If you do this kind of thing, I will find it difficult to speak for the cause of liberation,” Rev. Tutu said after the video of Skosana hit the airwaves. “If the violence continues, I will pack my bags, collect my family and leave this beautiful country that I love so passionately and so deeply.”
The rest of the African National Congress, though, didn't share his dedication. Other than making a few comments for the record, they didn't do much to stop it. Behind closed doors, they saw necklacing informants as a justifiable evil in a great fight for good.
Though the A.N.C. spoke out against it on paper, Nelson Mandela's wife, Winnie Mandela, publically and openly cheered the mobs on. As far as she was concerned, necklacing wasn't just a justifiable evil. It was the weapon that would win South Africa's freedom.
“We have no guns – we have only stone, boxes of matches and petrol,” she once told a crowd of cheering followers. “Together, hand-in-hand, with our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country.”
Her words made the A.N.C. nervous. They were willing to look the other way and let this happen, but they had an international PR war to win. Winnie was putting that in jeopardy.
Hundreds died this way with tires around their necks, fire searing their skin, and the smoke of burning tar choking their lungs. During the worst years, between 1984 and 1987, anti-apartheid activists burned 672 people alive, half of them through necklacing.
It took a psychological toll. American photographer Kevin Carter, who had taken one of the first pictures of a live necklacing, ended up blaming himself for what was happening.
That same year, South Africa held its first equal and open elections. The fight to end apartheid was finally over. However, even though the enemy was gone, the brutality of the fight didn't go away.
Necklacing lived on as a way of taking out male feminists and thieves. In 2015, a group of five teenage boys was necklaced for getting in a bar fight. In 2018, a pair of men were killed for a suspected theft.
And those are just a few examples. Today, five percent of the murders in South Africa are the result of vigilante justice, often committed through necklacing.
The justification they use today is a chilling echo of what they said in the 1980s. “It does reduce crime,” one man told a reporter after burning a suspected robber alive. “People are scared because they know the community will rise against them.”
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It is also important to note that there was no surefire way to know that the accused ever were police-informers or traitors, and that mob-justice prevailed randomly. Many of the critics of necklacing went so far as to state that necklacing was a mob weapon utilized to get rid of people disliked by someone, rather than people actually accused of a crime.
WINNIE'S BODYGUARD AND RUMOURS OF MURDER:
In 1997, her bodyguard from the 1980s, Jerry Richardson, told South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Committee that he beat, tortured and killed people whenever she told him to. His boss sometimes participated in the beatings, Richardson said. Madikizela-Mandela denied the murder allegations, but later apologized to the families of two of the victims. She was convicted and sentenced to six years in prison for two of the deaths, but the sentence was reduced to a fine on appeal.
https://southafrica.co.za/winnie-mandela-controversial.html
Winnie was cleared of the murder, however she received a five year prison sentence for four counts of kidnapping and one year for being an accessory to assault. This was eventually reduced to a two year suspended sentence and a R15 000 fine. The trial and controversy surrounding Winnie Mandela took its toll on her marriage.
Many peeps believed she utilized her power and position within the ANC to murder a 14 year old boy way back in the late 1980s.
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After Winnie Mandela was released from her exile in Brandfort she was allowed to go back home in 1986. When she returned she found that her neighbourhood had become more dangerous with the youth running riots and the government imposing a state of emergency. In an effort to help those caught up in the chaos, Winnie established the Mandela United Football Club (MUFC) for the disenfranchised youth.
Sadly, this group is most remembered for their vigilante activities.
The most well known of these was the story of Stompie Seipei. In 1988 Stompie was a 14 year old activist who was in the company of the MUFC when he disappeared one day. His body was later found on the outskirts of Soweto. He had been badly beaten and eventually killed with gardening shears.
Winnie was surrounded with controversy due to her links with the Mandela United Football Club (MUFC) and their activities. It seems as though years of harassment, emotional trauma and the experiences of prison and banishment had hardened Winnie and she came to be seen as a kind of soldier on the ground.
It was rumored that her approach was becoming more violent and military driven. In one of her famous speeches, Winnie declared, “together, hand in hand, with our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country.
” This has been said to be in reference to the practice of ‘necklacing', a torture and execution method of forcing a tyre over someone's chest and setting it alight. It is said that Winnie endorsed the practice in her speech and was linked to many necklacing incidents.
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https://www.sahistory.org.za/people/winnie-madikizela-mandela
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Each one a titan to the liberation struggle, Winnie and Nelson's life after his release was a blur of travel, speeches and media obligations.[xxxi] Despite certain members of the ANC having grown increasingly frustrated with Winnie's militancy and candour, Nelson elected to appoint her to the ANC's head of Social Welfare in September. The decision was a controversial one but given her good relationship with the country's youth (and de facto future voters), it was ultimately accepted by the dissenting voices within the party.
During this time, Winnie and her accessories in the MUFC were also standing trial for Stompie's murder. Winnie was cleared of the murder itself but sentenced to five years in prison on four counts of kidnapping and one year as an accessory to assault. In the event she was granted leave to appeal and her bail was extended, with the courts eventually ordering her to serve a two year suspended sentence and pay a fine of R15 000. However, the allegations, the trial and the penchant for controversy were all taking their toll on the Mandelas, and the image of the happy couple was fading fast.
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For the rest of her life she would have the controversy of murdering (allegedly ) a 14 year old child in the twilight years of Apartheid just because she suspected he was a spy, this was a demonstration of how ruthless she had become in her later years, and made her a controversial figure not just for whites. It was also the Stompie case which many state was the reason Mandela divorced her, as she was fast becoming a flaming hot burden and hot-potato.
At this same time she was also very unapologetic of her past Necklacing commentary and even kept repeating them - which made her unpopular with the rest of the AND, whom wanted to sweep the Necklacing controversies under the rug, not celebrate them.
The TRC is the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
WINNIE SENTENCED TO PRISON FOR FRAUD:
"Winnie Mandela also came under criticism for expensive tastes, and was further besmirched by allegations of corruption, fraud and theft. She was expelled from her husband's cabinet in 1995."
https://www.voanews.com/a/south-africa-winnie-madikizela-mandela-died/4327731.html
In 2003, she was sentenced to four years in prison on dozens of counts of theft and bank fraud. A judge ruled that she profited from loans to poor people who could not get them without a letter from her.
https://www.sahistory.org.za/people/winnie-madikizela-mandela
"n her personal affairs, the media reported numerous financial irregularities involving Winnie's name, including a R1 million scandal also involving the African National Congress (ANC) Women's League.[xxxv]"
https://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/04/25/mandela.sentencing/
So she was just as generically corrupt as all of the stooges around her
A lot of mayos would rejoice at this, because Winnie had supported the banishment of White farmers in Zimbabwe, and the confiscation of their lands by War Veterans not paid by Mugabe's regime, and even went so far as to fricking travel to Zimbabwe to show her support.
WINNIE'S CONTROVERSIAL 2010 INTERVIEW:
https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/how-nelson-mandela-betrayed-us-says-exwife-winnie-6734116.html
In a 2010 interview with the British Evening Standard newspaper, she criticized former archbishop Desmond Tutu and her former husband. She lambasted Nelson Mandela for accepting the Nobel Peace Prize with former South African president F.W. de Klerk, the white leader who negotiated with Mandela to end apartheid. She basically said that Mandela wasn't hard enough on the mayos and should have striven for a course revenge instead of reconciliation - and her opinions were shared by many peeps.
Of course what did not endear her to the majority of black peeps, especially generic apolitical black boomers whom were very worshipful of Mandela for their new freedoms, was when in the interview, she attacked her ex-husband, claiming that he had "let blacks down".
"Do you think de Klerk released (Nelson Mandela) from the goodness of his heart? He had to," she said at the time. "The times dictated it, the world had changed, and our struggle was not a flash in the pan, it was bloody to say the least and we had given rivers of blood. I had kept it alive with every means at my disposal."
She also retracted any apology she gave: "I am not sorry. I will never be sorry. I would do everything I did again if I had to. Everything."
She referred to Archbishop Desmond Tutu, in his capacity as the head of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, as a "cretin" This was because ArchBishop Desmond Tutu raked her balls over the fire over her involvement with her soccer club's murder of the 14-year old boy Stompie evidently she was still assblasted about Tutu forcing an apology out of her towards the family of the victim
Anyway the article made controvesial news headlines, with black hardliners backing her statement, but ANC-moderates and Mandela-loyalists calling her a douchebag.
It got so bad that, on 14 March 2010, a "statement was issued on Madikizela-Mandela's behalf claiming that the interview was a fabrication."
https://www.deccanherald.com/entertainment/nadira-naipaul-liar-fraud-winnie-2478913
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA
THE USUAL SUSPECTS CELEBRATE WINNIE:
You will notice that it's not regular ANC members even who mourned the hardest when Winnie died of age. Many EFF members (the Julius Malema party) went country wide on a political show of her death. And the comments on youtube videos showcase the type of people who adored Winnie even through her controversies.
Here follows the take of a group
Take a guess what they make of her women moments.
CONCLUSION:
https://www.voanews.com/a/south-africa-winnie-madikizela-mandela-died/4327731.html
Anyways she was a definite political force during Apartheid struggles for black peeps, but post Democratization her presence and inflammatory words left a bad taste within people's mouths, and surprisingly not just those of white peeps, but primarily those of black people, who often felt the hard hand of opposition against an ANC which utilized brutality alongside peaceful means to oppose Apartheid, but in doing so, alienated a lot of black peeps whom had long memories.
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I made it about 33% through this one king you're super prolific today I need to catch up on my next bathroom break.
Chris Rock has a bit about Mandella, that he could survive 30 years of torture in a 100 degree South African prison cell, but could only stand like 6 months with his b-word wife after he got released before he divorced her. Funny stuff.
Edit : here's the clip of the joke.
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Literally came here to post this bit. It's funny but still wtf. What was going on that a man who tolerated 27 years in prison said frick no to his wife at risk to his reputation?
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Spend five minutes around a black woman and all will be revealed
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im still confused
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best marsey
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Great effortpost as always . It has been said before but I have learned so much about history just from reading these silly effortposts which give a more well rounded view of Safrica history I probably would not know if it was not because of your posts
By the way, have you ever thought of doing a chapter on any notable south african architecture? ever since I saw a video of Ponte City building in Johannesburg I have been enamoured with the tower and how it became a vertical slum after the fall of apartheid
It is the tallest residential building in all of sub saharan africa and whenever I watch documentaries (last one was about the epidemic of asssasins-for-hire in south africa named 'Inkais') about it it always sticks like a sore thumb even if it was refurbished to accomodate residents and is not longer a crime ridden skyscraper
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The Tower of Crime as it's known is super famous, ill put it on the list
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they uncovered a huge amount of corpses there
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upmarsey strag
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Holy shit, they made the panopticon---and made it for residents?? Not prisoners?!
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It is said that when they built Ponte City , the thinking behind the tower is that the apartments that faced the city where for the rich white families while supposedly the inner ones were for the black servants , which would have made sense if the desired effect was to make it an unenjoyable experience, although this probably did not last long as the area surrounding the tower became pretty insecure with many riots ocurring in the area.
Eventually, after the fall of apartheid (1994), the area (Berea, Johannesburg) became surrounded by slums , residents eventually left the area for other suburbs, many illegal residents moved in the tower and gangs took control of it, acting as landlords for the residents in it, until somewhere around 2008, where the owners started to refurbish the building and try to turn it in the vertical utopia it was envisioned to become
To adress your point, there were actually plans to turn Ponte City into an actual prison, after a U.S. architect came to the city and saw the potential it had after vising many vacant lots and vacant buildings (probably based off the panopticon model), here is an excerpts of a newspaper article i found in skyscrapercity forum: [1]
"Silver's proposal (The U.S. architect) is to install decks in the central shaft - one every four floors - and to remove part of the outer wall over each deck to create exercise spaces big enough for indoor soccer or basketball . The apartments in the outer walls would be easily converted into cells - each with its own barred picture window. The prisoners would have plenty of time to enjoy the spectacular view because, he says, escape from the world's tallest prison would be all but impossible."
it is worth nothing that Hillsbrow and Berea are one of the metropolitan areas with the highest rate of crime in all of South Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa
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[1] https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/ponte-city-apartments-apartment-or-prison.379682/
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It's modeled exactly after the panopticon concept which was for prisons from omg some French guy from the 1700s (? It's been awhile). The irony, after they spent tens of millions on it with presumably no one mentioning it, "stupends" me.
Many such cases for Projects. Who would've known that when you lump society's poorest, dumbest, laziest, and most violent together at near $0 per month you get shitholes. The US also dabbled in this during the 80s and probably 70s, until they bulldozed them and built "mixed income" section 8 / subsidized houses.
jewish lives matter
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Hey sexy, why are you posting so quickly? 😊 You almost forgot to include
jewish lives matter
in your comment 😈. Slowww down and remember to postjewish lives matter
next time 😉 if that doesn't make sense stop by sometime and we can talk about it for a while 🥵Jump in the discussion.
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Proof that prison time works!
Most peaceful “freedom fighters”
we need a marsey of a Kaffer burning with a tire around his neck
Seriously now, media loves fetishizing First Lady kweens, Michelle Obama is shilled a lot as well. Personally I was never a fan of politically active First Ladies, based and trad Marcela Temer (wife of former now octogenarian vampire president Michel Temer) did the right thing with “Bela, recatada e do lar”.
!macacos
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What does this translate to?
She cute tho
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“Beautiful, modest and from the home”
The “do lar” translates as she is a domestic person, a housewife.
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If you read the post, you'd know that no crakkkas were ever necklaced. Ironically, the ANC reserved their cruelest punishment for blacks
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They did it on an episode of The Americans
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fun fact: winnie the pooh was named after her
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source?
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here
https://rdrama.net/post/258513/marseyflagsouthafrica-winnie-mandela-the-controversial-exwife/6209424#context
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You bozo I clicked fully expecting 😭😭😭 a link
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Not true lol. Winnie the Pooh is so old he's public domain now.
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One of your best posts yet, OP!
I always knew Winnie was based, but I didn't know she was THAT based. I wonder many guys she banged while that cuck Nelson was in the slammer?
Seriously, Desmond Tutu seems like he was a truly decent human.
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Desmond Tutu railed against ANC corruption as early as 1997, he was actually one of the truly principled men in SA, he was the ultimate anti-wingcuck
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I remember growing up we solved the commie problem but Northern Ireland and South Africa people were blowing each other up every week.
I didn't get wtf was going on because it was mostly blacks killing blacks and I wasn't old enough to have gone to college and shit.
Anyway my big question for you Kaamrev is, do you have any solution for us? Are we doomed to this? Is this all that humanity is about?
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Dont be wingcucks
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But it's just so darn fun!
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Happy cake day!
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Is this written by AI? Last sentence sounds like a chat GPT disclaimer.
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I copied that paragraph from the article sorry
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Thank God for journos letting me know that being set on fire is pretty bad
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I'm pretty open about my plagiarism - i dont write to make my name famous about my supposed great writing ability, I write and post and paste what words tell the story of drama I believe to be pertinent and told in a manner much superior than that I ever could.
I freely admit I plagiarize as much as 60-70% of every single word I type, and try to source with quotes and stuff, but it's exhausting, and I dont treat this longpost autism as a job, it's supposed to be fun.
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Nothing wrong with copy pasting on a drama effort post, I just wanted to wish for total journo death
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Reading these just makes me think apartheid was better than the alternative they went down.
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It was better - for us
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I remember some overlanders or Vice talking to an old african guy near Congo and him saying he missed European rule because people had jobs and there was stability.
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Whenever there's any news around the world, you can always count on saffrica to be more r-slurred, how fricked do you have to be to hate nelson mandela and think his fricking ex-wife was better
Also i genuinely had no idea that necklacing was almost exclusive to black alleged collaborators thats crazy
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Frick winnie may she rot in heck.
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Black people trying to not name things after chicken or watermelon challenge (impossible)
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kinda racist to post this on donkey kong april
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Snapshots:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/4/3/who-was-south-africas-winnie-mandela:
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/02/winnie-mandela-wife-nelson-mandela-dies/477898002/:
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https://www.voanews.com/a/south-africa-winnie-madikizela-mandela-died/4327731.html:
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https://allthatsinteresting.com/necklacing:
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https://southafrica.co.za/winnie-mandela-controversial.html:
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https://www.sahistory.org.za/people/winnie-madikizela-mandela:
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https://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/04/25/mandela.sentencing/:
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/7403504/Winnie-Mandela-accuses-Nelson-of-letting-down-South-Africas-blacks.html:
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https://www.deccanherald.com/entertainment/nadira-naipaul-liar-fraud-winnie-2478913:
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Yo yo wait wait fam hol up
Nelson Mandela's middle name was Madnibba
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kaamy, I enjoyed this post.
I've got a question, though. Obviously this necklacing thing is a really brutal way to murder someone. And we've heard about how the apartheid regime was also brutal. But, realistically, was anything they did on the level of necklacing? I mean I know they'd use the official state apparatus to smash any opposition, but I dunno, I think I'd rather just be shot in the head then necklaced.
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Oh yeah the apartheid government would straight up torture black peeps if they suspected that they were ANC members bombers
One of their best torture methods by the police (not just BOSS, but regular police) if they caught one conspirator and they were desperate to get information out of them from, and locate the rest of the anc splinter cell, was to use the Wet Prison Cell method
What they would do is hose down the entirety of a prison cell from the ceiling to the floor, and any beds or seats, so that literally the entire surface inside is wet. The best cells were those which could be closed airtight and has at least one wall connected to the outside, even best was a shed in the wilderness
They would employ this method during winter ❄️ or autumn 🍁
Now you're probably wondering how in the actual frick is this in any way comparable to torture
The way it worked was that they would throw in the unsuspecting ANC terrorist/freedom-fighter at about 8 PM at only free then poor fricker 12 hours later at about 8am.
Because south Africa is mostly a semi dessert environment, most people don't dress in heavy clothes, even in winter, and our buildings and most walls are not constructed as they are in snowy countries like Europe, sealed from the outside cold, they are more porous 🧽
The range of temperature can also very rapidly decrease from mid winter falling as much as 30 degrees celcious by night
The Wet interior of the office the prison cell acts like a magnet 🧲 to the cold outside, and even through the walls
That night would be filled with excruciating discomfort and frost bite burns, and best of all it meant no permanent damage, so the basic situation could be repeated nights after nights
I'm told by my father most people broke after just one night, and even the toughest confessed after the 3rd night.
After one night, when the police brought the prisoner to his cell, and made him watch them hosing the inside of his cell in preparation for another night, the prisoner would usually break down in tears and confessed whatever the interrogator asked.
Sometimes when a group of prisoners were caught, just one guy had to be tortured in this way for one night, and then deliberately released among the general population of prisoners or his buddies, and the mere THREAT of the Wet Prison Cell was enough to cow the whole squad
The thickness of your clothes didn't matter because you would absorb the wetness from the prison walls, and be wet and cold the entire night
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Have you owned the libs yet?
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not reading that
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