"Trump isn't a fascist. He's just an old man inflicting his narcissistic delusional consensus reality on the entire nation, backed by white supremacist militias which he has already used to attempt to overturn an election."
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@Impassionata asked me to handle @carpathianflorist 's cowardly request to define "tds," and while at first I was annoyed that Impassionata punted to me, the task has been growing in my mind.
There is this problem with predictive models: if you modeled Trump as an authoritarian dictator type from day one, you were carrying certain preconceptions which may or may not predict Trump's behavior on any given day. It became fashionable, in this postmodern way, to talk about "two movies on one screen." It became fashionable to view Trumpian 'fascist vibes' as an affectation and not an indication. After all, Trump didn't actually attempt to lock Hillary Clinton up.
This notion of 'kayfabe' made politics virtual in a way that would have stunned Baudrillard. Trump, it could be said, was only LARPing fascism, but (so went the theory of the people who denied the validity of the fascist indicators) this was only an elaborate ruse by which to draw leftists into overreacting to the fascist vibes and further discrediting them and empowering Trump.
The net effect was the term "Trump Derangement Syndrome," borrowing from "Bush Derangement Syndrome" which was a traumatic response to the machinery of war being leveraged in post-9/11 America. A large number of people described Bush as a fascist, and this was simply not true.
But it is true that the latent fascism of the United States accelerated under Bush. It is true that surveillance became normalized and the police state became deeply established.
I think much harm has been done by a misreading of Umberto Eco's ur-fascism. Seeking a simplistic definition of fascism and seeking to understand leftists in their own words, would-be commentariat, the chatterati, descended on Eco's article and misunderstood it.
It's also worth noting Jacques Ellul's assertion of "The Victory of Hitler," that regardless of the demise of Nazi Germany, there was no undoing the power of the military-industrial complex, that it could be tethered to a racist political movement at any point. This is the 'ur-fascism' lurking in the background of politics since 1945.
So there's a difference between the latent tendencies towards fascism, the introduction of the "pledge of allegiance" to classrooms, and the development of an actual racist violent movement.
It's more or less indisputable that Eco's ur-fascism exists in American politics. The question is whether or not a movement is active in its pursuit of power, a racist movement, a violent movement, a movement around a strongman.
Which is all to say that there is precedent for "Trump Derangement Syndrome" to describe an overreaction, a label for leftists who are 'taking the bait.'
But this is about communication of the danger. There were many, many points before Hitler's complete control of the police state. The historian says: this movement, Trumpism, bears many of the markers (but not all) of other movements with authoritarian demagogues. It's reasonable to expect that this is a danger to the continued stability of the United States, a danger to democracy, a risk of a purge of undesirables.
Indeed, the actual fact of the matter is that the child separation occurring in immigration processing centers was a deliberate cruelty (and that any separations which occurred under Obama were not inflicted as a regular punishment but out of concern for child trafficking; a distinction with a difference.) This cruelty of Stephen Miller was one of a large number of events which occurred which could not reasonably be said to be 'kayfabe.'
So there is all of this smoke, and there are all of these people who habitually engaged in denialism about that smoke. "That's not smoke, it's just kayfabe." "That's not smoke, it's just a LARP."
And prior to January 6th, perhaps there was limited evidence that Trump would actually engage dictator mode. But this refusal to accept the results of an election is the act of a tyrant. It's the act of a tyrant who is attached to a white supremacist movement which glorifies violence.
It's a fire.
So I ask you the question: who has been deranged by Trump? The people who reacted reasonably to the presence of a fire and called it a fire, even though the denialists called them deranged in their urgent reaction to the presence of a real threat?
Or the people who engaged in denialism about the fact of that fire?
Again, this is simply a matter of fact: Trump is a tyrant, a dictator, an authoritarian leader who does not care about the truth, who resorts to violence, who makes up lies about immigrants to demonize them and justify their mistreatment.
Anyone who can't accept that these people, if given power again, might very well commit genocide, has Trump Derangement Syndrome: Trump distorts their ability to see reality plainly. Trump becomes a figure who they have habitually defended and this deforms their understanding of the reality of these social forms.
Trump is a national disaster.
If you are late to this understanding, and can only now admit to the fact of the fire that the left has been warning about for the better part of a decade, pull the fire alarm. The best time to pull the fire alarm is as soon as you see the smoke. The second best time is now.
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Fascism is when children are taught to recite the national anthem.
I think Trump would be the ideal dictator, because if he's old, our Cheeseburger overlord will die very soon. Stress + Age will get to them. I dislike Kamala because she has a low chance of dying in office due to her relative health. Most American presidencies are imperial in nature due to the modern era. Very little has been up to the American people since 1946. Democracy has become something to manage for elites, not something to be a touchstone or guidepost for. Democracy is measured worldwide today with how compliant your country is with the standards fit to be printed in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, etc. Kamala will, if she is not already, just be another authority figure for socialists to suck on their feet, provided she says trans rights before they censor the internet more.
Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.
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The pledge of allegiance was because America is a nation of immigrants, and you guys had to create a national identity on the fly. So now "maybe your grandparents are Italian or German or Polish or Irish or whatever, but now you're all Americans" and pledging allegiance to the flag is how kids are conditioned to think of themselves as all citizens of the same country, despite their ethnic origins.
Yeah, it's odd from a non-American perspective, but it's understandable.
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Yeah I feel like leftists universally equate nationalism with racism, which makes sense because most leftist are eurocucks, even if they were born in America.
Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.
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Nationalism and jingoism are bedfellows. There is a quiet patriotism on the left, it's just quieter.
and therefore wiser.
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That doesn't make any sense.
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But a higher chance of being killed by the Neighbourhood Watch Alliance for having a very annoying laugh
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@Impassionata I'm right.
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It doesn't seem strange and cult-y to have children reciting something in a ritual fashion every day?
The person who answers the most important phone in the world should be about to die? Your reasoning here is so bad it's clearly trolling.
There is a difference between a presidency having imperial qualities and that president being a tyrant with his own de facto militia.
At the root of all of these people !followers is nihilism. @Impassionata has been saying this for years. It's really true; underneath it all, these people are nihilists. They don't believe that the American people have any power. This stems from their denialism of the meaning of the fascist vibes. Thank you for being a willing demonstration, patient 203.
The American People decide things all of the time. Obama's health care reform was badly needed if imperfect. Things can change, but they can't change if you deny your power to change.
Trump, and Trump support, became an exercise in denying the disastrous impact of Trump on our society. The fact is that the American People have power: if the American people really want to they can and in fact did put a person like Trump in the presidency.
The difficulty comes in accepting that this was a mistake, or at least, you have this in common with the person who throws a brick at a glass window for any sort of political rage: you now have a broken window and a reputation problem.
Yes, this is the 90s mantra of neoliberalism, that democracy makes better economies and more trade is good. This is a "capitalism is good" mindset that I would expect you to appreciate.
Autocracies are poorly run. Only stupid people think a strongman will improve a society. But there are a lot of stupid people, and Trump did have an escalator.
These are weird stupid brainworms. Kamala will govern as a center-right Democrat, an agent of the military-industrial complex.
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You do something every day when you want someone to learn something. Are you potty training a dog, have them practice pooping outside every day till they get it. Same with people, people learn through repetition, and how intelligent they are determines how introspective they get. Intelligent people, or rather sentient people can choose how they feel about something while doing it. Children are technically sentient in some way, but they should be given a set of values to operate on till they have the reasoning abilities to determine what they want. So yes, our kids should be given something to love, cherish and preserve: their country.
You're just not being sincere. Trump has no potential to be a dictator, because you know, he's almost 80. Label's on the tin, he old. You just dislike old people, I think they're fine. I think Trump receiving the best medical care in the world can get him through 4 years of democratic governance. It won't get him through a 40 year Trumpreich no matter how good is health is. Kamala on the other hand could be Mugabe.
I have yet to see the Trump Freikorps marching through the street. No red helmets, only hats. The only one who has a military force at his command is Joe Biden. Since he's not lucid, that defaults to Harris. I think if Harris was given the opportunity she would coup the government.
This is interesting when juxtaposed to this you said thereafter:
So Americans are voting for a center-right democrat that is functionally an extension of the military industrial complex? Something tells me this is not accurate or you know, how anyone actually thinks.
Capitalism is eh, free markets are better. When markets and market regulators are captured by large corporations in an incestuous relationship, capitalism looks gross, unappealing. But the only thing worse than "late-stage" capitalism is legitimate socialism. Autocracies, like any system can be poorly run. There are some historically well oiled autocracies that were wealthy, efficient and wonderful to live in relative to the average person's experience. Singapore comes to mind for something current, dial it back a few decades and you have Taiwan, South Korea, Chile. Go back even further, like really far, and you're looking at pre-WWII Italy, along with pre-war Germany, and even further we have Venice, Florence, Carthage and such. Autocracy by itself isn't evil, but I suspect that the reason democracy is better than autocracy is that there is a higher likelihood of an individual authority figure making a mistake as opposed to the collection of stakeholders in say, a national referendum.
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