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https://www.npr.org/2024/10/30/g-s1-31042/elon-musk-kamala-harris-facebook (13)

That's different than OP's statement about television commercials. (-6)

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You almost had it. They need centrists. Moving away from the center is what's destroyed their party. Move away from corporations yes, centrists no. (14)

Nah we don't need ratchet effect nonsense. If they want their conservatism they can have it, I won't be complicit in "centrist" nonsense. You can't cater to "centrists" without catering to corporations. Capitalistic plutocrat lovers can screech about corporatism all they want, its their system in action. Playing their game isn't gonna take the money out of politics, it's gonna blow the door off the hinges allowing them in (see Elon musk) (-3)

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I think there is a significant underestimation of Biden's arming Israel as a HUGE factor. His hug of Netanyahu made me shudder. Sometimes the best way to support a country isn't to cheer and arm them into a devastating war. (btw I am not Jewish, but my father is. I was raised Catholic and am not at all religious, given how awful that religion is). I have never been a supporter of Israel's behavior toward Palestinians and I think blind support for Israel was a massive (and is a massive) error. Muslims voted (leopards eat my face!) for Trump or stayed home. Young people likely as well. I support the International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Netanyahu. I DO NOT support Hamas either. This is a war of evil people versus peace-loving people on both sides. We mistake supporting the evil war-loving people for supporting Israel. Biden made a huge mistake. (-6)

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The Republicans spent 4 decades building a (dis)information infrastructure that they finely tuned over the years. They have a tremendous advantage in their ability to spread their selected narrative across multiple sources, and they have essentially perfected the recipe for making low information voters feel angry and afraid. (These narratives are often false - Kamala and Joe had no more to do with inflation than Trump did, and immigrants are less violent than citizens and don't actually eat pets). These tactics work very well against an incumbent, when it's easy to blame them (fairly or not) for everything that makes low information voters anxious and mad. Their story of high prices, immigrant crime waves, and trans people grooming your kids was shown to have penetrated deeply and influenced voting. Some of these NYT panelists back that up. The democrats need to learn to use propaganda better and chip away at the disinformation disadvantage. Being unwilling to lie and alway... (0)

But what details about high prices, crime, out of control illegal immigration, and exposing children to issues of sexuality and gender are untrue? To me, the Democratic Party was dismissive of people who are concerned about these topics.Not trying to be difficult, but:Inflation and the resulting high prices has been causing a lot of pain. The Democrat answer to it seemed to range from "grocery stores are price gouging" to "inflation is happening everywhere."Petty crime in my city increased a lot over the past 4 years and now has tapered a little bit, but Democrats in my city will tout the fact that crime it is a bit down, but still much higher than it has been in a long time. Democrats act like crime is not an issue.My city has struggled with an influx of migrants who are very visible on street corners (window washers) and social services here have been strained. Democrats tell us that the border is secure. Oh, and Democrats constantly try to blur the line between legal and ill... (1)

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I think Ta nehisi Coates was right in 2017 when he made his argument that bigotry motivated a lot of Americans to vote for Trump.After his win we heard all of this. It even became a meme "Economic anxiety". The pod save America boys who are as dem establishment as you can get--literally worked for Obama, put out a series called the wilderness all about the democratic party's history and what they could learn from the loss in 2016. They arrived at much of the same conclusions people are reheating to serve again to the public.Harris spoke to peoples fears about immigration by spending time highlighting the fact that the Biden administration had been continuing to deport people and offered a border security bill Republicans would love. They voted against it.Harris literally offered tax breaks for the middle class and working class including money to put on the down-payment of a home, money to start a business, and more money for child care and Medicare. She offered to set up a task for... (0)

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They are inundated by misogynists on the right and misandrists on the left. How is it any surprise that young boys would chose to listen to the men telling them that the women berating them for the original sin of being born with a peepee are crazy and that it's ok to be men.Live by idpol, die by idpol. If you want to gain gen Z and A's support in the future, a shift in how the left treats half their population is in order. They've seen how self flagelating us millenials were and refused to join in that shitshow. Honestly i can't blame them, especially with the response from the left after this defeat. Doubling down? Really? It's like the left wants to disapear. (1)

And why do you think that happens? It's because every time you open your phone all you read about is how awful men are. They r*pe, they are violent. Bears are safer to be around ffs. I think the left needs to have some darn accountability before they start blaming Jordan Peterson and Rogan and all the rest. Those are the people that are trying to be positive towards men. Democrats won't even listen to a word those people say and then they denounce them as all sorts of terrible things. My younger brother grew up without a dad. He loves Rogan(as do I). He heard about David Goggins and Jocko Willink on that show. Every day now he's busting his butt trying to be as mentally tough and physically fit as those navy seals ge looks up to. And you know what? They are pretty good dudes overall. I can't tell you how pissed off I get when I hear people saying awful shit about Rogan. That show has had such a positive impact on my brothers life and all democrats want to do is make fun of him for it... (1)